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Why is this bad? I don't think you're going to catch covid-19 in your own car on your own. Possibly why there is so much traffic.
I would imagine that many or even most of those in their cars are on their way somewhere to do something which may involve contact with others and potential transmissions.

Very few of them are likely to be just going out for a drive as a way of passing the time.
 
Well...because they were going places.
Apparently loads were headed to the seaside. Road blocks were up outside seaside spots and people were turned away.

This is also OK, refer you to the article I posted about how there has been no spreading event on beaches or generally outdoors anywhere in the world. Going by car and keeping away from people, which is what you'd do anyway there is pretty much no risk and should be allowed.
 
The royal college of gynaecologists and obstetricians have released a statement confirming concerns about fertility are an unfounded myth.
I was just commenting on what I imagine people suspicious of fertility issues might be thinking.

I don't think there are any fertility issues, and I have already had the jab.
 
Yeah lockdown looks collapsed where I am. Busy out, local venue having events, mask wearing in shops down noticeably.

And also we're having local surge testing due to variant in the area. Chatted to the council people doing the door-to-door testing who said there was a very low take-up. TBH they weren't that clear with what was going on and giving advice on navigating the testing process and why it was being done.

Also noticed a bunch of 'The White Rose' conspiracy/anti-lockdown stickers around the area on the way to work today. Not had a look but the name doesn't require a massive stretch of the imagination to think of the types who might be behind them.
 
Village rammed full of tourists again today. I’m no longer concerned that it is a primary infection risk, but I do think it shows contempt for those sticking to what is still the law.

I drove three miles this morning to see some different scenery. Like this.

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As you can see I live in the middle of nowhere. Saw nobody on the whole journey except the farmer of those sheep (the lambs are 7 days old). Farmer asked us if we were local. I thought that was a fair enough question, even in these circumstances.
 
This is also OK, refer you to the article I posted about how there has been no spreading event on beaches or generally outdoors anywhere in the world. Going by car and keeping away from people, which is what you'd do anyway there is pretty much no risk and should be allowed.


Well over here there is a 5km lockdown.
So as most people where I am currently living are 100km from a beach they would be clearly breaking the restrictions and lockdown by going off to the seaside
 
I drove three miles this morning to see some different scenery. Like this.

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As you can see I live in the middle of nowhere. Saw nobody on the whole journey except the farmer of those sheep (the lambs are 7 days old). Farmer asked us if we were local. I thought that was a fair enough question, even in these circumstances.

I want to live somewhere like that!
 
I drove three miles this morning to see some different scenery. Like this.

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As you can see I live in the middle of nowhere. Saw nobody on the whole journey except the farmer of those sheep (the lambs are 7 days old). Farmer asked us if we were local. I thought that was a fair enough question, even in these circumstances.
There a whole different problem with being the only feasible scenery to visit within 20 miles for a catchment area of a million people that have been cooped up in urban and suburban areas for six months.
 
I want to live somewhere like that!

To be fair it looks like that from my house but it was a different kind of 'that', different hills, different sheep. It's the furthest my partner has been in over 6 months. It is beautiful around here, and that's specifically why we moved here after 20 years in London (me) and nearly 50 years (her).

Wales eh?
 
More cracking news on figures today. :thumbs:

Vaccinations - 1st dose over 19.68m & 2nd dose almost 770k, almost 538k jabs yesterday.

New cases - 7,434, down -17.5% in the last week, bringing the 7-day average down to under 9,263.

New deaths - 290, down -32.3% in the last week, and down 155 on last Saturday's 445, bringing the 7-day average down to around 335.

Another great days on figures, let's hope it doesn't go tits up when the schools re-open.

Vaccinations - 1st dose just over 20m :thumbs: & 2nd dose almost 800k.

New cases - 6,035, down -21.2% in the last week, bringing the 7-day average down to around 8,703.

New deaths - 144, down -33.5% in the last week, and down 70 on last Sunday's 215, bringing the 7-day average down to around 324.
 
Good news on the overall figures.

Less pleasing to see reports of protests, parties, packed parks and beaches across the UK and Ireland.
 
Another great days on figures, let's hope it doesn't go tits up when the schools re-open.

Its already going wrong in terms of cases and rates of decline/increse in about a fifth of local authority areas, as underlined by the Friday Hancock & Van-Tam press conference. Van-Tam started going on about not turning it into a football game where the team in the lead relax at 3-0 and then it turns into a 3-4 game.
 
I drove three miles this morning to see some different scenery. Like this.

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As you can see I live in the middle of nowhere. Saw nobody on the whole journey except the farmer of those sheep (the lambs are 7 days old). Farmer asked us if we were local. I thought that was a fair enough question, even in these circumstances.
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I don't think the case rates are down far enough, nor has the vaccine rollout got enough arms jabbed yet, to consider secondary schools & students going back in little more than a week. TBH, even Easter could be a touch too early.

