So just chuck money at anyone who says they can make a ventilator then? Or perhaps do you assess each design and decide which ones are actually suitable before putting the order in? I mean... the article is just quotes from the chief exec of a company who just didn't get an order. He's just missing out the bit where they said 'actually, we don't think your design is going to work. sorry.'
Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion
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Cid
Proper break this time
Would you give a shiney one if the hospital you were in was hit by an oxygen fuelled fire?
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Not long before there's a Tunnocks black market either: Coronavirus in Scotland: Tunnock's halts production amid pandemic
Cid
Proper break this time
Yeah, rules which presumably include the design of equipment used in them. We're talking about the roll-out of 10,000+ units into an overworked, overstretched system. It is inevitable people will take shortcuts, inevitable they'll make mistakes... It makes sense to ensure the equipment they're using is as safe as possible.
Sure. But as said above. If you're ordering these things on mass for our rapid national deployment context, you want familiarity, reliable supply chains for parts. Standard training and knowledge sharing. You don't want someone looking for the manual as patients are hurtling down the corridor.
keybored
Well done. You remember cat good.
That was then though, this is now.Yeah, except this has little to do with CV19. Note the date.
Toxic Derbyshire 'Blue Lagoon' dyed black
A pool at a disused quarry in Derbyshire which has caustic water is changed from inviting blue to off-putting black.www.bbc.co.uk
Police dye the water in Buxton 'Blue Lagoon' to deter swimmers during coronavirus lockdown
Police have dyed the waters in the ‘Blue Lagoon’ at Harpur Hill, Buxton following reports of groups of people meeting there to swim during the coronavirus lockdown.
www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk
The same force that took a drive to the peak so they could unleash their drone on walkers and boast about it on Twitter.
Coronavirus: Peak District drone police criticised for 'lockdown shaming'
Derbyshire Police is accused of "nanny policing" after sharing aerial shots of Peak District walkers.
www.bbc.co.uk
elbows
Well-Known Member
Thanks for the info.
Personally I'm waiting to see what the numbers do in countries like Italy and Spain that are ahead of us with their epidemics and lockdowns, before I think about the timing of the UK peak, how long and large the epidemic wave is likely to be and other related matters.
Given how woefully off some of the publicly stated timescales were just a few weeks ago (the whole 4 weeks behind Italy thing when it was actually more like.2 weeks) I suppose I shouldnt be surprised that other timings and plans based around them were off too.
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bimble
floofy
Is it a conspiracy theory to not believe them when they say -literally - that they didn’t get the email inviting UK to join in the EU procurement and that’s why we have to build our own?
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Tbf Matt Hancock is looking after the Inbox so it could just be absolute total fucking stupidity
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
This requires the belief that such devices are available for export.
Do you believe that the UK government would, or should, allow a UK based manufacturer to export ventilators to a customer outside the UK while the NHS is screaming for them?
If you - presumably - believe that it shouldn't, why would you believe that any other government wouldn't feel the same way?
It might all be a bit British ventilators for British lungs, thats what happens when the shit hits the fan...
elbows
Well-Known Member
An attempt at analysing where the initial UK response went wrong.
EU Referendum
eureferendum.com
It refers to this FT article.
How the UK got coronavirus testing wrong | Free to read
Government at first seemed to want a concerted contact tracing effort, but it eased upwww.ft.com
Interesting stuff. Contains links to minutes I've never read, I will post about that bit again later if I find anything worthy of quoting from them.
I suppose the two main things I think are missing from this analysis both involve orthodox approaches that I spoke about way too much already in recent weeks:
If they study things like the UK approach to 2009 Swine Flu, they will find all sorts of similarities that help explain why the UK approach this time around went the way it did.
If they study regional pandemic protocols and planning, they will find the numerous areas where the UK was actually still pretty much in tune with the EU approach. At the EU level, the signs of some shift from the orthodox approach started to emerge around the same time it started to shift in individual countries, often with only a few days variation in timing, despite whatever rhetoric was coming out of different leaders mouths at the time. Which reminds me, I need to check whether any subsequent ECDC documents have been released since I last looked.
bimble
floofy
Let’s see what the EU ventilator procurement effort gets them. Their joint purchasing power is being used for a reason presumably else they’d be doing everything country by country. Our gov has now (yesterday) said after this innocent email mistake and missing out on the first chance they do want to join in from now on.
