Doodler
You're quite nice when you smile
Thanks for your reply elbows, I appreciate the well-informed posts you've been adding here on the subject.
Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion
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Thanks for your reply elbows, I appreciate the well-informed posts you've been adding here on the subject.
Smangus
comatose at a desk
This is an interesting article with a virologist who has dealt with swine flu and other things. Quite a reasoned perspective.
Cambridge Independent Virologist interviewed
Cambridge Independent Virologist interviewed
prunus
Tick tock.
"Current death statistics are from hospitals only, and from tomorrow the ONS will begin collating whole-UK figures including deaths in the community on a weekly basis." - from this morning's lobby briefing. Hopefully they will break them down, otherwise trying to keep track of what's going on, and compare with other sources of data, becomes very difficult.
bimble
floofy
Good article (with properly shocking graphs in it) explaining how the NHS has been stripped of capacity for ‘slack’ over the years:
The NHS at capacity - Tortoise
The British state is obsessed with efficiency. But this also makes it vulnerable – as coronavirus is showing – in times of crisis
members.tortoisemedia.com
teqniq
DisMembered
Leak reveals shortage of coronavirus PPE in Northern Ireland
And in Wales, senior nurse says some healthcare workers are writing letters in case they die
elbows
Well-Known Member
Yeah, the ONS are supposed to report on these deaths on a weekly basis, I dont know when the first of those is due to be published.
Given issues and lag of death stats, and problems with test capacity affecting number of confirmed cases on any given day, the numbers I would actually like to see on a daily basis in order to track the epidemic are related to hospital admissions and intensive care rates.
After all, its those sorts of numbers that the experts use to tell us they see some signs. How about giving the public that data?
eg:
from Coronavirus: UK spread shows early signs of slowing – key adviser
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elbows
Well-Known Member
Given the amount of quibbling and uncertainty on that front, I would count them all, and then people can argue about whether all of them were valid later. This is still vastly preferable to leaving people with a sense the undercounting is distorting the numbers.
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weltweit
Well-Known Member
A team including Mercedes F1 have produced a breathing aid on which they are now hoping for approval, based on a modification to an existing design, Mercedes F1 say they could produce thousands a day once they have the go ahead. Apparently this equipment can be used before a patient needs a ventilator.
And a consortium including Airbus and RR is awaiting approvals on a new ventilator which they will then manufacture.
And a consortium including Airbus and RR is awaiting approvals on a new ventilator which they will then manufacture.
elbows
Well-Known Member
I'm still being driven mad by the fact I seem to have to rely on local media republishing info they got from the Press Association about the days NHS deaths.
Anyway, partly as a result of that I discovered this quite handy PA article about UK death statistics, it goes into quite some detail about various issues and changes to the stats the ONS will provide.
www.wandsworthguardian.co.uk
Anyway, partly as a result of that I discovered this quite handy PA article about UK death statistics, it goes into quite some detail about various issues and changes to the stats the ONS will provide.
What do the statistics really tell us about UK coronavirus deaths?
The figures do not give a real-time snapshot of how many are dying.
editor
hiraethified
This is a tough journey we're all on - there's some good advice and resources here Coronavirus: NHS guidance for mental wellbeing while staying at home
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Yep. There's going to be a ton of comorbidity so we're never going to separate everything out. But someone with, say, cancer who dies from c19 cos they're weakened by the cancer has still been killed by c19 in my book.
elbows
Well-Known Member
It sounds like the ONS figures will be based on coroners making some mention of Covid-19.
elbows
Well-Known Member
I need data help.
It seems likely that the daily figures from NHS England, which breaks them down by hospital trust and includes dates of death, are being sent out as a press release which is not published online. I need this data. Sometimes, via the PA, local newspapers are publishing all the info in full, but I cannot rely on this happening every day and its messing up my ability to collate local data. If anyone can provide me with this data, or knows of someone else who is collating it online with the proper date of death info intact, please get in touch.
It seems likely that the daily figures from NHS England, which breaks them down by hospital trust and includes dates of death, are being sent out as a press release which is not published online. I need this data. Sometimes, via the PA, local newspapers are publishing all the info in full, but I cannot rely on this happening every day and its messing up my ability to collate local data. If anyone can provide me with this data, or knows of someone else who is collating it online with the proper date of death info intact, please get in touch.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Yes it does. Latest release stated that just four out of 159 of the latest deaths didn't involve underlying conditions. Of course that could range from final stage cancer to mild asthma or type 2 diabetes...
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
I think the Mercedes thing is a hack on the CPAP machines they use for people with sleep apnoea, etc...
Doodler
You're quite nice when you smile
The government need to get better public information films. Some people may think that Chris Whitty is just a weird-looking science teacher type so no need to pay attention to what he says. Advertising agencies have decades of experience making people worry about germs and hygiene.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Report back on my daily walk. I passed a few places today that I passed last week and most of the construction/road work that was going last week has stopped this week. I'm very pleased to be able to report that. 
quimcunx
imprimeo, lamino, distribuo
Report back on my daily walk. I passed a few places today that I passed last week and most of the construction/road work that was going last week has stopped this week. I'm very pleased to be able to report that.
Any idea why the construction industry has been so slow? It's not like anyone us going to be moving into the space in a hurry.
quimcunx
imprimeo, lamino, distribuo
Is it worth contacting a local paper and asking them to share?
MrSki
Who am I to say you're wrong
Some sites need to be made safe before shutdown but a lot carried on working because they are outdoors.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
They weren't obliged to stop, I don't think, but it does appear that many have now stopped. Don't know if pressure was applied.
It hasn't all stopped, mind you.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
I was just thinking the same, say what you like about Johnson, at least he is an animated performer.
xes
F.O.A.D
This is quite a sweary video with a very angry woman. She's pissed off at people in hazmat suits coming round scaring people by saying that someone had died, when they hadn't. She'd seen the person being handled by the police and taken to hospital (drunk, not covid) a few minutes previous, they had been told he was dead a few hours before.
keybored
Well done. You remember cat good.
Weird. Found this on the HA's website but it begs more questions than it answers.This is quite a sweary video with a very angry woman. She's pissed off at people in hazmat suits coming round scaring people by saying that someone had died, when they hadn't. She'd seen the person being handled by the police and taken to hospital (drunk, not covid) a few minutes previous, they had been told he was dead a few hours before.
gosub
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Coz there will be penalty for late completion clauses in their contracts, contracts that were drawn up without any thought of lockdowns or pandemics
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