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Penlon's ventilator is approved and being delivered. Dyson's prototype hasn't even been approved. There are also other consortia with ventilators at various stages, but I think demand is not what was once expected. I expect most of them won't get firm purchase orders now.

the whole dyson thing smacked of a political stunt from the start, re-inventing the wheel was just pointless and arrogant, wanting to play the hero. Those who’ve quietly invented simple/open source versions (which can be easily manufactured in developing countries) or repurposed other equipment have been more beneficial to society.
 
Penlon’s ESO2 device becomes first model to get green light from UK’s healthcare regulator
from 15/04/2020
Penlon’s ESO2 device, developed under the codename Project Oyster, will become the first model to get the green light from the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency (MHRA), with an announcement expected as soon as Thursday.
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The government had placed a provisional order for 5,000 of the ESO2 ventilators from the Oxfordshire-based Penlon, which is part of the Ventilator Challenge UK consortium involving manufacturers such as Airbus and Rolls-Royce.
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The order was conditional on MHRA sign-off because, while the ESO2 is a proven ventilator, it had to be tweaked slightly to allow it to be mass-produced.
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Consortium member Airbus has replicated Penlon’s production line at the Advanced Manufacturing Research Facility in north Wales, next to the Broughton site where it makes wings for jet aircraft.
Ventilator Challenge UK has said it could be producing 1,500 ventilators a week by early May, including a separate model, the paraPac designed by Luton-based Smiths Medical.
from 15/04/2020 Coronavirus ventilator wins UK approval in run-up to NHS rollout
 
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Doesn't Cummings have some interest in eugenics, maybe that spilled over into the SAGE decision making?

If he does he has kept pretty quiet about it, assuming we take eugenics to mean using state power to play cattle breeder with humans. It's Toby Young who can't keep his trap shut on whatever his current enthusiasm happens to be.
 
In the BBC version of the Cummings story, signs that the same shitty game that the government were playing before the pandemic is back:

He [A No 10 spokesman] added: "'Public confidence in the media has collapsed during this emergency partly because of ludicrous stories such as this."

 
In the BBC version of the Cummings story, signs that the same shitty game that the government were playing before the pandemic is back:


i was going to post the same thing here, very Trumpish.

tbh the statement preceding that comment in the article didn’t seem that unreasonable, and Cummings portrayal as the liberal’s bogeyman can get a bit hysterical.
 
tbh the statement preceding that comment in the article didn’t seem that unreasonable, and Cummings portrayal as the liberal’s bogeyman can get a bit hysterical.

That aspect can get a bit panto, but there is probably a bigger situation emerging now. Various scientific advisors and others are positioning themselves defensively, trying to prepare to deflect criticism over the slow and botched response away from themselves and towards those they think are to blame. The tories in general probably sense the opportunity to weave in their traditional 'its the bureaucrats fault, need more business people running the show' angle (have already seen some of that directed towards Public Health England). And this can play into the agenda that Cummings had in regards the civil service before the pandemic. Hopefully it will blow up in their face.
 

Has anyone posted this yet, very very worrying.

I'll file it in 'the virus that ate cars' pile of stuff with interesting implications for the future. Given the agenda we were already going to face this century (relating to energy & climate) I would not be surprised if the timing & trajectory of these inevitable radical changes has already been altered by this pandemic, and several aspects of virus-pollution interaction may add to this considerably.
 
It is maddening that the media regurgitates that sort of rubbish without comment, even though anyone who has ever taken part in a meeting - of any kind - knows what the effect of having the boss or their representative present is.

I don't want to agree accidentally with Cummings, but that the media do this is precisely why noone trusts them any more.
that representative was behind protect the economy and if that means some pensioners will die, too bad.
 
If true the admin side of the NHS should have their act together more than this. Why have they not?

I think a large part of the problem - and I say this as someone peripherally involved with NHS - is that the administrative hierarchy's mission has crept (or rather, charged) in the direction of costcutting and change management. Every new health secretary has a big pile of pet plans for the NHS, every new Trust chairman has a big pile of pet plans for his Trust, and the whole thing ends up being an ongoing farrago of Orders From The Top, confirming, countermanding, chopping, changing, and generally making it so that nobody gets to go, "Right. Good, all set, now we can start building up some stability and resilience into this show". Because as soon as they get to that point, some daft twat in a suit has decided that the beds should all face West and appointed a team of project managers to work out how to do it.

The organisation I work for has had its funding frozen for years, because the "change for growth" or whatever bullshit name it had that year plan was "just around the corner", heralding a Brave New World of joined-up care, 24/7 mental health hubs - "oh, will your [counselling] service run in nights?" - and telephone hotlines. Heralding. Not actually creating.

No wonder the first blow the NHS took put it on its knees.
 
Pritti Patel did the press conference today, managed not to fluff any of the numbers and didn't misspeak at all really. Death toll as reported in hospitals now exceeds 20,000 - fairly easy questions as usual.

I notice she is not tall enough to stand at the lectern without an extra step, reminds me of my ex who is also tiny.
 
Do we expect the black line to fall under the blue line for a while after this epidemic has passed (if and when that happens)?

Its quite plausible but I dont have much to say about it until we see quite how low we can get the number of infections (and deaths).

