Don't know, depends if internalise it or wear it proudly maybe?
I thought there was a XR network of volunteers to support those who arrested. Thought too that they urge people who might suffer or be victimised not to put themselves forward to be arrested.
Is there social capital to being marginalised? Does that happen? (I'm old and we used to being treated like scum) I suppose lgbtq became fashionable at some point - is that what you mean?
it's possible there have been such groups, but if so the group of about twenty people i saw in court at city of london magistrates a couple of years back slipped through their net, as none of them had ever encountered this support and no one from xr turned up to offer even moral support. the group of people i saw getting convicted came from a range of backgrounds, including a couple of pensioners. it's disgraceful that the organisation that encouraged them to risk arrest did nothing to support them when they were arrested, charged, and prosecuted.
That is sad to hear. I'm sure we can find fault with every organisation of protest that has ever existed. I still find it hopeful that XR exist and are raising awareness of and fighting climate change in creative ways.
i don't think it's nit picking to raise in response to a post about xr how shoddily they treat people arrested on their protests when they're in the courts. after all, one of the aims of xr was to clog up the courts with arrestees from their demos, it's not oops we never thought about people facing magistrates. they just don't care.
This isn't a thread about the operational inadequacy of a particular group. Isn't there an XR thread somewhere? Go bother that.
i wasn't commenting on the operational inadequacy of the group. i was directly replying to ViolentPanda and then to you when you asked me a question. if you don't want to read it then don't ask for it.
I can only speak about XR Lambeth, who have always had a laudable support system for when their people are arrested - possibly because some of their activists are of our vintage, & have seen plenty of other action.
Are you into Messiaen? (Just asking)
very glad to hear that
reason for asking - this extraordinary work composed to be performed in Stalag VIII-A in 1941.
www.bbc.co.uk
more fuel to the 'double bind' theory?I'm finding this series "not without interest". Is Psychiatry working? (Radio4)
Part 1 was about being initially diagnosed - contrasting the experience of the middleclass white presenter, who had a manic psychosis leading to hospitalisation. I could relate to that, having been poisoned by the Russians shortly after Blair won the 1997 general election. There was another participant who as a black teenager also had psychosis leading to him taking a knife to school - which led him into the criminal justice system (for understandable reasons).
Part 2 today dwelt on detention in hospital. What kind of intrigued me is there were many words from Dr Shubalade Smith - old time consultant at the Maudsley, and now CBE, MBBS, FRSM, MD, FRCPsych - and with a private practice at the Sloane Court Clinic - top of her lisitgngs on Google. I had a run in with her around 2001 (as a result of a weird GP/patient blow up) but she listened, and actually somehow I got onto a detailed CBT trial for lithium users and non/other medicated people a coupe of years later which was very interesting and helpful.
Anyway Dr Shubulade was going on about schizophrenia in black people - newly arrived, first generation and in effect "indigenous". As though this was new. I'm sure I've got an old VHS cassette somewhere of a Horizon BBC2 programme on exactly this topic. From around 1989. Plus ca change as they say in Sloan Court!
Possibly this series may continue to interest - I think there are 4 more episodes, and being sound only probably on the BBC Sounds thingee for a year.
BBC Radio 4 - Is Psychiatry Working?, Detention
Is the system for detention in psychiatric care working?www.bbc.co.uk
Shubulade Smith is what might be called "eclectic" rather than Laingian. From the Sloane Court Clinic website:
Dunno - but last summer someone jumped under a train at LJ on a Sunday morning and was killed.
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I did Sociology at Manchester under Professor Peter Worsley in 1972 - a Maoist so extreme he had to show his Chinese operas in the Friends Meeting House.
I did Sociology at Manchester under Professor Peter Worsley in 1972 - a Maoist so extreme he had to show his Chinese operas in the Friends Meeting House.
eg The Red Detachment of Women etc
Notwithstanding our first term was devoted to "Suicide" by Emile Durkheim.
This is actually like a Lib Dem or Green Party tract (of 404 pages!)
Durkheim saw suicide as of four types:
Egoistic suicide.
Altruistic suicide.
Anomic suicide.
Fatalistic suicide.
Egoistic suicide relates to the person being alone or an outsider and subsequently they see themselves alone within the world. This type of person has a low social interaction with others. This seems to be the ones we worry about and perhaps identify with.
Altruistic suicide is when social group involvement is too high, expectation from a group is being met at a very high level such as a sacrifice for a cult or religion. Another example would be a suicide bomber - or a soldier taking the bullet for a comrade.
Anomic suicide relates to a low degree of regulation and this kind of suicide is carried out during periods of considerable stress and frustration. The example we were given was Marylin Monroe to fans at the top of her profession, but to herself a victim of circumstances with no prospect of a better life
Fatalistic suicide is when people are kept under tight regulation. Where there is extreme rule in order or high expectations set upon a person or peoples in which lead them to a sense of no self or individuality. I guess this might be someone who killed themselves in a public school, or maybe (in these days) people imbibing social media critiques of their body shape or identity.
Doesn't answer your question - but certainly women seem less likely to finish the job so to speak.
