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MJ100 said:
Really? My faith in humanity has been damaged by this whole thing. Panic buying, vaccine diplomacy, selectively enforcing Covid rules for granny sitting on a bench but not for e.g. BLM protests or mass seaside gatherings, the willingness of people to snitch on their neighbours for going out twice a day for exercise, some of the police overreach to individual cases (the two women walking in the woods, drones over the Peaks etc), the willingness of people to accept restrictions (not just sensible ones, but the stupid petty ones too like the Scotch egg farrago) while not knowing if/when they will be repealed, people posing as old ladies to jump the vaccine queue, people peddling deliberate disinformation about vaccines...it's not great, is it?
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you're just focussing on some petty things tbh. what you got against BLM protests? The one I went to was socially distanced
 
Sue said:
I'm now having library guilt. I took my books back just before lockdown #1 but managed to forget one. It's now nearly a year overdue. :oops: Saying that, I've not had any reminder emails or whatever so... 🤷‍♀️
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I've a couple of travel guides from something I'd planned for last March which are now a year overdue on the original dates. council keeps extending of course.
at least I don't have to feel guilty that someone else might have wanted to take them out in the mean time when they were running click & collect.
 
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MJ100 said:
Really? My faith in humanity has been damaged by this whole thing. Panic buying, vaccine diplomacy, selectively enforcing Covid rules for granny sitting on a bench but not for e.g. BLM protests or mass seaside gatherings, the willingness of people to snitch on their neighbours for going out twice a day for exercise, some of the police overreach to individual cases (the two women walking in the woods, drones over the Peaks etc), the willingness of people to accept restrictions (not just sensible ones, but the stupid petty ones too like the Scotch egg farrago) while not knowing if/when they will be repealed, people posing as old ladies to jump the vaccine queue, people peddling deliberate disinformation about vaccines...it's not great, is it?
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One could be tempted to jump to conclusions about your favoured news outlets.
 
Cloo said:
I wonder where return to workplace fits in in this - is that suggested to be after 21 June I wonder? or just leaving it to individual workplaces - I wonder whether some may say people can come in once vaccinated or something.
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Advice to work from home is certainly listed as part of the first three phases. How that will change for the 4th (June) phase, is addressed in the section about the 4 reviews they will conduct. This quote is from the document I mentioned in my previous post:

Social distancing is difficult and damaging for businesses and, as a result, it is important to return to as near to normal as quickly as possible. Ahead of Step 4, as more is understood about the impact of vaccines on transmission and a far greater proportion of the population has been vaccinated, the Government will complete a review of social distancing measures and other long-term measures that have been put in place to limit transmission. The results of the review will help inform decisions on the timing and circumstances under which rules on 1m+, face masks and other measures may be lifted. The review will also inform guidance on working from home - people should continue to work from home where they can until this review is complete.
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And obviously the previous phases involve various sorts of businesses reopening so a lot of people who were not working either at home or in workplace settings will also end up back in the workplace before we get to stage 4.

It seems to me that March and April are riskiest months, in which case for the most part I'd say they are doing the right thing. If cases can be still low at the start of May, on the evidence of last year they're not likely to explode over summer, but I appreciate we can't rely on the evidence of last year.
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Yes a lot of last years evidence will reflect the different timing of wave then. If last years wave had been earlier, and so ended earlier then lockdown easing would also have ended up being earlier. Following on from that we might then have expected the resurgence of the virus to also have started earlier. But thats an oversimplification too because timing of other things like the normal education holidays would still have been the same, and we'd have had more time to see what the resurgence would have looked like without various student components. And in terms of hospitalisation and deaths there seem to be certain tipping points, below which the level of hospitalisations and death doesnt really heat up so quickly.
 
MJ100 said:
Really? My faith in humanity has been damaged by this whole thing. Panic buying, vaccine diplomacy, selectively enforcing Covid rules for granny sitting on a bench but not for e.g. BLM protests or mass seaside gatherings, the willingness of people to snitch on their neighbours for going out twice a day for exercise, some of the police overreach to individual cases (the two women walking in the woods, drones over the Peaks etc), the willingness of people to accept restrictions (not just sensible ones, but the stupid petty ones too like the Scotch egg farrago) while not knowing if/when they will be repealed, people posing as old ladies to jump the vaccine queue, people peddling deliberate disinformation about vaccines...it's not great, is it?
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We asked whether people believed your attempts to introduce yourself by posing as a fan of my pandemic output apart from the insults. Given that the majority of what you seem to stand for in this pandemic is the opposite of my view and my emphasis.

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My survey also says fuck off, I wont be responding to you again so dont bother talking to me.
 
elbows said:
My survey also says fuck off, I wont be responding to you again so dont bother talking to me.
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Well thanks for confirming what I thought you were really like. No need to be so rude and arrogant, is there? Just because you personally didn't have your faith in humanity shaken but can't accept that others have? What exactly is your problem with what I've been saying, hm? I've said nothing offensive, nothing crazy. Read my other posts before you insult me for no reason. Wanker.

I don't expect a reply but I did expect (or hope for) better from you. Guess it's just another reason to lose a little more faith in humanity. I'll still find your data useful, even if nothing else.
 
