Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion

[agricola]

This may come as a surprise to the people in China, Hong Kong, Taiwan, South Korea, Vietnam, Australia and New Zealand!

this is the thing - if they do what they appear to want to (according to Whitty's answer where he expected the virus to do the heavy lifting), then UK travellers being in quarantine is going to be a thing for years to come

 

[elbows]

this is the thing - if they do what they appear to want to (according to Whitty's answer where he expected the virus to do the heavy lifting), then UK travellers being in quarantine is going to be a thing for years to come

I think you meant to say vaccine.

Its easily done with these v words. I seem to recall at one press conference Johnson mentioned how the virus needed to be stored at minus 70 in a fridge

 

[elbows]

They indicated that the schools reopening is an experiment they are prepared to risk because of the easter holiday coming after a few weeks.

 

[elbows]

"the crocus of hope"...

When he started coughing I wondered if he was going to croak live on air to give us another reason to be confident about the future.

 

[cupid_stunt]

They indicated that the schools reopening is an experiment they are prepared to risk because of the easter holiday coming after a few weeks.

Indeed, which is an interesting position, not sure it's right, but time will tell.

 

[elbows]

Whitty covered the same 'changed game, changed raio of cases to hospitalisations and deaths' stuff that I've already gone on about, although due to the nature of the question he was asked, he made clear this applies to R too. So the days where the public health and scientific advice rhetoric features 'we must keep R below 1' are indeed over, for now.

 

[IC3D]

He subtly referred to care home staff having having mandatory vaccines there I thought. Not NHS? Unions?

 

[IC3D]

The Carnations of Damnation

 

[Sunray]

I see this as the Government >finally< omg, finally.... listening to their own advisers and not their lunatic backbenchers. Those bunch of morons would open it all now, literally from tomorrow. This can't go wrong for Boris Johnson, I think another lockdown and he would be forced out. This plan works for me.

Vaccinations do work, I just had mine, and they are progressing along nicely. Going to get my second in 12 weeks time. What's the point of having a vaccine if it did nothing? Strong evidence vaccinations are also cutting transmission too. And mixing outside isn't much of a risk, we already knew this before covid-19.

We can all see the calendar, April 12 is still seven long... long locked in weeks away and that's just the beginning of the end.

 

[teqniq]

Already at well over 100,000 signatures:

Petition: Keep schools closed until May

Please don’t send students back until we know we have had the priority groups vaccinated such as the elderly, the extremely clinically vulnerable, and those with underlying health conditions.

petition.parliament.uk

 

[Cloo]

They indicated that the schools reopening is an experiment they are prepared to risk because of the easter holiday coming after a few weeks.

I did wonder about this - but I don't see why you wouldn't leave being in school for another 3 weeks, and thus be back 5 weeks later in likely much better conditions, other than, obviously the great difficulty for many parents.

 

[Sunray]

This is one reason for the push

One vaccine dose gives high protection from severe Covid, evidence shows

First real data from mass vaccinations programmes in England and Scotland is promising

www.theguardian.com

 

[Elpenor]

Not sure where to put this really but my mate, 39, type 1 diabetic, has been invited to get his first jab tomorrow!

 

[Sunray]

They are clearly now well into the 16-65 with a condition bracket, all ages in the vaccination centre this evening.

 

[elbows]

I did wonder about this - but I don't see why you wouldn't leave being in school for another 3 weeks, and thus be back 5 weeks later in likely much better conditions, other than, obviously the great difficulty for many parents.

Because they dont want to u-turn overtly and like the option of trying a part of a term and then having a school holiday to help cool anything down that may have been heating up in terms of large number of infections.

And because despite all the rhetoric about 'data not dates', the plan is still absed on various target dates they would like to hit. And since they promised schools would be the first things to start up again, if they delay that initial phase longer then everything else gets shifted further out. And thats partly because they know that doing too many other things at the same time as reopening schools will make it harder to judge the effect that repoening schools has in isolation, so they dont want to merge too many different relaxations into the initial phase.

 

[Cid]

this is the thing - if they do what they appear to want to (according to Whitty's answer where he expected the virus to do the heavy lifting), then UK travellers being in quarantine is going to be a thing for years to come

I don't think so... Assuming the vaccine is effective, those countries will vaccinate and open back up cautiously. There was never going to be a global zero covid after all, and they are well aware that restricting entry to a handful of safe countries long-term isn't really viable.

 

[elbows]

Not sure where to put this really but my mate, 39, type 1 diabetic, has been invited to get his first jab tomorrow!

They are clearly now well into the 16-65 with a condition bracket, all ages in the vaccination centre this evening.

Yes my 44 year old brother with type 1 diabetes (since childhood) had his first vaccine a little over a week ago.

 

[Weller]

"the crocus of hope"...

Hes now got Chauncey Gardiner
Chance the gardener from Being There writing his political scripts
true to the movie
I was waiting for " As long as the roots are not severed, all is well.and all will be well in the garden " to answer a question about the economy

 

[magneze]

Crowds back at football/clubs reopening on the planned timescale seems very optimistic to me. Surely you need to vaccinate everyone attending first?