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Raheem
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If companies are proposing designs which the NHS is rejecting for whatever reason (and there may be lots of good reasons, from 'this is shit' to 'how much??' to 'no we do not have the time and resources for you to train every nurse in the country to use it safely'), then surely it makes perfect sense to allow them to export if they can find other buyers.
keybored
Well done. You remember cat good.
Exactly. I mean c'mon, who here hasn't blacklisted a former partner's email address after a messy break-up so their missives end up in the spam folder?
Raheem
Well-Known Member
Not to mention supermarket staff, couriers, care workers, bin workers etc.
editor
hiraethified
Funny how all those vital movers and shakers, on-trend entrepreneurs, wealth creators and self-declared important business leaders are as much use as a wet fart in whisky bottle right now.
mauvais
on reddit or something
I mean that it's something already done regularly. Not really sure what the issue is, tbh. People shouldn't be on long walks in the Peaks, and definitely not swimming where they could get into trouble and use up more NHS resources.That was then though, this is now.
Police dye the water in Buxton 'Blue Lagoon' to deter swimmers during coronavirus lockdown
Police have dyed the waters in the ‘Blue Lagoon’ at Harpur Hill, Buxton following reports of groups of people meeting there to swim during the coronavirus lockdown.
The same force that took a drive to the peak so they could unleash their drone on walkers and boast about it on Twitter.
Coronavirus: Peak District drone police criticised for 'lockdown shaming'
Derbyshire Police is accused of "nanny policing" after sharing aerial shots of Peak District walkers.www.bbc.co.uk
Steel Icarus
we move
I thought that was for people coming to work in the UK, not people already here
andysays
Love and solidarity
That was then though, this is now.
The same force that took a drive to the peak so they could unleash their drone on walkers and boast about it on Twitter.Police dye the water in Buxton 'Blue Lagoon' to deter swimmers during coronavirus lockdown
Police have dyed the waters in the ‘Blue Lagoon’ at Harpur Hill, Buxton following reports of groups of people meeting there to swim during the coronavirus lockdown.
Coronavirus: Peak District drone police criticised for 'lockdown shaming'
Derbyshire Police is accused of "nanny policing" after sharing aerial shots of Peak District walkers.www.bbc.co.uk
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
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In this instance, what is the first thought? 'We must do whatever it takes to ensure as few people die as possible', or some variation of 'how do we further our own interests in this crisis?' Again, it is not conspiracy theory to think that govt actions are at least in part driven by the latter sentiment even now. It's actually more like a conspiracy theory to think that they are not, to think that there is suddenly a conspiracy in those in power to act purely for the common good.
Is it? The initial policy was to allow hundreds of thousands of people to die. But this isn't a case of intentional murder, more manslaughter through criminal neglect and the pursuit of profit and political goals over people (and there's a reason why the highest jail term for manslaughter is life). That's not conspiracy theory. That's standard practice. How many thousands of people have been allowed to die during 'austerity' to line the pockets of the rich?
In this instance, what is the first thought? 'We must do whatever it takes to ensure as few people die as possible', or some variation of 'how do we further our own interests in this crisis?' Again, it is not conspiracy theory to think that govt actions are at least in part driven by the latter sentiment even now. It's actually more like a conspiracy theory to think that they are not, to think that there is suddenly a conspiracy in those in power to act purely for the common good.
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editor
hiraethified
Let's not forget the rail workers!
www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk
Key railway workers enable 370,000 tonnes of vital food, medicine and other supplies to be moved in a week
This week alone key workers from Network Rail have enabled more than 370,000 tonnes of freight to be moved between west London and Cornwall and into and across Wales to support the economy, the NHS, petrol at the pumps and food in shops.
www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk
teqniq
DisMembered
Conspiracy or not (and I'm not suggesting there is), this thread is interesting:
This is the guy who who drew attention to Saudi bot accounts and later MAGA types retweetting opinions/memes favourable to their interests.
D
Well-Known Member
Update! Pathologists, orthopedists, gynecologists, nurses from every discipline called to all hands on deck situation in NYC. It remains to be seen whether my brother will be doing critical care, stepping into other clinical work, or merely taking up more responsibility in the lab as colleagues also shuffle around and everything changes every day/hour/etc.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
260 deaths in the last 24 hours.
little_legs
Поехали!
260 deaths yesterday, 1019 total deaths now and we're still only in a soft lockdown.
D
Well-Known Member
In this country as well, we have significant issues in terms of rural hospital capacity/proximity of rural communities to already overtaxed hospitals. But at least density (or lack thereof) is in the favor of rural communities in terms of community spread. There are lots of seniors affected in urban areas as well.
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