Chris Kaba, 24, shot dead by police in Streatham, Mon 5th Sept 2022

[Smick]

That's how being boxed in by cops work, it happens all the time, there's nothing unusual in that whatsoever.

Having been 'boxed' and surrounded by armed cops, you have to be a crazy bastard to think ramming the cop cars in an attempt to escape was a good idea.

My personal take is that his attempt to escape happened over a long enough period that the greatest risk to the police was in him getting away.

They close in on him and then fire because he’s causing danger to them, but if they hadn’t stood in front of him then that danger wouldn’t have existed.

i think that the murder charge wasn’t justified as it was the police as a whole at fault. One finger on the trigger, many hands on the gun.

 

[likesfish]

Uk police draw firearms for operations 17000 times a year they kill under 3 people a year. That includes jihadists etc etc The police are not operating death squads or trigger happy.

 

[Boris Sprinkler]

Why is there never any discussion into the killer instinct that is been trained into police the world over. To view everything as a threat that must be reacted to with violence?
I know many people believe that the police are there to look after you. My experience is that they are trained more and more towards some Krav Maga killer instinct. To react like dogs without reason. I also know stimulants are involved. And it has got worse and worse.
Threatened police gunning down a Down Syndrome boy, who was playing with a toy gun in Stockholm. (2018).
No charges.

'Threatened' Swedish cops shoot man with Down syndrome, he was holding toy gun

Torrell's family said that Eric had Down syndrome, autism and was essentially nonverbal.

www.asianage.com

 

[krtek a houby]

My experience is that they are trained more and more towards some Krav Maga killer instinct. To react like dogs without reason.

Awful. But why bring Krav Maga into it?

 

[Boris Sprinkler]

I don’t even know what it is. As I have no interest in any form of fighting or martial art. It was mentioned to me by someone talking about training utilized by Danish police and mentality needed. As we watched yet another raid take place on the hash market in front of us. The actions and tactics of the police, been shown.

 

[Pickman's model]

I don’t even know what it is. As I have no interest in any form of fighting or martial art. It was mentioned to me by someone talking about training utilized by Danish police and mentality needed. As we watched yet another raid take place on the hash market in front of us. The actions and tactics of the police, been shown.

Krav maga is a zionist martial art Krav Maga - Wikipedia

 

[Boris Sprinkler]

Oh right. Well that makes sense then since I was sitting discussing with my Israeli friend.
I just put it down to whatever Joe Rogan he’d been watching. As he was always talking about that.

 

[Boris Sprinkler]

Having read that wiki, it doubly makes sense.

 

[Pickman's model]

Uk police draw firearms for operations 17000 times a year they kill under 3 people a year. That includes jihadists etc etc The police are not operating death squads or trigger happy.

How come they so frequently kill unarmed people who pose no threat then? Chris kaba, harry stanley, mark duggan, diarmuid o'neill etc.

 

[brogdale]

How come they so frequently kill unarmed people who pose no threat then? Chris kaba, harry stanley, mark duggan, diarmuid o'neill etc.

and that 48% of those shot happen to be black?

 

[Derek S-H]

Two-tier justice, anyone?

I know it's not, but the optics aren't great, are they?

For those with longer memories:

Killing of Jean Charles de Menezes - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

No convictions and she didn't lose her job (if anything, she was rewarded for it).

And even when you do get the correct verdict:

Killing of man with table leg 'unlawful'

A man who was shot by police while carrying a table leg which was mistaken for a gun, was unlawfully killed, an inquest jury ruled today.

www.theguardian.com

This happens:

Officer cleared after killing man carrying table leg

The family of a man shot dead by police will launch a fresh legal challenge after the high court quashes inquest verdict of unlawful killing.

www.theguardian.com

 

[freshapple]

Chris Kaba shot man in club and was alleged core member of London gang

Judge rules details of Kaba’s criminal past can be reported after police officer who shot him was cleared of murder

www.theguardian.com

 

[krtek a houby]

Chris Kaba shot man in club and was alleged core member of London gang

Judge rules details of Kaba’s criminal past can be reported after police officer who shot him was cleared of murder

www.theguardian.com

And what do you think?

 

[Petcha]

Ok, so the guy was a cunt. Still, summary executions are not cool.

 

[Petcha]

It did seem a bit weird that the jury only took a couple of hours to clear the guy. But surely you cant just shoot people.

I'm just hearing on the radio that the jury didn't even know about his history actually. But still cleared the copper.

 

[scalyboy]

Chris Kaba shot man in club and was alleged core member of London gang

Judge rules details of Kaba’s criminal past can be reported after police officer who shot him was cleared of murder

www.theguardian.com

"Details of Kaba’s past offending were not put before the jury in the murder trial at the Old Bailey because the judge, Mr Justice Goss, ruled they were not relevant.
Blake, at the point he pulled the trigger on 5 September 2022, did not know these details and did not know who was in the Audi Q8, which police believed was linked to a firearms incident the night before."

Irrelevant because Martyn Blake wasn't aware of these alleged gang links and indeed didn't know the identity of the driver. Assuming this came from a police leak to the press, it looks rather like a Met smear for the benefit of Fail readers - "well he deserved it then didn't he". Wasn't there a similar leak about Jean-Charles de Menezes having overstayed his visa?

 

[zedr]

"Details of Kaba’s past offending were not put before the jury in the murder trial at the Old Bailey because the judge, Mr Justice Goss, ruled they were not relevant.
Blake, at the point he pulled the trigger on 5 September 2022, did not know these details and did not know who was in the Audi Q8, which police believed was linked to a firearms incident the night before."

Irrelevant because Martyn Blake wasn't aware of these alleged gang links and indeed didn't know the identity of the driver. Assuming this came from a police leak to the press, it looks rather like a Met smear for the benefit of Fail readers - "well he deserved it then didn't he". Wasn't there a similar leak about Jean-Charles de Menezes having overstayed his visa?

Yeah, as I said above, if we're going to do innocent until proven guilty for Martyn Blake, we need to extend that to Chris Kaba too, and ignore this report which hasn't been proven in court.

 

[Petcha]

The video on the the Mail of Kaba attacking the guy in the club then chasing him and shooting him doesn't paint in him the best light. But as you say, the jury didn't see any of that. All in all a very weird case.

 

[Petcha]

The cop's got a £10k bounty on his head now anyway. Not sure releasing his name was the brightest idea.

 

[story]

"Details of Kaba’s past offending were not put before the jury in the murder trial at the Old Bailey because the judge, Mr Justice Goss, ruled they were not relevant.
Blake, at the point he pulled the trigger on 5 September 2022, did not know these details and did not know who was in the Audi Q8, which police believed was linked to a firearms incident the night before."

Irrelevant because Martyn Blake wasn't aware of these alleged gang links and indeed didn't know the identity of the driver. Assuming this came from a police leak to the press, it looks rather like a Met smear for the benefit of Fail readers - "well he deserved it then didn't he". Wasn't there a similar leak about Jean-Charles de Menezes having overstayed his visa?

But Chris Kaba’s gun history and alleged links should be irrelevant anyway.

He had his hands up.
His hands were up.

Hands up. Don’t shoot.


It’s okay to shoot a man in the street because he’s got a gun history himself?
Martyn Blake is more permitted to shot a man in the street because that man has a gun history?
It’s more understandable or more forgivable to shoot a man in the street because he has a gun history?

I don’t understand what’s going on here.

 

[Petcha]

But Chris Kaba’s gun history and alleged links should be irrelevant anyway.

He had his hands up.
His hands were up.

Hands up. