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As others have said far to many people out and about. Traffic on my street from 6:30 to 8:30 this morning pretty close to normal. Traffic on Google maps showing lots of amber and red for London at the moment. During first lockdown all of London was green on maps.
 
Regarding what I just said, I suppose my biggest problem with the 'it will end up with flu in terms of ongoing vaccination programmes being required' scenario is that such expectations foster a lack of ambition about what can be achieved, and enables a pretty dull and narrow line of orthodox thinking to remain in place.

My own default thinking on such matters would be along the lines that humans perceive viruses in terms of their implications for humanity, and on that front most of the potential from pandemic viruses stems from the fact they are new to our bodies. And that the passage of time means that gradually this aspect will diminish and the numbers game will change as the virus loses its novelty. eg it could still be killing some people for the rest of my life but I'd hope the burden in terms of number of hospitalisations ultimately ends up being rather different to where we are today.
 
TopCat said:
This press conference tonight. Is this to announce new restrictions? Asking for a friend.
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Default assumption is that its just to underline what wa said yesterday and face some questioning about it. With a few new charts showing hospital doom etc. Maybe some new slogans and graphics but I'm not sure to what extent they can be bothered with that anymore.

Its always possible that new specific detail of this lockdown may emerge in such press conferences, but even for this u-turning government it might be unusual for large changes to happen one day after the previous massive u-turn. Not unless they've gotten new data and analysis very recently which revealed another area they have to go further with.

In terms of things that have been mentioned in the press but probably not formally announced yet, I think some travel/border testing regime has been mentioned but not finalised yet, so that will probably get its moment in the spotlight at some point.
 
There will no doubt be some new "news" such as more troops helping with vaccines or whatever thing makes it seem like they're working hard.
 
elbows said:
Default assumption is that its just to underline what wa said yesterday and face some questioning about it. With a few new charts showing hospital doom etc. Maybe some new slogans and graphics but I'm not sure to what extent they can be bothered with that anymore.

Its always possible that new specific detail of this lockdown may emerge in such press conferences, but even for this u-turning government it might be unusual for large changes to happen one day after the previous massive u-turn. Not unless they've gotten new data and analysis very recently which revealed another area they have to go further with.

In terms of things that have been mentioned in the press but probably not formally announced yet, I think some travel/border testing regime has been mentioned but not finalised yet, so that will probably get its moment in the spotlight at some point.
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Yeah, emphasize what was said last night is my guess. But I do think we might also get some news re: fatality, more on infectiousness, and vaccine efficacy for the new variants at some point very soon though.
 
Flavour said:
All these shops not enforcing mask regulations need to be named and shamed publically, its complicity in manslaughter on a massive scale. I continue to be flabbergasted at the thought people are going into shops without masks in the UK
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I'd say it's >80% of all the corner shops in the two boroughs I live and work in not actively enforcing. Dunno about chain supermarkets. The one I use doesn't seem to enforce but most shoppers seem to comply.
 
Boudicca said:
Do you think it varies by supermarket?

I started using Lidl & Aldi when I moved house and had both within walking distance to my house. Since March, I have shopped a lot more at M&S and Waitrose, because we middle class old ladies all wear masks and are respectful of each other. I also use the 'big Tesco' which has wide aisles and is still policing numbers of people in store and face mask wearing.

My local Lidl is particularly bad, lots of people not wearing masks and long queues at the self service tills. They have definitely lost my business because of this, but I guess all the supermarkets will be doing well with less eating out. And obviously limiting the number of people who come in has an effect on sales.
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I do. Asda has been the worst supermarket for masks and distancing for me. It was horrible last time I went in.
Tesco the most crowded and Sainsburys has felt the safest.
 
I go to Sainsburys but not till their last hour of trading. More staff than customers & I avoid them too if I can.
 
Flavour said:
All these shops not enforcing mask regulations need to be named and shamed publically, its complicity in manslaughter on a massive scale. I continue to be flabbergasted at the thought people are going into shops without masks in the UK
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I understand and share people's concerns about this, but it needs to be remembered that in practice the burden of attempting to "enforce" such regulations falls primarily on poorly paid shop staff who really shouldn't be put in this position.

But I that supermarket chains should certainly be doing more, including employing extra security staff to focus specifically on this if necessary.
 
I see Sunak is saying the Clown was decisive?
Just because you say something, doesn't make it true.
Boris can't make his mind up on anything, so no Sunak he's not decisive, he was just forced into it.
 
andysays said:
I understand and share people's concerns about this, but it needs to be remembered that in practice the burden of attempting to "enforce" such regulations falls primarily on poorly paid shop staff who really shouldn't be put in this position.

But I that supermarket chains should certainly be doing more, including employing extra security staff to focus specifically on this if necessary.
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Yes, I agree re: the burden falling on staff. That's precisely why they need back up from the government making it the law that people wear masks in enclosed public spaces e.g. shops.
 
Bahnhof Strasse said:
Am so fucking angry right now, just had a client call asking if he and his two kids can leave the U.K. tonight (no, all flights have gone). They are due to fly to the U.S. tomorrow and are waiting on their PCR results later tonight, two of them have had it recently and failed the test last week. He asked where can one go with no test, I said Mexico is the only place I know that doesn’t require a test. And this man replies,

“OK, if one of us tests positive we’ll go to Cancun instead.”

Knowing that one person is positive he thinks it’s fine to take a 10 hour flight.

Bending rules is one thing, but fuck me, what a cunt.
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Update on this, all their tests came back this morning as negative and they left for the US in an almost legit manner. But still, will not be forgetting that in a long while.
 
It was my first day back in work yesterday. Found out yet another tenant had been infected. These are all the people who were laughing at me, btw, when I went back in after lockdown1 and was trying to socially distance from them. Oh dear, how sad, never fucking mind, dickheads.

Anyway, have took it upon meself to wfh again. No word from boss, no surprise there, and there's shag all he can say about it.

Traffic and people numbers just the same round here too.
 
This time around, we've managed to get into the delivery system.
We've not wanted to mingle in the shops locally, especially as we have a case rate locally that's been kicking around 1500 per 100,000 in a town and hinterland with less than 5,000 population at the last census. And some vocal & active ant-maskers ...
OH has booked a slot 10 days ahead, but we're still doing the order for tomorrow night. But with four of us, there's still a lot things we need. It's only when you bulk up like this that you realise just how much you eat ... especially milk for coffee and tea !
 
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