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I think it's got worse. I've been observing them pretty much daily for the last year, and it's definitely a new level of DGAF
Been like that consistently throughout. With some pretty minor (admittedly) vandalism and littering. I don't want to go all "get off my lawn" or sound like Grandpa ffs, but I do find that behaviour somewhat intimidating. Always have. It's a shame because there are also a lot of kids (late teens at an absolute guess) who work at the local shop, and have done so throughout all credit to them.
 
Indian colleague of mine said a friend of his arrived a few days ago from India, now has a high fever and is isolating in an apartment, but had taken a taxi etc to get there. Meanwhile I can hardly get down the road for the swarms of six-form college students maskless and inches away from each other, who seem to have thrown all caution to the wind.

I can see another lockdown coming in a month or so.
The SAGE prediction was the end of Summer, back when people start moving indoors once again. I have no idea (which is what makes commenting such fun), but given the virus is going to be present in some form to some degree, seems unavoidable. We'll probably have a false sense of security conditioned into us over the Summer, along with the government exhorting everyone back to capitalist normality. Currently cases seem to be hovering between 2-3k a day. Deaths are, thankfully, right down. But covid ain't going away
 
According to another forum I use 43 / 44 year olds can now book their jabs via the NHS website.

Not according to the actual NHS website.

You can only use this service if any of the following apply:

  • you were aged 45 or over on or before 30 March 2021
  • you are at high risk from COVID-19 (clinically extremely vulnerable)
  • you have a condition that puts you at higher risk (clinically vulnerable)
  • you have a learning disability
  • you are an eligible frontline health or social care worker
  • you get a Carer's Allowance, get support following an assessment by your local authority or your GP record shows you are a carer

 
I was going to book my first one now. But am a week or 2 too young.

Which is sort of nice I spose but just want to get on with it now...
 
I think the point is the website AIUI accepts the younger ages before the front page is updated and the news is publicised

Not here anyway. I just tried. No appointments available and may not be until after april.

I'm 45.

I did however, tic the access needs box for braille info. I'd prefer just an email but have heard they hand out printed cards with the vaccine info on, which not much good to me. I can find generic info like that online of course. But maybe that was the difference. May try again next week.
 
The SAGE prediction was the end of Summer, back when people start moving indoors once again. I have no idea (which is what makes commenting such fun), but given the virus is going to be present in some form to some degree, seems unavoidable. We'll probably have a false sense of security conditioned into us over the Summer, along with the government exhorting everyone back to capitalist normality. Currently cases seem to be hovering between 2-3k a day. Deaths are, thankfully, right down. But covid ain't going away

I haven't read those SAGE predictions and I should do I suppose, but I take it that they take fully into account how widespread vaccinations will have been in the UK, by the end of summer?

So even if vaccinated people still spread the virus (and how much is confidently known yet about that?) should at least mean that significantly fewer people might go into hospital, and lower death rates. What with so many of the elderly (most vulnerable) having been jabbed, just to give an example.

And no, I'm not saying "Rely on the vaccine and everything will be fine tra la!", just urging caution against ultra-pessimism :hmm: at this stage.

Continue to be careful;, but don't assume the worst, in short. I'm guessing just as much as you, but still.
 
They are modelling exercises by various universities that SAGE then looked at. Yes they take into account the vaccine rollout timetable they were given. There are a range of unknowns in regards quite how well vaccines work so they had to do multiple model run with a variety of assumptions. There are also unknowns about human behaviour during the period in question. And some unknowns in terms of seasonal effects. I've posted graphs from some of these before, I'm not going to do it again at the moment.
 
That is, I think, the tweeting of small birds compared to what I suspect we've got coming.
Entirely possible. I don't cope very well with change, being neuro diverse, so getting into lockdown was difficult (though the last lockdown was much worse because of the time of year), and now so is getting out. I guess we will only really know when it hits us, but the seeds have been sown. None of this is helped by having to deal with the DWP of course, which I mention because fuck the DWP :D
 
I haven't read those SAGE predictions and I should do I suppose, but I take it that they take fully into account how widespread vaccinations will have been in the UK, by the end of summer?

So even if vaccinated people still spread the virus (and how much is confidently known yet about that?) should at least mean that significantly fewer people might go into hospital, and lower death rates. What with so many of the elderly (most vulnerable) having been jabbed, just to give an example.

And no, I'm not saying "Rely on the vaccine and everything will be fine tra la!", just urging caution against ultra-pessimism :hmm: at this stage.

Continue to be careful;, but don't assume the worst, in short. I'm guessing just as much as you, but still.
I don't know if they account for the vaccinations but I imagine they have....you'd hope! I guess it could be about variants and reduced efficacy vs reduced death toll. I mean to say that the government's approach is more about harm mitigation, easing the burden on the NHS, than actually achieving zero covid. So lots of pressure on the NHS because people get hospitalised but, having been vaccinated, are less likely to die.

They say we'll be ok for now, with the opening of shops, but (iirc) the full opening, as planned, could very well be problematic. Needless to say it's all predictive and as scientists they couch their predictions in moderate cautious language.
Removing all lockdown restrictions by summer ‘could lead to another 130,000 deaths’ (paywall unfortunately).
 
I was going to book my first one now. But am a week or 2 too young.

Which is sort of nice I spose but just want to get on with it now...