I suppose the logic is that a combination of where we are in terms of infections, vaccine reducing transmission and being outside will be OK.

 

[magneze]

Indeed. What could possibly go wrong?

a, b or a and b. But probably z.

 

[Sunray]

Since they are following the advice rather than just making it up as they go, l see the government has published the advice they have got in a wimpy mewing attempt to face down the 60 lunatic anti lockdown backbench MPs. Those twisted fucks are demanding 60-100k people die. What the fuck?

Here is the model of what is going to happen when we open up

Demand from Tory MPs to scrap Covid rules 'could bring huge death toll'

Ending restrictions by May would lead to higher hospital occupancy in England than that seen in January, modelling finds

www.theguardian.com

 

[Supine]

Since they are following the advice rather than just making it up as they go, l see the government has published the advice they have got in a wimpy mewing attempt to face down the 60 lunatic anti lockdown backbench MPs. Those twisted fucks are demanding 60-100k people die. What the fuck?

Here is the model of what is going to happen when we open up

Demand from Tory MPs to scrap Covid rules 'could bring huge death toll'

Ending restrictions by May would lead to higher hospital occupancy in England than that seen in January, modelling finds

www.theguardian.com

I hate to defend the government but that model is for a scenario that isn't happening. Just hypothetical.

 

[hypernormalized]

Since they are following the advice rather than just making it up as they go, l see the government has published the advice they have got in a wimpy mewing attempt to face down the 60 lunatic anti lockdown backbench MPs. Those twisted fucks are demanding 60-100k people die. What the fuck?

Here is the model of what is going to happen when we open up

Demand from Tory MPs to scrap Covid rules 'could bring huge death toll'

Ending restrictions by May would lead to higher hospital occupancy in England than that seen in January, modelling finds

www.theguardian.com

By the time restrictions end, if they end and this isn't yet more "just a few more weeks/months!" guff, ~900,000 people will have spent a decent amount of the final year of their lives under restrictions. So there is that.

 

[Sunray]

I hate to defend the government but that model is for a scenario that isn't happening. Just hypothetical.

Its a model, but these can be fairly accurate and will have been refined over time. Its the model the governments 4 stage plan is based upon.
Chaos is hard to predict accurately. Take long-range weather forecasts as an example. While they are often vague, they are fairly accurate within the parameters of vague.

 

[Supine]

Its the model the governments 4 stage plan is based upon.

It's a model the article specifically says the plan isn't based on.

I'm not saying numbers won't go up, they almost certainly will. But that article isnt directly modelling the actual gov plan.

 

[William of Walworth]

21st June will be crazy!!

Might as well reinstate Glastonbury, , if everything's really going to be back to normal on 21st June!

In reality-grasping mode, , is the more likely and realistic reaction amongst the Festography profession .....

 

[Cloo]

I wonder where return to workplace fits in in this - is that suggested to be after 21 June I wonder? or just leaving it to individual workplaces - I wonder whether some may say people can come in once vaccinated or something.

It seems to me that March and April are riskiest months, in which case for the most part I'd say they are doing the right thing. If cases can be still low at the start of May, on the evidence of last year they're not likely to explode over summer, but I appreciate we can't rely on the evidence of last year.

 

[elbows]

I'm just skimming the document to see if there were any details that didnt leap out at me during the announcements.

In England, travel abroad for holidays will still not be permitted and, from 8 March, outbound travellers will be legally obliged to provide their reason for travel on the Declaration to Travel form.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/963491/COVID-19_Response_-_Spring_2021.pdf

 

[MJ100]

Yeah, its not exactly Brexit-like is it? Political parties can only dream of that level of support.

This pandemic, as expected, did nothing for my faith in systems and power, the establishment and orthodox approaches. But it did a lot of good for my faith in humanity and the ability of people to make informed, rational judgements.

Really? My faith in humanity has been damaged by this whole thing. Panic buying, vaccine diplomacy, selectively enforcing Covid rules for granny sitting on a bench but not for e.g. BLM protests or mass seaside gatherings, the willingness of people to snitch on their neighbours for going out twice a day for exercise, some of the police overreach to individual cases (the two women walking in the woods, drones over the Peaks etc), the willingness of people to accept restrictions (not just sensible ones, but the stupid petty ones too like the Scotch egg farrago) while not knowing if/when they will be repealed, people posing as old ladies to jump the vaccine queue, people peddling deliberate disinformation about vaccines...it's not great, is it?

 

[William of Walworth]

I'm a big fan of lockdowns ceasing ,, but also I'm a big supporter of very cautious scientists advising delay and gradual-ness

AKA -- Common Sense Rocks**!!

**As might (with max-vaccs ), pubs, parties and small, cautious, ,outdoor gigs and festivals by September or so!

Do what those fucking loon-Tory CRG types want though, and we'll be back to January by August!