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Chris Kaba, 24, shot dead by police in Streatham, Mon 5th Sept 2022

Well where are they? Within hours of Kaba's death there were crowds in Parliament Square with banners with his likeness, slagging off the filth. Yet literally, almost daily cunts like Kaba are killing people and there's silence. All over London, all over all the other communities these wankers are going about their business.

The irony is that the Kaba himself, with the shooting in the club and then the street, then 6 days later being 100% confirmed, demonstrates he was on a hiding to something, if the cops hadn't killed him some of his fellow gangsters would have, would we be so enraged if that was the case? No, would let that shit slide.

You don't think I'm enraged with the inevitability or death of gang violence? 50% of my kids go to prison. A small percentage will die. All avoidable under different social and economic conditions. Inequality is where this stems from. Poverty is where this stems from.

That's the gang violence bit. But the police are held to a higher bar. That's the difference here.
 
Well where are they? Within hours of Kaba's death there were crowds in Parliament Square with banners with his likeness, slagging off the filth. Yet literally, almost daily cunts like Kaba are killing people and there's silence. All over London, all over all the other communities these wankers are going about their business.

The irony is that the Kaba himself, with the shooting in the club and then the street, then 6 days later being 100% confirmed, demonstrates he was on a hiding to something, if the cops hadn't killed him some of his fellow gangsters would have, would we be so enraged if that was the case? No, would let that shit slide.

You don't listen do you?

Just explained that imo area local community don't let "that shit slide"

Sorry I'm an incomer / wigga whose only been in area for thirty years but do think in the short time I've been here I have some knowledge of how my local community see these things.
 
I was born in London and went to school in Clapham.

I was sick of the gangster admiration of my schoolmates in the 80's, they seemed to think that cos they lived in Brixton and the environs that made them 'street'. Then NWA came along and of course we all fucking loved it, but dickheads who somehow thought that the horrors of the streets around them kind of reflected on them in a gangster way really pissed me off.

Two of the people in my year at school, one who was a pretty close friend, the other not, are now dead cos they were murdered by this 'street' bollocks.

Then the 90s happened and the flood of people that in our ignorance we called "wiggas" arrived, from all over the UK, unable to cope with their own towns, but coming in to fuck ours up, guess they'd been gravitating to area for years, accelerated in the 90's though.

Urgh, awful. Wanted out. Got out. And have not looked back since. The area area is unrecognisable from when I was a kid. It is no longer anything to do with me, you incomers are welcome to it. If you wish to protest the filth on their rare killings of gangsters and ignore the almost daily killings those same gangsters carry out, you're fucking welcome to it
I don't live in London, don't live in Brixton.

I have lived in London, three times, including in Hackney, during the 2011 riots. I'm a white, middle-aged, very 'straight'-looking woman, in the hetero and other sense, ie no dreads, no tattoos, no piercings (except for standard ear-piercing). In the middle of the riots, I escorted an African-American woman onto the Pembury estate where her relatives lived, past a shop being looted and burnt out vehicles. I just happened to be passing the bus stop at the bottom of Clapton's 'murder mile' when she got off the bus in the middle of 'WTF' when she asked me for directions and I sort of assumed responsibility for her. A few days later, I was also wandering around with a Swiss army knife in my bag as I clocked two black youths being stopped and then searched by cops, and of course I stopped to watch and make sure things didn't go south. Because ACAB. But of course * I * was safe. But I understand that very many black people on those same streets will not feel safe, in general, and, more specifically, will not feel safe if/when stopped by the police.

I do, however, live in inner city Manchester.

About 20 years ago, I witnessed a shooting in the street outside my flat and nearly ended up in witness protection. I think I've described that incident previously on urban, how I heard some shouting and looked out of my window, expecting to see the usual local drunk punks on the park bench opposite, but instead seeing two guys standing in the street in front of cars facing opposite directions, having a face off, then some guy in a balaclava popped up from behind the bushes in the park opposite, there were orange flashes and bangs, and I ducked and scrambled for my mobile and (stupidly) called the cops. Uniformed turned up and made some notes in a dinky little notepad.