I'm <45 and just booked mine this morning after getting a text invite via my GP. Not sure why but its in Lambeth which has had lower than average takeup so I suppose they just have spares
 
'A beacon of hope: the UK vaccine story' which was in the news a few months ago for being expensive glossy propaganda that they then didnt show, has finally been shown on youtube today. I'm not watching it, here is an earlier story about it instead.

 
'A beacon of hope: the UK vaccine story' which was in the news a few months ago for being expensive glossy propaganda that they then didnt show, has finally been shown on youtube today. I'm not watching it, here is an earlier story about it instead.


It appears to be 41 minutes long. :D
 
I was going to book my first one now. But am a week or 2 too young.

Which is sort of nice I spose but just want to get on with it now...
I feel like that - although a couple of years in my case. I keep getting excited when I get a SMS (which is not all that often) as it might the vaccination booking!

Honestly I am so tired of both 'People are soooo awful and selfish' and 'People are so over the top flapping about COVID'. I think some people are at those extremes, and the vast majority of people are just doing the best they can, which is generally well enough, with the info available.

gsv messaged friends en masse last night about Zoom component of our daughter's bat mitzvah at the end of June (we are currently on course have a small synagogue service and garden party gathering, but doing a Zoom for family abroad plus back up in worst case scenario of anything going tits up in next 8 weeks, which less face it, it could) and one friend went off on one which she always does. She's not a denialist of COVID existing but she thinks everything's an overreaction and was all 'I can't believe they'll still be restricting the congregation numbers, people will stop coming'. TBH, I think more people would stop coming if they did go by Boris Johnson's magic freedom day, which comes the beginning of that week (if it happens). I wouldn't be comfortable if we suddenly had a full house of people, lovely as that will be some day. But bear in mind, I'll have only had 1 vaccine dose by then, my husband will have had his 2nd less than 3 weeks before and I'm not sure anyone under 35 will have had 1st does by then. Steady as she goes, eh?
 
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An absolute disgraec that its taken this long for SAGE to take this small step towards better mask recommendations:

Growing evidence of the risks of airborne transmission has led the government to emphasise the importance of ventilation - with the words "fresh air" now added to the public messaging.

And now a technical document released by Sage concludes that healthcare workers may need higher standards of respiratory protective equipment (RPE).

It says that where there's "an unacceptable risk of transmission", and other measures have already been applied, "it may be necessary to consider the extended use of appropriate RPE (such as FFP3 masks)".

Dr Matt Butler, a consultant in geriatrics in Cambridge, said: "This is huge, it's the first time they've acknowledged this, it's a crack of light."

 
Dunno if anyone remembers my post about the U.K. gov not buying U.K. ventilators. I saw this on YouTube the other day. The company offered the ventilators to the Government and were turned down. 6 weeks later they came back and said yes yes we need them. All sold sorry. Nothing new really.
What did catch my eye is the woman on the call was asking why on earth they bought Chinese ones at $50000 when the U.K. ones cost $10-15. She’s now seeing a lot of these littered in U.K. hospitals with broken stickers on them.


she could be anyone but this could be easily verified.
This sort of corruption need to stop.
 
I think it's got worse. I've been observing them pretty much daily for the last year, and it's definitely a new level of DGAF

The college kids are the worst I think. The main road in to the city centre here is unpassable for all the hordes of maskless youths loitering around on the pavements all day, right outside the college buildings. I don't envy them the task but the college seems to have done fuck all about it.
 
A minor point, but looks like the NHS site is now saying people over 44 (or 44 by 1st July) can book their jabs - Book a coronavirus vaccination

Yep, looks like things are speeding up again, as they said it would after April.

The over-30s are expected to be invited for their Covid jabs in the next fortnight after vaccinations roll out to the over-40s this week.

Half a million 44-year-olds will be told by text they can sign up from today, with the move to those aged 40 to 43 set out later in the week.

 
Barring no nasty surprises in the next fortnight, it looks to me like May 17th lockdown easing will go ahead as planned in England. The question is, will Johnson hold his nerve with Magic Day of Freedom? It still seems manifestly unwise to me - I did wonder if they might step back and try to preserve some limits on indoor/outdoor numbers, but then it occurs to me they may be thinking along the lines that any allowances beyond the minimal will be so hard to police (ie if you said 'OK, 50 people can meet outside and a dozen indoors') that it would probably be a free-for-all anyway. Which is not necessarily a great way of running things.

I'm hoping to get my jab in next 2-3 weeks (I'm 43), but nothing yet.
 
Barring no nasty surprises in the next fortnight, it looks to me like May 17th lockdown easing will go ahead as planned in England. The question is, will Johnson hold his nerve with Magic Day of Freedom? It still seems manifestly unwise to me - I did wonder if they might step back and try to preserve some limits on indoor/outdoor numbers, but then it occurs to me they may be thinking along the lines that any allowances beyond the minimal will be so hard to police (ie if you said 'OK, 50 people can meet outside and a dozen indoors') that it would probably be a free-for-all anyway. Which is not necessarily a great way of running things.

I'm hoping to get my jab in next 2-3 weeks (I'm 43), but nothing yet.
I think the concern is that, after we unlock fully (June), that's when the cases will spike again, probably when tht weather turns and folk go back indoors. Obviously vaccines are the key factor here, but we don't know how long the protection lasts
 
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