All this talk of opening up and how well the vaccine rollout is going is encouraging what I consider to be pretty reckless behaviour.
People milling around in very close proximity, even outdoors is worrying.
(my measure is that if you can see and smell someone's exhaled smoke you are too close --- think about it)
 
The people round my way are still being very sensible. Masks still in use, people being sensible in areas where lots are congregating. There are a lot of small groups of people chatting but they are all keeping 2 metres apart. I know that's illegal but no-one is really taking the piss. It's no surprise that the sunny weather has got more people out and about and no surprise that if they see a mate, they are going to have a chat for a bit. I really think we need to stop all this tutting at others because it really doesn't help.
 
Its already going wrong in terms of cases and rates of decline/increse in about a fifth of local authority areas, as underlined by the Friday Hancock & Van-Tam press conference. Van-Tam started going on about not turning it into a football game where the team in the lead relax at 3-0 and then it turns into a 3-4 game.

It would be interesting to know what the figures are for all those 50 areas, because I know Worthing was one of them, but as a lower tier local authority area, increases can actually be very small number of cases, and little more than a bit of a blip that corrects itself fairly quickly.

Worthing borough has a population of around 110k, so cases per 100k are fairly close to the actual case totals. We went from 25 per 100k as we came out of the Nov lockdown to 720 in just 5 weeks, almost doubling every week, so I was concerned five days ago when we were seeing a 65% increase in the 7-day average!

But, that took us from 70 to 115, so 'only' 45 extra cases in one week, if that level of increase continued I would be worried, but it's leveling out, seeing that 65% increase drop to about 35% in just the last 5 days, and that increase could well start being a decrease in the next few days, in which case it's nothing more than a little blip on the road to recovery.
 
kabbes said:
I would imagine that a lot of people that initially declined vaccination invitations didn’t do so out of an ideological opposition to vaccines. There were probably practical or personal impediments.

I understand that a lot of people are concerned about fertility issues. No data on this and likely no risk, it is however an emotive issue.

Good, detailed, medical-professionals and scientists dominated article about vaccine/fertility worries, in today's Observer

Observer headline said:
Covid vaccine does not affect fertility but misinformation persists
Scientists emphasise safety but younger women still hesitant

Harriet Sherwood said:
Concern about fertility is one of the major drivers of vaccine hesitancy, despite explicit reassurances from doctors and scientists. The suggestion that Covid vaccinations could affect fertility was “nonsense”, Jonathan Van-Tam, England’s deputy chief medical officer, said on ITV’s Good Morning Britain last week. There was “no evidence at all that there are any issues in relation to planning a family or fertility,” he added.

And a few more quotes in the article from representatives of professional bodies such as The Royal College of Midwives.
 
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But to what extent does conspiranoia ( :mad: ) influence 'vaccine hesitancy' here?? :hmm:

That factor is scarcely mentioned in the above article, but my hugely strong anti-CT hostility, combined with mine and festivaldeb's lack of any actual knowledge about parenthood and fertility ;) :oops:, still leaves me instinctively suspicious about the conspiracy relevance, if any, to all this .... but have I got that wrong??? :confused:

The more-informed can help out here -- Urban's good for that! :oldthumbsup:
 
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It would be interesting to know what the figures are for all those 50 areas, because I know Worthing was one of them, but as a lower tier local authority area, increases can actually be very small number of cases, and little more than a bit of a blip that corrects itself fairly quickly.

Worthing borough has a population of around 110k, so cases per 100k are fairly close to the actual case totals. We went from 25 per 100k as we came out of the Nov lockdown to 720 in just 5 weeks, almost doubling every week, so I was concerned five days ago when we were seeing a 65% increase in the 7-day average!

But, that took us from 70 to 115, so 'only' 45 extra cases in one week, if that level of increase continued I would be worried, but it's leveling out, seeing that 65% increase drop to about 35% in just the last 5 days, and that increase could well start being a decrease in the next few days, in which case it's nothing more than a little blip on the road to recovery.

I'm not zooming in much at this stage. The important thing is that signs have been there in the data for some time, and after a period where the government didnt draw attention to this and carried on describing the situation in glowing 'rapid decline' terms, they have now felt the need to draw attention to it.

If certain things happen next then maybe it will still be possible, in hindsight, to describe it as a blip, but I wont use that term at this stage since things like ZOE covid are still currently estimating R as being above 1 in a number of regions.
 
Like kabbes said a couple of pages ago people not following what actual rules are actually in place is basically a fuck you to people who are following them. I reserve the right to think badly of selfish people who think they're exempt, especially when it's obvious that people not adhering to rules has caused more infections and deaths than if they'd done what they were asked.
 
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