You're coming across as a playground bully, you've made a number of personal attacks on this poster rather than argue his points.
Chris Kaba, 24, shot dead by police in Streatham, Mon 5th Sept 2022
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emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
No, what makes people cranks is going on about death squids and extrajudicial executions and other such hyperbolic nonsense.
The police did not intend to kill anyone that night, they intended to arrest someone and it went wrong.
It could be argued that the police culture and attitudes towards the communities they police are seriously flawed and create the environment which leads to this. Questions could be asked about the sort of people who want to be armed offices and the selection process. Their approach to these sort of operations and the risks they pose could be examined and better alternatives suggested.*
But instead of doing that people prefer to go on about some dystopian fantasy where the police are operating death squids to execute black men on the streets of London. Talking such obvious bullshit just lets the police of the hook and is frankly insulting to all the people who had had to live with the threat of actual death squids.
*there was actually a very small amount of discussion on this at one point.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
I particularly like that 2 of the examples are the same example and it is from 2 years ago.
Exaggerated nonsense that nobody has said to discredit the very real concerns around racist policing and black deaths related to this.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
This thread is about the shooting of Kaba, not you and your attempts to make stuff up, that's simply not there, and the last few pages hasn't just been about your shite.
You pointed out two posters had used the term 'live by the sword...', and you took the most extreme view that meant 'Kaba was better off dead', which is frankly bonkers beyond belief. I linked to girasol's excellent post #863, which has a far more reasonable and grounded interpretation of what was meant by posting the term, almost two dozen urbs agreed, but you ignore that, and carry on with your unhinged interpretation.
And, one of those posters didn't come on to say they meant they wanted him dead or that he was better off dead, they commented 'to be honest I am really not that bothered no,' that is not as extreme as you make it out to be.
You're simply twisting words to suit your view, it's frankly dishonest, to say the least.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
His “points” have been incinerated by several posters but he keeps making shit up as if that hadn’t happened. He’s got huge form for this behaviour.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
If people throw around phrases like death squids that is the impression they give. If you want to talk about concerns with rascist policing then do that instead of talking about death squads that don't exist.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Not what I was posting about.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Sorry I didn't say anything about death squads.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
No I'm reading the posts and pointing out to you what has been posted.
TBF I can understand why some might think he's better off dead. It's not always easy to live in area like mine.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
You where complaing about others being called cranks, they where called that (not by me) because they are going on about death squids.
I don't know who posted that but then quote it and take it up with that poster.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Here is my overall view
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cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
You've got form for bullying, so there you go.
Take up his arguments and stop personally insulting him or fuck off to the area thread for where you live instead of being an arse to people who contribute to this community.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
I’m sorry, but fuck you. There’s more bollocks being spouted on this thread than any other on the boards at the moment and it’s far from a Brixton issue. Gangsterism affects everyone, particularly those of us in London.
So attack the points and not the poster
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Once again, the points have been addressed by myself and several others. They are nonsense. If he keeps spouting the same shit, he’ll keep being pulled for it.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Isn’t it just like that?
He joined the discussion later and is entitled to make his points. Plenty of people have repeated points without you making a number of personal remarks about them.
You are not pulling him up on his points, you are making personal slurs.
We get that you oppose many of the views here but that doesn't give you the right to select people to be a cunt to based on your personal beef.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
I’m saying he’s posting shit. That’s not a personal slur, it’s an observation.
I’m selecting him because he the one making the most ridiculous arguments, fabricating what others have posted, and misrepresenting everyone else.
Then argue the arguments, the fabrications and the misrepresentations as you see them.
I don't see his points much different to anybody else's who you disagree with.
Nothing you have posted about him has added to either side of the conversation but your repeated insults have meant the derailing of this thread as bullying is not tolerable.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Now you’re doing the same thing he is. Ignoring the fact that this has been answered. I’ll argue the way I choose to thanks.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Yes its a personal beef spymaster has with me
On another thread I ended up putting him on ignore. Given I've now looked at his posts here on this thread this is what I'm going to get from now on. I'm trying to ignore it.
And yes Spymaster has form on this.
Its the kind of thing that puts me off posting here.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
"Death squads", "murder", "extra judicial killings", "police executions" ... absolute crank-land that has does nothing to do with any reasoned debate about either policing or gangsterism and just plays to a (fortunately now dwindling) gallery.
It needs robust challenging and it's good to see that even those who identify as leftists are now starting to question this utter bullshit.
The Sutton index of deaths covers the paramilitaries you mention; as per my previous post( see the figures or go to the index).In fact the Sutton Index has updated and revised to the information on deaths. For example The February 2001 update were some killings which were originally recorded as non-specific Loyalist group (LOY) were attributed to the Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF) following additional new information. The original list only covered 1969 to 1993 but then extended to 2001 now covers up to 2022 ( be it draft 2002 onwards) so includes the RIRA that as you no doubt know were founded in 1997 as a result of a ‘split’ with the Provos and responsible for the single most terrorist outrage during the troubles.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
The auld "two dozen urbs can't be wrong" phallacy
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Sorry, I missed this.
I wasn't aware that we have a beef. Frankly I'd only been vaguely aware of you until relatively recently when we had a bit of a barney over Israel, and now this. If that constitutes beef then I probably have one with everyone on the boards. I do get irritated with your style of debating which is to claim authority and then to centre debate around your own posts as if they were gospel and often quote yourself. There are scores of posters more irritating than you though.
Anyway, I don't want you to feel bullied, nor to stop posting, so will attempt to temper the way I interact with you, should we have any future dealings.
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AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
It's a matter of fact.
Kaba wasn't sentenced to death and executed at the end of a judicial process. Ergo, it was an extra judicial killing.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Bullshit!
The jury decided it was a lawful killing, why do you think you know better?
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