Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion
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I think they are going to be manifesting now. I know I'm feeling the stress and I'm lucky it hasn't directly affected me, Covid that is. Yet hereabouts I see what could be some side effects: increased litter and some relatively minor vandalism. Bored kids perhaps made worse by circumstances.
Johnson just held a briefing. Not much of note apart from talking about an autumn vaccine booster and desire for anti-viral drugs (oral tablet sort) available by the autumn. The plan being they could be taken at home following a positive test.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
That is, I think, the tweeting of small birds compared to what I suspect we've got coming.
elbows
Well-Known Member
It doesnt sound like Philip Scofield is coping very well with the current stage.
metro.co.uk
I'm not happy with that attitude but I can see where it comes from. I've certainly found myself going on about variants more than I was hoping to at this stage. I'm still hoping to give it a rest for a bit. And in contrast to some earlier stages of the pandemic, there isnt much that I would consider truly inevitable at this stage. There are a number of scenarios that wont surprise me if they happen, but I dont think they are a complete given.
Phillip Schofield slams Covid scaremongers in heated row with Matthew Wright
The presenter did not hold back.
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I'm not happy with that attitude but I can see where it comes from. I've certainly found myself going on about variants more than I was hoping to at this stage. I'm still hoping to give it a rest for a bit. And in contrast to some earlier stages of the pandemic, there isnt much that I would consider truly inevitable at this stage. There are a number of scenarios that wont surprise me if they happen, but I dont think they are a complete given.
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Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
Oh look Boris Johnson promises a cure in the future.
Let's take a look at the history books to see how such a statement can play out
Richard Nixon in 1971 declared war on cancer
The world is still holding it's breath on this one.
How about antivirals? 40 years after HIV, see how extensive the list of antiviral drugs we have made, mainly to treat (not cure) HIV.
en.wikipedia.org
So Boris Johnson is some superhero virologist heading up a crack shadowy team in Pfizer who are going to suprise release a totally safe pill for everyone to take in 5 months.
Let's take a look at the history books to see how such a statement can play out
Richard Nixon in 1971 declared war on cancer
The world is still holding it's breath on this one.
How about antivirals? 40 years after HIV, see how extensive the list of antiviral drugs we have made, mainly to treat (not cure) HIV.
List of antiviral drugs - Wikipedia
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
It can't possibly fail. It's a collaboration with Trump.Oh look Boris Johnson promises a cure in the future.
Let's take a look at the history books to see how such a statement can play out
Richard Nixon in 1971 declared war on cancer
The world is still holding it's breath on this one.
How about antivirals? 40 years after HIV, see how extensive the list of antiviral drugs we have made, mainly to treat (not cure) HIV.
So Boris Johnson is some superhero virologist heading up a crack shadowy team in Pfizer who are going to suprise release a totally safe pill for everyone to take in 5 months.List of antiviral drugs - Wikipedia
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
This is just "moonshot" all over again, isn't it? And look how well that went...Oh look Boris Johnson promises a cure in the future.
Let's take a look at the history books to see how such a statement can play out
Richard Nixon in 1971 declared war on cancer
The world is still holding it's breath on this one.
How about antivirals? 40 years after HIV, see how extensive the list of antiviral drugs we have made, mainly to treat (not cure) HIV.
So Boris Johnson is some superhero virologist heading up a crack shadowy team in Pfizer who are going to suprise release a totally safe pill for everyone to take in 5 months.List of antiviral drugs - Wikipedia
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Oh look Boris Johnson promises a cure in the future.
Let's take a look at the history books to see how such a statement can play out
Richard Nixon in 1971 declared war on cancer
The world is still holding it's breath on this one.
How about antivirals? 40 years after HIV, see how extensive the list of antiviral drugs we have made, mainly to treat (not cure) HIV.
So Boris Johnson is some superhero virologist heading up a crack shadowy team in Pfizer who are going to suprise release a totally safe pill for everyone to take in 5 months.List of antiviral drugs - Wikipedia
Anti-virals for HIV are actually excellent though, both for pre-exposure to prevent infection and also prevent progression of the disease in infected.
Second patient cured of HIV, say doctors
Adam Castillejo, the "London Patient", is free of the virus more than 30 months after stopping treatment.
www.bbc.com
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
Anti-virals for HIV are actually excellent though, both for pre-exposure to prevent infection and also prevent progression of the disease in infected.
