Common Purpose - a fraudulent political 'charity'

[HarrisonSlade]

If you type in Common Purpose into Google and you'll come across the BNP article on them.

So what? Every organisation has some funny bed fellows. As I am actively anti EU and Globalisation, I leave myself open to this kind of kneejerk claptrap. I am sure that there are many members of the CPGB who believe that homosexuals aren't useful to society, and that the Tianaman Square massacre was necessary.
I know only a little about Common Purpose, but know that they do have a wealth of extremely powerful people backing them, and that they do seem to being a little bit dodgy.

Just because members of the BNP (who I trust more than New Labour) have mentioned them, does not mean that they don't warrant invstigating.

 

[TomPaine]

I used to work for them in a past incarnation.

What where they called back then?

I wouldn't mind knowing a bit more about them, as considering they use the Chatham house rules on their little training courses, I would have thought this was ripe for abuse of public funds?

From your experience do you think they are a waste of tax payers cash?

 

[Das Uberdog]

I am sure that there are many members of the CPGB who believe that homosexuals aren't useful to society, and that the Tianaman Square massacre was necessary

Then you'd be wrong.

 

[butchersapron]

Except maybne for bettany.

Harrioson you really are a proper tool.

 

[articul8]

Is this StopCN conspiracy theory, related to David Icke and his "theories"?

He speaks for 3 hours on here:
http://www.edgemediatv.com/article001_icke.html

Conspiralunacy seems to have some relationship with psychosis and schizophrenia

 

[TomPaine]

StopCN conspiracy theory, related to David Icke and his "theories"?

No as far as I am aware the story of how all this started goes.... a couple of years back a guy called Brian Gerrish who is an ex-Naval officer and was a member of UKIP was running a charity down in Plymouth that helped kids/unemployed folks to learn new skills by repairing boats.
Anyway for some reason his funding got cut off so he decided to investigate why, and what he uncovered was that this CP group had trained (*cough* ripped off) lots of people involved in the public sector.

From what I can gather from there on, he came to the conclusion some how that it was some form of fabian socialist organisation that was being used to push through pro-EU/New Labour policies through the back door..... then at some point after that it decended into complete loonacy with talk of Maddy McCann being involved, lizards, the Illuminati and god knows what else....

There where some serious people involved in checking it out i.e. the Tory MP (if you could call a Tory MP serious), but I think most people who saw it as a problem because of the waste of public funds have probably stayed away from it now as it has attracted all sorts of fuckwits.

I personally think they are the offshoot of all the crap labour seemed to fund like RDAs and what have you, just more spunking of public funds on shite.

 

[LJo]

What where they called back then?

I wouldn't mind knowing a bit more about them, as considering they use the Chatham house rules on their little training courses, I would have thought this was ripe for abuse of public funds?

From your experience do you think they are a waste of tax payers cash?

I meant one of my past incarnations

Well, the deal with CP is this. They had - still have, I daresay - this whole ridiculous philosophy about the 'brand' remaining 'exclusive' and actually seemed to get off on the fact that nobody outside the organisation and its graduates really knew what went on. The idea was to keep middle-manager riff-raff idiots from the programmes and only have the cream of the nation's management and leadership idiots.

The whole thing is so Emperor's New Clothes, it's ridiculous. Basically all that happens on a CP course is a series of themed days eg health, education, crime, housing etc. On each day there are expert speakers about the day's issues. The participants usually have to take part in several twee little exercises, eg pretending to design a new housing estate, etc. This makes them all feel very good about themselves. Then they all have dinner and do the networking thing. So far, so local Chamber of Commerce.

Is it a waste of taxpayers' money? Well, the money that comes from the taxpayer, yes. There are quite a few private sector participants whose companies pay, however. And there are bursary places available. To be honest, there's worse mismanagement going on in every local council - see this week's Private Eye for the amount one council is spending on neurolinguistic programming, for example.

CP has wasted far more Lottery money than they have taxpayers money. I fear that to say more would be libellous so I will stop there.

They are also notoriously bad at dealing with anyone who doesn't conform to the CP ideal once they're in the company, and it seems that this tone of arrogance has fed downwards into all their dealings.

They are not as clever as they think they are, and they are really nowhere near as important as they and, it would appear, the loonspuds, think they are.

 

[TomPaine]

They are not as clever as they think they are, and they are really nowhere near as important as they and, it would appear, the loonspuds, think they are.

haha I suppose one thing about the nutters out there, is it sounds like they are giving them a hard time, which is worth a laugh in itself!

