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hiraethified
Sorry could you explain exactly how the "the mass movement of iron ore ....destabilizes the planets orbit".
Where are you getting this shit from?
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Where are you getting this shit from?
2.6 billion metric tons of iron is produced each year on the planet earth & most of it moves from were it was mined, to the production factory & to the end destination, mainly the comerical hubs of the earth.
But it does not matter, we are on an ending circuit of change, one day the energy will stop so we must focus our minds on the present & ways to show the populase that a individual life is non existence, rather a united life is more !
We are a body of humans traversing this universal space & its greedy individuals that are breaking up our community that is the real danger
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hiraethified
Exactly where did you get this ludicrous notion that the earth's orbit is being destabilised?2.6 billion metric tons of iron is produced each year on the planet earth & most of it moves from were it was mined, to the production factory & to the end destination, mainly the comerical hubs of the earth.
But it does not matter, we are on an ending circuit of change, one day the energy will stop so we must focus our minds on the present & ways to show the populase that a individual life is non existence, rather a united life is more !
We are a body of humans traversing this universal space & its greedy individuals that are breaking up our community that is the real danger
The earth weights 5.97 billion trillion metric tons, if 2.6 billion tons was moved each year from it's center of gravity, would that not have an effect on the orbit ?
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Climate crisis has shifted the Earth’s axis, study shows
Massive melting of glaciers has tilted the planet’s rotation, showing the impact of human activities
The entire earth's crust is estimated to make up roughly 1% of the earth's total mass, how would moving a small percentage of the crust's mass as iron ore disrupt the earth's orbit?
I haven't seen the Carlin video, I remember him being unhelpful on this subject (not surprising given how much less was known about climate change then), we don't need to save the earth, it'll carry on regardless, climate change is going to put a lot of biological life at risk of death, and extinction, that's what needs to be addressed.
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hiraethified
That has NOTHING to do with iron ore.Climate crisis has shifted the Earth’s axis, study shows
Massive melting of glaciers has tilted the planet’s rotation, showing the impact of human activitieswww.theguardian.com
Iron ore is made into steel,
Steel is used to build massive structures that rise out of the planet which has a measured effect on the surrounding environment.
Every thing on this planet effects the planet
From the tallest building to the smallest microorganism.
I've just picked a very obvious climate change changer.
The majority of humans are hungry for change because there brainwashed by advertisements & unfortunately & ultimately that includes climate change.
Anyway all this talk about climate change policies around the world is utter nonsense when its the continuing expansion of human greed that is causing all this to happen, humans won't be here in a million years but our planet will so the climate change in the long run doesn't matter to our planet.
Imagine your in a boat heading towards a massive waterfall on a powerful river, the boat starts to take on water ! What do you do ? Jump over board ? Start bailing the water out so you don't sink ? Or just sit back & enjoy the view ?
The water represents the planet, the boat represents humans ideas of what should be, so human activity is having an effect on the climate, so is the worms activity & just because we can measure that effect its causing alot of fuss about something that's beyond us. Imagine wearing a watch that counts down to your death, what good would it be ? Apart from driving you mad every time you looked at it.
our values are screwed up, the only reason the climate change policies are been talked about now is the elites of the world are realising the change of weather in there high mountain top mansions & the snow doesn't look quite as nice when its melted.
They have realised that their greed will eventually catch up with them & now there trying to convince the rest of us it's our fault for driving capitalism down our throats.
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Cities and climate change: why low-rise buildings are the future – not skyscrapers
New research has found that low-rise urban environments are more space and carbon efficient than high-rise buildings which have a drastically higher carbon impact.
theconversation.com
Impact of tall buildings in environmental pollution
AGRICULTURAL SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY INFORMATION
agris.fao.org
Scientists ID three causes of Earth's spin axis drift - NASA Science
NASA has identified three processes responsible for wobbles in Earth's axis of rotation: ice mass loss primarily in Greenland, glacial rebound, and mantle convection.
climate.nasa.gov
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LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Like when someone took out your brain and it keeps making you spin about weirdly?
In general, the redistribution of mass on and within Earth -- like changes to land, ice sheets, oceans and mantle flow -- affects the planet's rotation. As temperatures increased throughout the 20th century, Greenland's ice mass decreased. In fact, a total of about 7,500 gigatons -- the weight of more than 20 million Empire State Buildings -- of Greenland's ice melted into the ocean during this time period. This makes Greenland one of the top contributors of mass being transferred to the oceans, causing sea level to rise and, consequently, a drift in Earth's spin axis.
Scientists ID three causes of Earth's spin axis drift - NASA Science
NASA has identified three processes responsible for wobbles in Earth's axis of rotation: ice mass loss primarily in Greenland, glacial rebound, and mantle convection.
climate.nasa.gov
Which came first the egg or the chicken ?
Is the world ready for mass migration due to climate change?
With up to three billion people expected to be displaced by climate change by 2100, does there need to be a shift in the way we think about national borders, asks Gaia Vince?
www.bbc.com
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I know, but Iron ore that makes steel has weight to it also & it is being displaced just like the water.
It takes a lot of energy to move that 1%, Seriously !!!
What is the carbon footprint of steel? — Sustainable Ships
Weighted average carbon footprint of steel is 1.85* tons CO2 to 1 tonne steel produced according to Mckinsey and the World Steel Association
www.sustainable-ships.org
Energy consumption in the iron and steel sector by scenario – Charts – Data & Statistics - IEA
Energy consumption in the iron and steel sector by scenario - Chart and data by the International Energy Agency.
www.iea.org
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2hats
Dust.
No mention of iron ore extraction, nor indeed any mining activity, there. The paper points out longitudinal dynamical effects of secular mass redistribution in the hydrosphere and the mantle. Diurnal anthropogenic contributions to mass relocation are insignificant. Your bowel movements have an effect but one that is too small to measure and is also ultimately swamped at planetary scale.In general, the redistribution of mass on and within Earth -- like changes to land, ice sheets, oceans and mantle flow -- affects the planet's rotation. As temperatures increased throughout the 20th century, Greenland's ice mass decreased. In fact, a total of about 7,500 gigatons -- the weight of more than 20 million Empire State Buildings -- of Greenland's ice melted into the ocean during this time period. This makes Greenland one of the top contributors of mass being transferred to the oceans, causing sea level to rise and, consequently, a drift in Earth's spin axis.
Scientists ID three causes of Earth's spin axis drift - NASA Science
NASA has identified three processes responsible for wobbles in Earth's axis of rotation: ice mass loss primarily in Greenland, glacial rebound, and mantle convection.
Aquamarine
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See Levelling-up and Regeneration Bill: reforms to national planning policy
I've copied, pasted and slightly edited this post about an important consultation that urbanites might like to respond to - apologies if it is already on the boards elsewhere. One relevant aspect is the section "Climate change mitigation: exploring a form of carbon assessment" and specifically question 39:
"Q.39: What method and actions could provide a proportionate and effective means of undertaking a carbon impact assessment that would incorporate all measurable carbon demand created from plan-making and planning decisions?"
Linked here is the work of some campaigning groups, building on SSM's work on conducting a carbon impact assessment of the Greater Manchester spatial plan, Places for Everyone and development of a Carbon and Planning Workbook for community campaigners. There is also the lone example of the Greater Cambridge plan, which did commission a quantitative carbon impact assessment for its spatial options.
Others, particularly those with research or practice interests in carbon metrics and planning might also like to pitch in.
There are a number of other questions worth responding to, including things like the role of local communities in planning and "biodiversity net gain".
You can also refer to the government's proposed changes, to date, but the questions (for example the carbon one) go wider. You can find the Government description of changes here, and the NPPF with tracked changes here.
Please do also share with others, who might be interested and able to respond.
I've copied, pasted and slightly edited this post about an important consultation that urbanites might like to respond to - apologies if it is already on the boards elsewhere. One relevant aspect is the section "Climate change mitigation: exploring a form of carbon assessment" and specifically question 39:
"Q.39: What method and actions could provide a proportionate and effective means of undertaking a carbon impact assessment that would incorporate all measurable carbon demand created from plan-making and planning decisions?"
Linked here is the work of some campaigning groups, building on SSM's work on conducting a carbon impact assessment of the Greater Manchester spatial plan, Places for Everyone and development of a Carbon and Planning Workbook for community campaigners. There is also the lone example of the Greater Cambridge plan, which did commission a quantitative carbon impact assessment for its spatial options.
Others, particularly those with research or practice interests in carbon metrics and planning might also like to pitch in.
There are a number of other questions worth responding to, including things like the role of local communities in planning and "biodiversity net gain".
You can also refer to the government's proposed changes, to date, but the questions (for example the carbon one) go wider. You can find the Government description of changes here, and the NPPF with tracked changes here.
Please do also share with others, who might be interested and able to respond.
bcuster
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Greta Thunberg carried off by police during protest in German village
Thunberg, 20, has been participating in a spate of demonstrations this week in Lützerath, a small village owned by utility firm RWE.
nypost.com
That might get a bigger reaction in the world climate articles thread, rather than one on policy.Greta Thunberg carried off by police during protest in German village
Thunberg, 20, has been participating in a spate of demonstrations this week in Lützerath, a small village owned by utility firm RWE.
Car emissions are a major source of pollution we all know this
Insurance companies should make it available to insure your car daily & scrap this yearly no claims bonus as it obstructs people from car pooling.
90% of putting a car on the road is prepaid, i.e. buy car, tax it, insure it & all that's left is to put the fuel in daily
Advertising too sells us this idea of jumping in your brand new BMW & riding off into the sunset, Such bullshite.... ( Talk about a good cock & bull story !!! )
But like good humans we imitate what we aspire to be & ultimately its our planet that pays the price for our conceit.
Insurance companies should make it available to insure your car daily & scrap this yearly no claims bonus as it obstructs people from car pooling.
90% of putting a car on the road is prepaid, i.e. buy car, tax it, insure it & all that's left is to put the fuel in daily
Advertising too sells us this idea of jumping in your brand new BMW & riding off into the sunset, Such bullshite.... ( Talk about a good cock & bull story !!! )
But like good humans we imitate what we aspire to be & ultimately its our planet that pays the price for our conceit.
More and more they're adapting their ads to push EVs in a similar way, with added holier than thou effects.
Electric vehicles do emit less CO2e per mile than diesel or petrol cars. However, given the current grid mix in the UK, they should in no way be sold as even slightly "carbon zero". Being forced to prominently display the emissions, more so than currently, could slightly shift that narrative.
I live rural so having a car is essential, I did try to live without a car & cycled into town, 20km, ended up with sciatica for a month, had to use the car for everything then but if there was better public transport I would definitely use it more
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Insights into who is blocking what currently
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
“delegates from the poorest countries had mostly left by this point, leaving mainly rich countries and the richest economies in the global south to hash out the final wording of a document that will shape, to some degree, how habitable the planet remains for all humans”
And that, just about sums it up.
And that, just about sums it up.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
The French are turning off all electrically-lit advertising between 1 and 6am. I can't see problem with this (turn it off 24/7 to make even bigger savings!), although I suspect the UK government would cave to PR lobbying, should they try to implement something similar.
Sorry, I can't find the English version of the article, although Le Monde does have an English version online.
Sorry, I can't find the English version of the article, although Le Monde does have an English version online.
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