Second patient cured of HIV, say doctors
Adam Castillejo, the "London Patient", is free of the virus more than 30 months after stopping treatment.www.bbc.com
I wasn't saying they are bad, did they take months to develop?
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
I wasn't sure what you were saying tbh, but no, they took years, but with far less resources put into them. I haven't read anything about the likelihood of anti-viral meds for this, be interested to see something that explains what's happening.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Yeah I havent looked at whether there is something that could indicate actual substance behind the claims. Seems more likely to be a part of the ongoing setting of the scene in regards 'learning to live with Covid' that they are fixated on for pretty obvious reasons.
Last time there was a pandemic the UK shamelessly threw a load of tamiflu anti-viral meds around. The authorities did not cover themselves in glory on that occasion because they claimed to be using it as a prophylactic even though I dont believe there was evidence of it working against swine flu in that way. It was being seen to be doing something, and making use of stockpiles they had acquired, so people were quite skeptical about it.
Last time there was a pandemic the UK shamelessly threw a load of tamiflu anti-viral meds around. The authorities did not cover themselves in glory on that occasion because they claimed to be using it as a prophylactic even though I dont believe there was evidence of it working against swine flu in that way. It was being seen to be doing something, and making use of stockpiles they had acquired, so people were quite skeptical about it.
Oh look Boris Johnson promises a cure in the future.
Let's take a look at the history books to see how such a statement can play out
Richard Nixon in 1971 declared war on cancer
The world is still holding it's breath on this one.
How about antivirals? 40 years after HIV, see how extensive the list of antiviral drugs we have made, mainly to treat (not cure) HIV.
So Boris Johnson is some superhero virologist heading up a crack shadowy team in Pfizer who are going to suprise release a totally safe pill for everyone to take in 5 months.List of antiviral drugs - Wikipedia
As with everything Johnson says I find it's best not to get to hung up on it. His word is worthless and he's often playing to a different audience. All he was saying yesterday is that they will be approaching anti-virals in the same way as vaccines. Relevant persons will go out there and assess which ones currently being worked on look the most viable and then fund them accordingly.
All he was saying was that they will continue to support and fund science in the fight against covid which is what we would expect any government to do. There was no real need to say it except for...
...this. The announcement was wrapped up in a statement about living with the virus. He's setting a scene of life in the future.
Just a general musing on this but I wonder whether the anti-vax movement would be so vociferous with anti-virals? Will taking a pill after a positive test be less of an issue than an injection when there is nothing wrong with you?
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Cloo
Banana for scale
Not surprising I guess.
First time round we thought this was probably the worst of it and the longest we'd have to do.
It was going into what turned out to be a gloriously dry and warm spring and summer
We were all so thrown by the WTF of sudden home working, home schooling no restaurants, shops etc that we were kind of kept going on the nervous energy from that,
Lockdown 2:
We were heading into midwinter
More people may have lost jobs
After optimism of maybe getting Christmas, and maybe it all being over by Easter, we had new variants and associated worries of how long it would all be
No Christmas
I found this one harder in some ways (weather/darkness, 'coronacoaster' of good news/bad news), but easier in others, such as schools having got their act together, certainly primary school, so there was much less onus on me with home learning, vaccines rollout being surprising success.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Yeah winter made it harder. And the numbing effects of the initial pandemic shock were long gone by then. And for me and probably some others, there was the spectacle of having months of build-up where the second wave unfolded in slow-motion compared to how things were perceived the first time round. Its really was no fun to have to witness the Johnson government ignoring pleas for circuit breakers, and for the horrible feeling of inevitability to hang around for months before bursting into full fruition.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Interesting conversation with neighbour this morning, he's in an NHS trial for combining coronavirus and flu vaccinations.
He had coronavirus jab in one arm and either flu or placebo in the other (logical, see whether either causes reaction), vaccination given behind his back so didn't see which was which. In three weeks will be reversed.
He had coronavirus jab in one arm and either flu or placebo in the other (logical, see whether either causes reaction), vaccination given behind his back so didn't see which was which. In three weeks will be reversed.