The next day, non-uniform turned up, to take a formal statement. She made some small talk, how long have you lived here, do you own or rent? I explained I rented but I liked living there, was involved in community projects, planned to buy my flat under Right-to-Buy. We sat down and started to do a formal written statement. Her phone rang. She went into my hallway. I overheard the conversation. She came back. I said, 'I overheard, you were telling someone that I like living here and don't want to move.' She said, 'Yeah, if this case goes to court, you might have to go into witness protection.' I thought, Fuuuuuuuuuuck! I was trying to be a good citizen, now this? Wtf?!? She explained that because of how I described what I saw, with part of my view obscured by the corner of the building... Basically, my view could be narrowed down as coming from one of two flats. There are three flats in my block, the view from the ground floor flat is obscured by a fence. There's a male tenant in the first floor. I'm the only woman tenant.

Bearing in mind that I'd previously worked as a journalist and hoped to do so again in future, my thoughts immediately turned to 'bylines' and also profile photos, and what would happen to my professional career if I had to go into witness protection and change identity and had no CV, no 'clippings'? I asked what would happen if I chose not to give evidence in court, despite having called the cops to report the incident via 999, and being in the middle of giving a formal statement to a non-uniformed officer? She told me that I would be summonsed and if I didn't turn up and give evidence, I would be imprisoned for contempt of court. Fortunately, the case never went to court. (Although I understand that someone had been shot in the leg and had ended up in hospital.)

Do I think that the cops should have subsequently shot dead the perpetrator? Nope. Maybe, if they'd turned up in the middle of a 'shots fired' incident, they could/should have played it by ear, and there might've been a fatal three-way gun battle. But after the event? Nope.

And this is bearing in mind that I was a witness to a gangland shooting, saw shots fired, saw someone get shot, and nearly had my life turned upside down and inside out in an instant, nearly had to move away and change my identity.

I don't admire gangstas. But I also don't think that the police should be acting as judge, jury and executioner. We have a criminal justice system in this country. Criminals should be brought to justice. We do not have a death penalty in this country; it was abolished decades ago.
 
You don't think I'm enraged with the inevitability or death of gang violence? 50% of my kids go to prison. A small percentage will die. All avoidable under different social and economic conditions. Inequality is where this stems from. Poverty is where this stems from.

That's the gang violence bit. But the police are held to a higher bar. That's the difference here.
I'm a care leaver.* The statistics for care leavers ending up in the prison industrial system are horrific. Ditto people with mental health problems. Ditto people with poor literacy levels. Etc. Etc. Etc. And all in one of the richest countries on the planet. It's shameful.

*Off the top of my head, some of the ones I knew who came to a tragic end:
  • One teenage girl was in a car that was TWOC'd with some lads. She died in a RTA.
  • One teenage lad died due to inhaling some aerosol something or other, sniffing was all the rage, we all did it. He was a smoker though, somehow set himself on fire. Died. Horrifically.
  • One young woman, care leaver, persuaded by bf to hide firearm. She was sort of the run when I met her, but things caught up with her. She was a drug user, had talked about how terrified she was of going 'cold turkey' inside. She died by suicide. Total lack of care and consideration by the prison system. She'd been inside before, knew what it was like, knew they didn't provide proper medical and social care for users who were newly incarcerated.
  • One teenage girl, I suspect was groomed and sexually abused by a high profile person, who had quite a distinctive car, the same type of car that used to park up outside when her 'date' used to collect her.

So many kids ended up in youth offender institutes, in the pipeline for adult prisons. So fucked up.
 
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Where were the protests against (police informant and well known fence) Kenneth Noye?

When he;

Killed DC John Fordham

Killed Stephen Cameron

"the Alan Decabral case"

?

Some gangstas are different to others I guess. Coz that's a lot more deaths than Chris Kaba was involved in.
 
Where were the protests against (police informant and well known fence) Kenneth Noye?

When he;

Killed DC John Fordham

Killed Stephen Cameron

"the Alan Decabral case"

?

Some gangstas are different to others I guess. Coz that's a lot more deaths than Chris Kaba was involved in.

Dude!

I thought this thread had reached peak preposterous, but now you want to chuck Kenneth Noye into the mix. :D

I salute you!
 
girasol already didn't an excellent job of dealing with the live by the sword die by the sword issue.

But on a personal note I would say the exact same about any cop who wants to run around playing with guns who gets themselves shot. Or for that matter shoots someone else and ends up in court, they made their choice knowing the possible consequences, they don't get to complain about it anymore than someone on the other side of the law.

Edit - I like to think this makes me consistent, but it probably just makes me a cunt.
 
girasol already didn't an excellent job of dealing with the live by the sword die by the sword issue.

But on a personal note I would say the exact same about any cop who wants to run around playing with guns who gets themselves shot. Or for that matter shoots someone else and ends up in court, they made their choice knowing the possible consequences, they don't get to complain about it anymore than someone on the other side of the law.

