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Chris Kaba, 24, shot dead by police in Streatham, Mon 5th Sept 2022
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So who are these 'police lickspittles' exactly? Might as well say what you mean for once.
PTK
Paul Kegan
Er. . . well, it was certainly not a judicial killing.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Extra-judicial killings are what the likes of Chris Kaba do on a depressingly regular basis. The communities they do it in live in fear of the next one, its a crap way to live, these people are scum.
Very, very rarely a cop kills someone with a gun in the course of their duties, so far not one killing has been extra-judicial. May well be that the dice are loaded well in favour of the cops, but the fact remains that it is the Chris Kabas of this world who commit extra-judicial killings on an almost daily basis, where's the protests against that? Where's the community anger against these roaming killers?
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
The only cause for depression is the number of people here who don't understand what extra judicial means.
petee
no gods, no malarkey
Giuliani's insight here (in NYC) was that the people most affected by crimes were the peope in the neighborhood. That's why he spread city services out from neighborhoods like mine to those objectively (by any measure) underserved. anyone here can guess my attitude towards Giuliani but he did this and it's why he was re-elected.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
I really don't know enough about what happened there, but from what I did see was that he was a pretty good mayor in getting crime down. Dunno why he lost his mind and poured his life down the shitter for Trump, but people will be people, I guess.
petee
no gods, no malarkey
he was always a bit of a goon but he damaged the mob badly when he was Southern District head, and he seemed to understand petty crime issues in a non-racialist way. he hired smart and (for cops, mind) unconventional people, William Bratton - Wikipedia and Jack Maple - Wikipedia, and then got pissy when those guys got the credit, as they shoud have, and he fired them.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Just to ask are you in Brixton area?
As this is Brixton forum.
I've lived in and around Brixton since 82.
And been a regular on this section of U75
Forgive me if Im getting you wrong but you appear to be giving me a lecture as though I don't live in one of those communities your going on about.
I've seen plenty of this. Years back I was a witness for attempted murder. So have some knowledge how the system works.
There have been several deaths on my stretch of the street.
In recent years.
One gang related. One due to police negligence as they arrested someone with health condition. Didn't believe him and he died
At some of the local community stuff Im involved in these issues come up
My area is majorlty black people who live on adjoining estates.
From what has happened over years my feeling is that the local community ( mainly black British) want responsible policing that they have a say over.
.
They also want the police to be accountable. Deal with the findings of the Casey report.
Secondly every time a tragic murder happens what's said is that youth services have been cut to the bone. With local initiatives run by volunteers. The underlying issues of inequality aren't dealt with.
Which is true. I was involved in local campaign to save the adventure playground. Which council wanted to sell off.
If you want to get young people on the right path and intervene to do so then youth services should be put at top of list. Rather than the criminalisation approach.
I've never heard a local member of the black community in my neighborhood say some of the things posted in last few pages.
What for me is most aggravating is posts like yours and others here is based on assumption that these silly left liberals on U75 don't know how the real world works and need telling.
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Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
I was born in London and went to school in Clapham.
I was sick of the gangster admiration of my schoolmates in the 80's, they seemed to think that cos they lived in Brixton and the environs that made them 'street'. Then NWA came along and of course we all fucking loved it, but dickheads who somehow thought that the horrors of the streets around them kind of reflected on them in a gangster way really pissed me off.
Two of the people in my year at school, one who was a pretty close friend, the other not, are now dead cos they were murdered by this 'street' bollocks.
Then the 90s happened and the flood of people that in our ignorance we called "wiggas" arrived, from all over the UK, unable to cope with their own towns, but coming in to fuck ours up, guess they'd been gravitating to area for years, accelerated in the 90's though.
Urgh, awful. Wanted out. Got out. And have not looked back since. The area area is unrecognisable from when I was a kid. It is no longer anything to do with me, you incomers are welcome to it. If you wish to protest the filth on their rare killings of gangsters and ignore the almost daily killings those same gangsters carry out, you're fucking welcome to it
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Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
eta, my eldest nephew lives on Brixton Hill, cos he thinks I'm some kind of roll-model, deluded cunt that he is.