Went to Luton today for a work site visit and was pretty shocked 
www.lutontoday.co.uk
www.itv.com
Luton has 3 Lateral Flow testing centres, a home test kit collection centre and a mobile testing bus already in place.
I was down there in 'the Mall' as they are setting up a home testing kit collection point in the Mall to catch the footfall. This will be in the centre of the Mall next to their information point which is approximately the busiest part.
As an estimate only around 60% of people were wearing masks. Of the 60% who wore masks around half did not have them over their noses FFS
Spent some time with the manager there and security. They were stopping maskless people asking them to put one on and offering free masks to anyone. About half said they were exempt
and half just ignored or abused the staff 
The security guards and staff I spoke were really demoralised. They said they have been threatened and had people yelling they will sue for disabled discrimination. Maybe some were exempt but no fucking way it was more than a small percentage.
One 'exempt' exchange I witnessed:
Security: Please can you put on a mask
Punter: Don't have a go at me, I have asthma
Security: Hope you have your inhaler on you
Punter: I don't use one and that is not your business
Security: Sigh
Luton is and has always been a melting pot. It is a 'deprived' area plus has a huge mix of races and religions which no doubt is a big, if not the main factor. Not sure why I am sharing this but it put my moaning about the odd maskless person in a supermarket into perspective.
Looking for answers as Luton tops the national table for Covid-19 case rates
Town is one of the few areas in the country to be getting its waste water tested
www.lutontoday.co.uk
Luton has the second lowest take-up of covid jabs among care home staff | ITV News
Only 60 per cent of care home workers in Luton have been vaccinated while Suffolk has the highest number at 85 per cent. | ITV News Anglia
www.itv.com
Luton has 3 Lateral Flow testing centres, a home test kit collection centre and a mobile testing bus already in place.
I was down there in 'the Mall' as they are setting up a home testing kit collection point in the Mall to catch the footfall. This will be in the centre of the Mall next to their information point which is approximately the busiest part.
As an estimate only around 60% of people were wearing masks. Of the 60% who wore masks around half did not have them over their noses FFS
Spent some time with the manager there and security. They were stopping maskless people asking them to put one on and offering free masks to anyone. About half said they were exempt
and half just ignored or abused the staff The security guards and staff I spoke were really demoralised. They said they have been threatened and had people yelling they will sue for disabled discrimination. Maybe some were exempt but no fucking way it was more than a small percentage.
One 'exempt' exchange I witnessed:
Security: Please can you put on a mask
Punter: Don't have a go at me, I have asthma
Security: Hope you have your inhaler on you
Punter: I don't use one and that is not your business
Security: Sigh
Luton is and has always been a melting pot. It is a 'deprived' area plus has a huge mix of races and religions which no doubt is a big, if not the main factor. Not sure why I am sharing this but it put my moaning about the odd maskless person in a supermarket into perspective.
Buddy Bradley
Pantheistic solipsist
"You'd better go home then, there's a deadly respiratory disease going about, haven't you heard?"
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
I always thought the anti-vax thing was a new internet social media driven err "ideology?", hmm dunno what to call it. Dumb certainly.
I discovered it's as old as vaccinations. This list of lies is from the 19th century. Smallpox killed 1 in 3.
So feared a disease, (rightly so) archaeologists always find small 'charms' attempting to ward it off.
I discovered it's as old as vaccinations. This list of lies is from the 19th century. Smallpox killed 1 in 3.
So feared a disease, (rightly so) archaeologists always find small 'charms' attempting to ward it off.
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kabbes
First intersubjective, then internalised
Yeah, and it's generally been the attempt to mandate vaccination that has driven the big protests and movements, even way back in the 1850s/1860s when the first mandatory vaccination laws came into effect.
Indian colleague of mine said a friend of his arrived a few days ago from India, now has a high fever and is isolating in an apartment, but had taken a taxi etc to get there. Meanwhile I can hardly get down the road for the swarms of six-form college students maskless and inches away from each other, who seem to have thrown all caution to the wind.
I can see another lockdown coming in a month or so.
I can see another lockdown coming in a month or so.
But its always been like that with the kids? They never had any caution in the first place to throw to the wind or otherwise. Its understandable and I have no doubt all of us would have been the same if it were us. Sure it's shit but it is what it is.
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