Edit - I like to think this makes me consistent, but it probably just makes me a cunt.

:D Not a cunt. You're just trying a bit too hard to be equitable and placate the cranks when there's really no need to.

Society has a very definite need for armed police officers and people prepared to do that job; whereas domestically abusive, drug dealing gangsters, who stab and shoot people are about as much use to society as estate agents, and herpes.
 
And who are those people exactly? Making snide digs like this is shit.
This poster for example and any other wit who laughs at the defenders of freedom.

Thing was when the "brave freedom fighters"🙄 stopped their heroic defence of the Irish People thr evil empire™️ forces went home and stopped murderizing people funny that😏

The "live by the sword" comments, as well.
 
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:D Not a cunt. You're just trying a bit too hard to be equitable and placate the cranks when there's really no need to.

Society has a very definite need for armed police officers and people prepared to do that job; whereas domestically abusive, drug dealing gangsters, who stab and shoot people are about as much use to society as estate agents, and herpes.
A need for cops like couzens, Carrick and 'alice's' partner in this link? Over 1,500 police accused of violence against women and girls - BBC News catch yourself on spy
 
All these long posts about social and economic conditions, etc., etc., are a bit pointless, I am sure everyone, or at least most, on urban know the deep problems that need tackling in various communities, but none of that matters in the 13 seconds it took for this incident to unfold.

And, how many more times are posters going to point out he was unarmed, as if that makes any difference at all. Maybe these posters think the cops should have x-ray vision, so they could see into the bloody car? The car was linked to a gang shooting the night before, the cops whilst not knowing the name of the actual driver at that moment in time, had to work on the assumption that they are armed and dangerous, that's how these things work, and that's why it was armed police that carried out the hard stop.

Then we had one poster claiming he had his hands up in a 'please don't shot' manner, which clearly wasn't the case, because he was busy driving/ramming the car into the cop cars both front and rear, in an attempt to escape. Now another poster has claimed his hands were on the wheel, as if this means he was no risk, ignoring the basis fact that his left arm would disappear from view to change gear, and he could easily have been reaching for a gun, for all the cops knew at the moment in time.

None of us have heard the full evidence, presented in court over the three weeks, but it seems some people have simply not even read the summary of the defence, or watched the graphic showing the movement of cars, and the various cops, as coloured dots, and understood how those final seconds played out, resulting in the unfortunate outcome, or they have, but simply find it easier to totally ignore the facts, in an attempt to make out that this was some sort of 'de Menezes' moment, when clearly it wasn't.

The defence raised more than reasonable doubt that this was anything other than a lawful killing, making it impossible to for the jury to commit.
 
No. Not ones like those.

Don’t be silly.
Being as we see cops charged with criminal or disciplinary offences every day or two, I don't know how you can have the confidence you appear to in the police forces of the UK. And that's before they do things like kill people whose identity they don't know. As Sean rigg's sister said yesterday, people who've committed a crime should be arrested and charged and not simply sbot dead.
 
All these long posts about social and economic conditions, etc., etc., are a bit pointless, I am sure everyone, or at least most, on urban know the deep problems that need tackling in various communities, but none of that matters in the 13 seconds it took for this incident to unfold.

And, how many more times are posters going to point out he was unarmed, as if that makes any difference at all. Maybe these posters think the cops should have x-ray vision, so they could see into the bloody car? The car was linked to a gang shooting the night before, the cops whilst not knowing the name of the actual driver at that moment in time, had to work on the assumption that they are armed and dangerous, that's how these things work, and that's why it was armed police that carried out the hard stop.

Then we had one poster claiming he had his hands up in a 'please don't shot' manner, which clearly wasn't the case, because he was busy driving/ramming the car into the cop cars both front and rear, in an attempt to escape. Now another poster has claimed his hands were on the wheel, as if this means he was no risk, ignoring the basis fact that his left arm would disappear from view to change gear, and he could easily have been reaching for a gun, for all the cops knew at the moment in time.

None of us have heard the full evidence, presented in court over the three weeks, but it seems some people have simply not even read the summary of the defence, or watched the graphic showing the movement of cars, and the various cops, as coloured dots, and understood how those final seconds played out, resulting in the unfortunate outcome, or they have, but simply find it easier to totally ignore the facts, in an attempt to make out that this was some sort of 'de Menezes' moment, when clearly it wasn't.

