Climate Denial Books - should public libraries stock them?

[Puddy_Tat]

The author of the book has gone out of his way to publishing the personal details of climate scientists and then said they should be publicly flogged.

i wasn't aware of that about this specific loon

there is a line between free speech and hate speech

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I'm interested in what other non-academic books you think must be restricted to academic libraries.

No you're not. You're interested in reading one post in isolation, drawing wild conclusions about it, and ranting in a way intended at belittling the poster concerned.

Fuck off

 

[Orang Utan]

Pickman’s Apprentice

 

[platinumsage]

No you're not. You're interested in reading one post in isolation, drawing wild conclusions about it, and ranting in a way intended at belittling the poster concerned.

Fuck off

If you're going to react like that rather than defend the post you made I can only conclude that you find it indefensible and want to move swiftly on.

FWIW Mein Kampf was in my comprehensive school library, as was Speer's Inside the Third Reich.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

Could have them in the Fiction Section.

Cane on this thread to post this.

I think that as a library has limited space it should strive to have the most helpful resources.

If the library was a mega funded archive of all knowledge then yes it should have everything. It is important to remember all things.

However most libraries have limited shelf space and limited funding. Are we really going to use money and space to host a viewpoint that is both discredited and harmful?

On the flipside I would be all for a government that finds a way to make all publications avaliable digitally through some sort of library app.

 

[bcuster]

Local lending libraries here have converted almost exclusively to online lending.

 

[two sheds]

Cane on this thread to post this.

I think I have that video

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

Local lending libraries here have converted almost exclusively to online lending.

I appreciate the convenience this brings.
As much as I don't actually visit physical libraries much I feel a deep resolution in my soul that they must exist.
I may have gone all in on the kindle but nothing will ever touch the ability to walk though numerous shelves and see the wealth of information avaliable at a touch.

I always want my textbooks to be physical.
Stories I am ok with being digital. They are things to get list in. A path to walk through.
Reference books and the likebi want to bounce around in and digital hasn't got there yet. I still appreciate it as another option but not as a full replacement.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

I think I have that video

 

[Orang Utan]

Local lending libraries here have converted almost exclusively to online lending.

Where’s here?

 

[bcuster]

Where’s here?

USA

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

USA

makes them harder to burn i guess.

 

[Orang Utan]

USA

Well, you should also know that many public libraries remain open and are not just places that lend books. Bricks-and-mortar libraries also fulfil many other important public needs, such as providing free sanctuary for vulnerable citizens, so please don’t diminish their role with such ignorant claims.
your claim isn’t even true

 

[bcuster]

Well, you should also know that many public libraries remain open and are not just places that lend books. Bricks-and-mortar libraries also fulfil many other important public needs, such as providing free sanctuary for vulnerable citizens, so please don’t diminish their role with such ignorant claims.
your claim isn’t even true

It is true. I can only speak anecdotally, my local library has been deserted and keeps only limited hours now…

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

Well, you should also know that many public libraries remain open and are not just places that lend books. Bricks-and-mortar libraries also fulfil many other important public needs, such as providing free sanctuary for vulnerable citizens, so please don’t diminish their role with such ignorant claims.
your claim isn’t even true

I agree with all your concerns and agree with them but I don't think a report of experience is a accreditation of that experience

I think we need to ask bcuster what they think of this before we make any judgement


also no judgement towards you on this. this is a hot button issue and I praise you coming out swinging for your cause.
(\which i'm on the same side of)

 

[JimW]

That Chariot of the Gods nonsense appeared in the library as I recall, though I suppose the theories where more whack than harmful to a live and critical debate.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

That Chariot of the Gods nonsense appeared in the library as I recall, though I suppose the theories where more whack than harmful to a live and critical debate.