MJ100 said:
Really? My faith in humanity has been damaged by this whole thing. Panic buying, vaccine diplomacy, selectively enforcing Covid rules for granny sitting on a bench but not for e.g. BLM protests or mass seaside gatherings, the willingness of people to snitch on their neighbours for going out twice a day for exercise, some of the police overreach to individual cases (the two women walking in the woods, drones over the Peaks etc), the willingness of people to accept restrictions (not just sensible ones, but the stupid petty ones too like the Scotch egg farrago) while not knowing if/when they will be repealed, people posing as old ladies to jump the vaccine queue, people peddling deliberate disinformation about vaccines...it's not great, is it?
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You gotta stop reading the Daily mail.
 
Orang Utan said:
you're just focussing on some petty things tbh. what you got against BLM protests? The one I went to was socially distanced
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There are a lot of petty things that people have focused on regarding anti-lockdown stuff, too. I didn't say I had anything against BLM protests, but it's interesting that you'd pick that out when I also mentioned beach gatherings. The protest you went to may have been socially distanced but from what I understand, mass gatherings for protesting are currently banned, aren't they? That has to apply to BLM, Extinction Rebellion, etc, as well as the anti-lockdown and anti-vax protests (which were treated with fairly tough measures, lots of fines etc), or any other group that might organise something. Were the organisers of the BLM protests fined in the same way that Piers Corbyn was, for instance?
 
MJ100 said:
There are a lot of petty things that people have focused on regarding anti-lockdown stuff, too. I didn't say I had anything against BLM protests, but it's interesting that you'd pick that out when I also mentioned beach gatherings. The protest you went to may have been socially distanced but from what I understand, mass gatherings for protesting are currently banned, aren't they? That has to apply to BLM, Extinction Rebellion, etc, as well as the anti-lockdown and anti-vax protests (which were treated with fairly tough measures, lots of fines etc), or any other group that might organise something. Were the organisers of the BLM protests fined in the same way that Piers Corbyn was, for instance?
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No - the anti-lockdown protests were much later and the people were peddling dangerous misinformation and refusing to wear masks and socially distance
 
MJ100 said:
Well thanks for confirming what I thought you were really like. No need to be so rude and arrogant, is there? Just because you personally didn't have your faith in humanity shaken but can't accept that others have? What exactly is your problem with what I've been saying, hm? I've said nothing offensive, nothing crazy. Read my other posts before you insult me for no reason. Wanker.

No I don't expect a reply but I did hope for better from you. Guess it's another reason to lose a little more faith in humanity.
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who are you replying to?
 
Orang Utan said:
No - the anti-lockdown protests were much later and the people were peddling dangerous misinformation and refusing to wear masks and socially distance
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Well if the BLM protests happened when it was legal to protest, then fair enough. I just thought the law was changed way back to make it illegal at the moment. Also I'm not sure peddling dangerous misinformation is grounds for stopping a protest happening in the first place, is it?
 
MJ100 said:
That was quoting Elbows' post after he told me to fuck off for apparently disagreeing with his stance (even though the moderator yesterday said disagreeing with someone was no reason to make a new poster feel unwelcome).
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we also have a low tolerance of smallmindedness
 
MJ100 said:
Well if the BLM protests happened when it was legal to protest, then fair enough. I just thought the law was changed way back to make it illegal at the moment. Also I'm not sure peddling dangerous misinformation is grounds for stopping a protest happening in the first place, is it?
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it is if they're also deliberately spreading their pox about
 
I guess not everyone saw the early bit of the pandemic where I was warned that I was coming across as pompous. Which gave me the chance to explain my priorities in terms of my pandemic commentary, and how little of a shit I gave about how I came across, an answer that itself probably took my pomposity to new peaks. If I want to be loved its for being useful at certain points, not for being lovable.
 
MJ100 said:
There are a lot of petty things that people have focused on regarding anti-lockdown stuff, too. I didn't say I had anything against BLM protests, but it's interesting that you'd pick that out when I also mentioned beach gatherings. The protest you went to may have been socially distanced but from what I understand, mass gatherings for protesting are currently banned, aren't they? That has to apply to BLM, Extinction Rebellion, etc, as well as the anti-lockdown and anti-vax protests (which were treated with fairly tough measures, lots of fines etc), or any other group that might organise something. Were the organisers of the BLM protests fined in the same way that Piers Corbyn was, for instance?
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You've got your timeline a bit confused.
 
Orang Utan said:
we also have a low tolerance of smallmindedness
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Not sure what you mean by that. Just because someone disagrees with the length of lockdowns, or the speed of reopening, or any other individual aspect of something, doesn't make them small minded. If you read some of my other posts you'll see that I agreed that the lockdowns were necessary but that they needed to be properly supported, etc. Is that not what most people here also think? A difference of opinion does not make one small minded. In fact it's the willingness to consider those other opinions that broadens the mind, surely?
 
editor said:
You've got your timeline a bit confused.
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Well as I said in another reply to Orang Utan, if the timeline is off and BLM protests were legal at the time then that's fair enough. I can't remember when the government changed the law to make protesting illegal.
 
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