The defence raised more than reasonable doubt that this was anything other than a lawful killing, making it impossible to for the jury to commit.
And there's been one poster saying he should have got out of the car with his hands up, ignoring the 'basis fact' that his right hand would have disappeared from view as he released the door
 
Being as we see cops charged with criminal or disciplinary offences every day or two, I don't know how you can have the confidence you appear to in the police forces of the UK. And that's before they do things like kill people whose identity they don't know. As Sean rigg's sister said yesterday, people who've committed a crime should be arrested and charged and not simply sbot dead.

Already more than adequately addressed.

Where incidents of police incompetence/brutality/corruption etc occur, they should be robustly dealt with.

This just isn’t one of them.
 
And so few of them are unproblematic - diarmuid o neill complying with police instructions when he was shot, harry stanley carrying a bit of wood, jean charles de menezes we've been through very carefully, mark duggan not holding a gun or posing a thread when he was killed and so on.

Yeah, yeah, once again you quote the same names as if the list was endless, and your "and so on" is doing a hell of a lot of work there.

Out of desperation and the sheer folly of pursuing this line of argument, Ann tried to squeeze in Ian Tomlinson the last time she did this, despite Mr Tomlinson famously not having been shot.

You've gone one better and gone back 30 odd years to crowbar-in the only IRA member ever to be killed by the police in Great Britain! :D
 
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All these long posts about social and economic conditions, etc., etc., are a bit pointless, I am sure everyone, or at least most, on urban know the deep problems that need tackling in various communities, but none of that matters in the 13 seconds it took for this incident to unfold.

And, how many more times are posters going to point out he was unarmed, as if that makes any difference at all. Maybe these posters think the cops should have x-ray vision, so they could see into the bloody car? The car was linked to a gang shooting the night before, the cops whilst not knowing the name of the actual driver at that moment in time, had to work on the assumption that they are armed and dangerous, that's how these things work, and that's why it was armed police that carried out the hard stop.

Then we had one poster claiming he had his hands up in a 'please don't shot' manner, which clearly wasn't the case, because he was busy driving/ramming the car into the cop cars both front and rear, in an attempt to escape. Now another poster has claimed his hands were on the wheel, as if this means he was no risk, ignoring the basis fact that his left arm would disappear from view to change gear, and he could easily have been reaching for a gun, for all the cops knew at the moment in time.

None of us have heard the full evidence, presented in court over the three weeks, but it seems some people have simply not even read the summary of the defence, or watched the graphic showing the movement of cars, and the various cops, as coloured dots, and understood how those final seconds played out, resulting in the unfortunate outcome, or they have, but simply find it easier to totally ignore the facts, in an attempt to make out that this was some sort of 'de Menezes' moment, when clearly it wasn't.

The defence raised more than reasonable doubt that this was anything other than a lawful killing, making it impossible to for the jury to commit.

This isn't what last few pages are about.

I was disagreeing with your comment that no one here had posted that Kabes was better off dead. I found two posts which said that. One poster came on to say yes that's what they thought.

Without going through every post their has been an undercurrent here of posting that the "cranks" etc are just ACAB and don't understand the real world.

That in some cases its better the scum get shot by police.

Several posters came on with long posts about their life history to show that its not the case that they don't understand the real world

I really don't think on U75 posters should be expected to do that. In order they don't get ridicule
 
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I disagreeing with your comment that no one here had posted that Kabes was better off dead. I found two posts which said that. One poster came on to say yes that's what they thought.

This is what you're dealing with cupid_stunt .

Allowing for what I can only assume was an unfortunate typo on the name, nobody has said that Kaba was better off dead, neither do the posts that Gramsci has quoted say that.

These people are arguing with themselves, and Gramsci in particular is just making stuff up.

Utterly delusional.
 
Couple of examples

Post in thread 'Chris Kaba, 24, shot dead by police in Streatham, Mon 5th Sept 2022' Chris Kaba, 24, shot dead by police in Streatham, Mon 5th Sept 2022

Post in thread 'Chris Kaba, 24, shot dead by police in Streatham, Mon 5th Sept 2022' Chris Kaba, 24, shot dead by police in Streatham, Mon 5th Sept 2022

Post in thread 'Chris Kaba, 24, shot dead by police in Streatham, Mon 5th Sept 2022' Chris Kaba, 24, shot dead by police in Streatham, Mon 5th Sept 2022

AnnO'Neemus posted the following



So yes Id agree some posters here think he had it coming to him.

Just a reminder
 
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