Oh man. 17 (or so) year old me found those amazing (not specifically CotG but Graham Hancock stuff). Not quite x-files i want to believe shit but I did buy into some form of deep time human culture. The stuff about the pyramids and sphinx being older than we think was the main bit I hooked into. I was a massive nerd about this kinda shit as a teen. also now, the muon probe leading to the discovery of the north face corridor is amazing. the possibly upper gallery could be mind blowing.

nowadays i am more... this

 

[Sasaferrato]

Of course, opinions of all sorts should be available to everyone , but if they’re full of outright lies designed to mislead people and they’re written in bad faith by grifters
We wouldn’t stock Mein Kampf or any books promulgating ‘racial science’ but we do stock books that advocate pseudoscience, but am not sure where climate change denial books comes in between.
This is the book in question:

Politically Incorrect Guide to Climate Change (The Poli…

*Updated to include new section on the Green New Deal!*…

www.goodreads.com

As you can see from the other books suggested, the publisher is dodgy as fuck and we certainly wouldn’t stock The Politically Incorrect Guide To The South

What a fucking question to ask!

There is no right answer, banning books is wrong, writing books denying climate change is also wrong.

I don't know.

BTW I'm very surprised you don't stock Mein Kampf, it has historical and research value. I take it can be ordered in?

 

[Sasaferrato]

As a child, I got from the library the books of Lobsang Rampa about his life in a Tibetan monastery.

Instead of being written by a Tibetan monk, they were actually by a plumber from Devon. When unmasked, he maintained they were real and his body had been taken over by Rampa.

The books aren't doing any real harm other than giving a false impression of Tibetans and their culture. They're a a pack of lies, but I'm glad the library had them.

Who was the bloke that wrote about his fictitious interaction with a Mexican Shaman? 'Lessons of don Juan' something like that?

Googled it. Carlos Casteneda. I read all the books, was quite impressed, then it was outed as complete fiction.

 

[rubbershoes]

Googled it. Carlos Casteneda. I read all the books, was quite impressed, then it was outed as complete fiction.

If you believed the bit about Don Juan turning himself into a raven (?), I'll have whatever you're smoking

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

Who was the bloke that wrote about his fictitious interaction with a Mexican Shaman? 'Lessons of don Juan' something like that?

Googled it. Carlos Casteneda. I read all the books, was quite impressed, then it was outed as complete fiction.

Also read those.

Was more skeptical of them. Felt far more like fantasy than a documentation of fact.

Mildly entertaining though.

 

[Orang Utan]

I agree with all your concerns and agree with them but I don't think a report of experience is a accreditation of that experience

I think we need to ask bcuster what they think of this before we make any judgement


also no judgement towards you on this. this is a hot button issue and I praise you coming out swinging for your cause.
(\which i'm on the same side of)

It’s not a report of experience. It’s from reading extensively about public libraries, in the USA as well as the UK

 

[Orang Utan]

What a fucking question to ask!

There is no right answer, banning books is wrong, writing books denying climate change is also wrong.

I don't know.

BTW I'm very surprised you don't stock Mein Kampf, it has historical and research value. I take it can be ordered in?

It is available at in the Information and Research department in the central library, but not the branch I work in for the most part.

 

[JimW]

Should imagine a fair bit of the self-help section is pretty questionable.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

It’s not a report of experience. It’s from reading extensively about public libraries, in the USA as well as the UK

Are you talking about you or them?

I was talking about their statement of "Local lending libraries here"

To me that sounds like experience. Although it could easily be media narrative.
Only bc can enlighten us us on that fact.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

Drunk me being aggressively reasonable

 

[newme]

It is true. I can only speak anecdotally, my local library has been deserted and keeps only limited hours now…

Ones especially in the States seem to have branched out into other things, some you can get things like power tools/other equipment out etc, they also seem to have better digital lending then at least I can find locally. Of course this all requires actually funding properly first.

 

[Orang Utan]

Are you talking about you or them?

I was talking about their statement of "Local lending libraries here"

To me that sounds like experience. Although it could easily be media narrative.
Only bc can enlighten us us on that fact.

Me.

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

Tricky question. Let's start with something a bit easier. Should libraries stock the Daily Mail?

 

[Orang Utan]

Tricky question. Let's start with something a bit easier. Should libraries stock the Daily Mail?

The libraries I work in do not stock any newspapers