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Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion
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sheothebudworths
Up the bum - no babies!!!
Rabb?
Are you watching yesterday's briefing?
No, I got it wrong - corrected it now (I do get confused between the two - it's the generic * young Tory face * - I must remember that Hancock looks a little bit less like he needs to loosen his tie when he's lying).
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Someone should stand behind him and tighten his tie every time he lies.
sheothebudworths
Up the bum - no babies!!!
They started including care home (?) figures then, I think.
There was a question in the briefing a few days ago which related to why we aren't including all our deaths, where the response was that it wouldn't match international data.
The FT graphs, which spread deaths over 7 days (I think!) removed those new French figures, on that basis, a couple of days ago - we still look to be at a steeper curve than France.
Only my own reading of it all.
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2hats
Dust.
7 day moving average.
sheothebudworths
Up the bum - no babies!!!
FT charts, which use 7 day rolling-averages plus - April 9: All maps and charts now exclude nursing home deaths from France’s totals to maintain cross-national comparability
www.ft.com
ETA - updated at 7pm, daily. Also to add that of course this does ignore loads more deaths - like deaths of elderly people, dying alone, don't matter while they may statistically skew numbers.
Coronavirus tracker: the latest figures as countries fight the Covid-19 resurgence | Free to read
The FT analyses the scale of outbreaks and tracks the vaccine rollouts around the world
ETA - updated at 7pm, daily. Also to add that of course this does ignore loads more deaths - like deaths of elderly people, dying alone, don't matter while they may statistically skew numbers.
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£10 to each?
The counselling service I help run is looking quite hard at this - there has been a huge drop in the number of people attending, many of whom are uneasy about video/phone counselling, and we strongly suspect that they will return, along with a lot of people who have developed difficulties during lockdown, in a tsunami of demand, once this is over. On top of health professionals who will be burned out and experiencing PTSI/"moral injury", and people who have been bereaved, or developed anticipatory grief around severely ill friends or relatives.
Added to which, the local mental health support services have simply shut down, which means that there are quite a lot of moderate-to-severe cases out there who are currently unsupported, and who will remain that way until they become acute.
I am quite nervous about just how bad this could be. I mean, we'll handle it, but I very strongly suspect that we will be overwhelmed. And I am not optimistic about the possibility of the Trust providing commensurate funding
Is the local MH service not wfh?
What do you do with those who don't want phone/vid counselling? Will some accept a check in phone call at the same time as their usual session?
tommers
Fuck it, it's fine.
My step mum works for M&S and her boss got called in to their shop in Bluewater. Said their food hall was pretty much the only shop open but there were still loads of people just wandering aimlessly around.
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existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Any who do we're treating. But the word from our liaison is that they're all either redeployed or awaiting redeployment - it may be that there are aspects of the service that are still operating, but certainly from the primary care point of view there doesn't appear to be anything. I was fairly surprised, to say the least.
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
Novara just doing a show on how the media seem to be treating the higher death figures here as less serious than they treated the death figures in Spain and Italy. There is something odd about the coverage, like journalists have been instructed not to get people too worked up (and I am hypothesising that this might actually have happened).
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Jeremiah18.17
Well-Known Member
Wonder how many D notices are flying around?
bimble
floofy
What do you mean like journalists being told to not tell us that 980 is a large number? Don’t think so. Think it’s more of a boiled frog thing, every days numbers so big and so little human detail that we don’t feel shock anymore.
Jeremiah18.17
Well-Known Member
D notices more likely on news of “demoralising” govt fuck-ups than data or figures. Would guess back channels to editors and owners of MSM channels being used to urge “responsible” coverage in the “national interest” Hence the bollocks focus on Johnson’s health status even when he is allegedly on the mend, while everything else is going to hell.
SheilaNaGig
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littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Those are reported deaths over the last few weeks - most of them will be from two or more days ago. Still not good at all, but we're still at the point where most of the people in those figures will have caught it pre-lockdown.
So the answer to your question is the slightly unsatisfactory one that their failure to get a grip on this a month ago or before is the direct cause of today's figures. Things may actually have started easing off by the time they have all the PPE in place, all the new hospitals open, the testing ability ramped up, the ventilators in place, etc. They should be well prepared in a month's time for the situation they found themselves in three weeks ago.
ETA: Because of the lack of testing, we really had no idea exactly (or even vaguely) how bad things were here three weeks ago at lockdown. Only now are we getting the answer to that question.
SheilaNaGig
Break requested
Oh, a gagging order...?
Spot on!
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
At a guess? Probably none. There are enough things that are literally staring them in the face at this point that pass without challenge, or even comment, to make such things pointless.
Most of the British media are doing the same thing they've done for ages - the only surprise is finding out how many of us thought there would come a time that would be so obviously and unbearably bad that they would actually stop doing it. I was one of these people and I'd like to apologise to everyone, most of all myself.
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
I strongly suspect that this is going on constantly right now.
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
Oh it's that as well. No doubt about it. They love the taste.
I don't think the D-notices or nudges to editors would go as far as telling them what to run instead of EVERYBODY IS DYING stories. Even British editors might baulk at that. It would just be about toning down the disaster angle so as not to worry the common folk too much. In the interests of national unity and keeping calm and carrying on etc, you know?
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Not really how it works. What is happening now is the result of what the policies were weeks ago. Even if the government suddenly started doing shit that made sense tomorrow morning, we'd still be in for another month of chaos and death before anything good happened. HTH.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Yep.
For at least another week, many of those dying will be from pre-'lockdown' infection and then there's the reporting lag on top of that.
I'm getting the impression that managers are having to both argue forcefully and evidence that MH services are able to continue to provide a service/ that the service is needed to avoid extensive or even full redeployment.
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