If this were a new influenza strain then I might have more confidence talking about other related things, like how the excess deaths will carry on seasonally for years and how the burden is therefore an ongoing thing. But I barely want to look more than a week in front with this coronavirus pandemic, so I'm very limited in what claims about the future I would make right now. I think I expect at least one twist to the story, but I dont know what or when, and this might just be a silly feeling.

This BBC article does cover a bunch of stuff including the aspect you mention, albeit only briefly.

 
The people at the centre of the UK government “don’t talk about an exit strategy”, says someone who is well placed to know. “They talk about learning to live with this.” That is clearly true. Without a vaccine or proven treatments there is no exit from coronavirus, only management. As yet, there is also no settled strategy. The government has a sense of how lockdown might be eased and phased. All agree that the only viable approach for easing lockdown is mass community testing and contact tracing. But ministers are tussling over how far to drive the virus spread down before easing restrictions. Matt Hancock, health secretary, argues that squashing the rate of spread before easing will help efforts to control it. Michael Gove, the government’s chief fixer, and Rishi Sunak, the chancellor, want to move earlier to minimise the economic hit. Yet those arguing for early easing are doing so without the necessary infrastructure. Testing capacity is still too low. A planned app to warn those who have come into contact with a carrier is not yet ready to deploy. Thousands of contact-tracing staff must be recruited and trained. Arguments for face-mask use look more about supply than science. Without the tools of virus suppression in place, this is less a strategy than a suck-it-and-see approach. It is also true, however, that debate is afflicted by political divisions, with the ending of restrictions becoming a proxy battle for the fight over the nature of post-lockdown society. For now, those at the extremes of the argument are not those at the centre of the decision-making. But those erring on the dovish side worry about the increasing hawkishness of Tories, who fear not only the economic cost but a return to Big Statism. It is striking how many of the hawks come from one of two often intersecting Conservative camps, the leading lights of the Leave campaign and a claque of the government’s media outriders clustered around the Spectator magazine, an outfit whose diaspora also includes Boris Johnson, the UK prime minister, and his chief strategist, Dominic Cummings. One lockdown sceptic, Toby Young, a Gove ally and associate editor at the magazine, has set up a website to argue that the lives saved are being overvalued and the costs understated. Both Mr Johnson and Mr Cummings are less hawkish and worry premature easing may lead to a second peak and more economic damage. But the instincts of the Spectocracy are often aligned and find favour with this government. Even so, there is something else going on here, beyond a debate about lockdown, which is why the influence of those pushing it matters. Having seen the left use the crisis to demand policy changes from higher taxes to nationalisation, the right is fighting back. Its thinkers see an opportunity to use fears over jobs to drive a deregulatory, free market agenda and oppose social policies they dismiss as “wokery”.



Writing in The Daily Telegraph, Daniel Hannan, one of the founders of Vote Leave, took aim at diversity targets: “When a million more people are on the dole, does anyone think it will be a priority to publish gender pay gaps? . . . Or whether the chief scientific adviser and chief medical officer are privately educated white men?” He went on to liken the lockdown to the dream state for climate change activists, adding: “It will be awkward, after this, to argue that . . . we should all be prepared to suffer a little for the sake of the planet.” Mr Hannan’s argument is typically puckish but also telling. He is right that resurrecting the economy is going to take precedence over many other issues. It will be speedily endorsed by those with other agendas. Companies will call for the lifting of tiresome regulations, measures to hit the 2050 target for a carbon-zero economy will be assailed for loading extra costs on business, risking jobs and hobbling recovery. Even more telling, though, is the attempt to set up gender equality and ethnic diversity as the enemies of prosperity. Equal pay or food on plates is not really the choice. Can it be that culture wars are even infecting the coronavirus crisis? It is a troubling harbinger. The crisis will be used as an excuse to hammer pet peeves, so tackling injustice or fighting climate change will now be depicted as inimical to jobs and growth. Mr Johnson has not reached this place and may not. But his ideological outriders have. After weeks in which the left made the running, the post-lockdown battle lines are being drawn. As hardship bites, the worry will be whether he listens to those offering not just economic arguments but a new culture war as a route out of unpopularity. Battle has been rejoined. Everything may have changed, but there’s a lot that looks the same.
 
Fuck Daniel Hannan. I wish I could kill him with a sword. If I ever see him on the street I shall try to throttle him. Then I suppose I'll go to prison. I wonder if he has a bodyguard.
 
I notice she is not tall enough to stand at the lectern without an extra step, reminds me of my ex who is also tiny.
One of the funniest moments of my career so far was several years ago when I was doing the sound for a political event of some kind, where Hazel Blears was the keynote speaker. Except nobody had told us that she's only about 5' tall. She walked out onto the stage and was completely obscured by the lectern. You literally couldn't see her, never mind hear her from the mic that was aimed a good 8 inches over the top of her head. A stagehand had to run out with a flightcase for her to stand on.
 
One of the funniest moments of my career so far was several years ago when I was doing the sound for a political event of some kind, where Hazel Blears was the keynote speaker. Except nobody had told us that she's only about 5' tall. She walked out onto the stage and was completely obscured by the lectern. You literally couldn't see her, never mind hear her from the mic that was aimed a good 8 inches over the top of her head. A stagehand had to run out with a flightcase for her to stand on.
Heightist :mad:
 
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