 

[laptop]

see this week's Private Eye for the amount one council is spending on neurolinguistic programming, for example.

 

[LJo]

I am rather surprised that Mr Stop CP has not been back.

Come now, Mr Stop CP, as a fearless investigator of The Truth, do you not feel like asking an ex-employee of CP anything at all?

Mind you, I suppose anything I say will be judged as part of The Conspiracy...

 

[TomPaine]

I would have thought he would welcome the information you provided lol

 

[HackneyE9]

I meant one of my past incarnations

Well, the deal with CP is this. They had - still have, I daresay - this whole ridiculous philosophy about the 'brand' remaining 'exclusive' and actually seemed to get off on the fact that nobody outside the organisation and its graduates really knew what went on. The idea was to keep middle-manager riff-raff idiots from the programmes and only have the cream of the nation's management and leadership idiots.

The whole thing is so Emperor's New Clothes, it's ridiculous. Basically all that happens on a CP course is a series of themed days eg health, education, crime, housing etc. On each day there are expert speakers about the day's issues. The participants usually have to take part in several twee little exercises, eg pretending to design a new housing estate, etc. This makes them all feel very good about themselves. Then they all have dinner and do the networking thing. So far, so local Chamber of Commerce.

Is it a waste of taxpayers' money? Well, the money that comes from the taxpayer, yes. There are quite a few private sector participants whose companies pay, however. And there are bursary places available. To be honest, there's worse mismanagement going on in every local council - see this week's Private Eye for the amount one council is spending on neurolinguistic programming, for example.

CP has wasted far more Lottery money than they have taxpayers money. I fear that to say more would be libellous so I will stop there.

They are also notoriously bad at dealing with anyone who doesn't conform to the CP ideal once they're in the company, and it seems that this tone of arrogance has fed downwards into all their dealings.

They are not as clever as they think they are, and they are really nowhere near as important as they and, it would appear, the loonspuds, think they are.

So it's just a local govt/PFI firms version of the British-American Partnership and all those semi-spook thintanks and networking groups, then?

Basically, as long as you're liberal, Atlantacist, Oxbridge and New Labourish, you'll fit in fine?

 

[TomPaine]

They are also notoriously bad at dealing with anyone who doesn't conform to the CP ideal once they're in the company, and it seems that this tone of arrogance has fed downwards into all their dealings.

What exactly is the CP ideal?

 

[LJo]

What exactly is the CP ideal?

"Everything CP does is great, all the time, with no exceptions. In particular, everything that the CEO thinks of is brilliant."

Hackney E9 - yes, pretty good summary. (Though not quite sure what you mean by 'semi-spook'.)

 

[TomPaine]

I find it a real "surprise" that their CEO worked for Prescott, and all of a sudden they are bagging millions a year from the public purse in training courses ... sure it was just good luck.... oh and this in my opinion is a prime reason why the charitable status gets abused, because these people blatantly do not seem like a education charity.

 

[LJo]

Well, if you look at their audited accounts, which are online, you'll see it's very far from 'millions.'

If you want examples of people who are taking serious millions from the public purse through Government contacts, I'd get far more pissed off about Crapita et al than CP.

 

[Prince Rhyus]

Well, if you look at their audited accounts, which are online, you'll see it's very far from 'millions.'

If you want examples of people who are taking serious millions from the public purse through Government contacts, I'd get far more pissed off about Crapita et al than CP.

Exactly - too many of the usual suspects who seem to be in an oligopoly regarding training and development - and the stupid amounts of money spent on refreshments.

 

[TomPaine]

Well, if you look at their audited accounts, which are online, you'll see it's very far from 'millions.'

Seems like they made at least a few mill in the last few years though if you add it up. A few million better spent on other things.

If you want examples of people who are taking serious millions from the public purse through Government contacts, I'd get far more pissed off about Crapita et al than CP.

Unfortunatly I know all too well what Crapita are like and agree with you 100% here. Can't really say anymore, but I wouldn't hire them.

 

[HackneyE9]

Hackney E9 - yes, pretty good summary. (Though not quite sure what you mean by 'semi-spook'.)

I mean the state, and the secret state, has its tentacles in those organisations to keep rewarding career prospects open to those who toe the Washington/free markets parameters.

I _don't_ mean you'll meet James Bond there, or even some old master of an Oxbridge college who taps you up for MI6 over sherry.