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
Agreed.
And the problem with people thinking he had 'it' coming to him, ie extrajudicial killing, execution by cop, is that it puts cops in the positions of judge, jury and executioner.
Was he a bad person? By all accounts, yes, a 'career criminal' who also dabbled in domestic violence.
Had he shot at and injured people? By all accounts, yes.
Again, though, this country abolished the death penalty decades ago. And even then, it was a sentence that was handed down at the end of the judicial process, not carried out on the streets by cops carrying out summary justice.
I have a big problem with people saying, effectively, that the police have a right to be judge, jury and executioner. No. No, they don't. In this country, we have a tradition of policing by consent, not policing by force. (Although not that you'd necessarily know that, from the way some cops behave.)
Irrespective of how bad Chris Kaba was, irrespective of how many crimes he'd (allegedly) committed, irrespective of how serious those (alleged) crimes were, in this country, Chris Kaba should've been brought to justice, ie through the criminal justice system.
The problem with thinking Chris Kaba 'deserved it' and putting the cops in the position of judge, jury and executioner is, 'Where do you* stop?'
I mean, it's not like the police have a flawless record and haven't killed innocent people before, is it? Oh. Yes. Yes, they have.
If you're* saying that the police were right to execute an unarmed person of the streets of London, when they're behind the wheel of a car, hands apparently on the steering wheel, no weapon in sight (and bearing in mind they didn't know his identity, didn't know his criminal record at the time), that they have the right to do so, then how and when does that 'right' cease to exist, how and when can it be exercised? You've opened Pandora's box.
By 'you' I'm not meaning you, Gramsci I'm meaning the more generic 'you', the people who think Kaba 'deserved it'.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
It's not either/or
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Don't call me an incomer.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
Chris Kaba was, by many accounts, a career criminal, a gang member, had allegedly shot someone in a club, and there were allegations of domestic violence.
Was he brought to justice? No. Did his cases go through the criminal (in)justice system? No. Was he sentenced, by a judge, following a trial, in a court of law? No. No, he was not.
Was he an unarmed person who was shot while driving a vehicle, trying to evade capture, by an armed police officer, on the streets of London? Yes.
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it's an extrajudicial killing.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
He'll turn you over, mark my words
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
I've just done a considered post explaining my involvement in my local community and this is your response.
What I posted was what I've seen my local mainly Black British community say. I don't need to re post what I've said.
Your not actually reading what I'm saying
This isnt what they are saying. Nor am I saying this.
So what is your problem?
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
FFS what is your problem?
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
You think people aren't against that? Don't be weird.
But if you want...you can protest. Pretty sure there have been many in the past against gang violence.
Or you can work with wannabe gangsters, who see Chris Kaba as a martyr and role model, like I do.
Or...just call for their killings on the internet then exaggerate the arguments against those who might see more complex societal problems with everything that is going on here.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
So far, you're one of very few on this thread who's managed to avoid posting silly shit like this.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
I got bored dealing with ridiculousness and went nuh-nuh-ne-nuh-nuh see how you like it.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
I've put spymaster on ignore. As it appears have others.
Its much more pleasant on here not seeing their posts. Not worth engaging with imo.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Well where are they? Within hours of Kaba's death there were crowds in Parliament Square with banners with his likeness, slagging off the filth. Yet literally, almost daily cunts like Kaba are killing people and there's silence. All over London, all over all the other communities these wankers are going about their business.
The irony is that the Kaba himself, with the shooting in the club and then the street, then 6 days later being 100% confirmed, demonstrates he was on a hiding to something, if the cops hadn't killed him some of his fellow gangsters would have, would we be so enraged if that was the case? No, would let that shit slide.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Well the thread's gone down Bizarre Street now.
Ann's just posting the same thing over and over again, and Gramsci's doing his usual 'I'm the expert; didn't you even read my post?' thing.
It might be worth turning alerts off on this for a while.
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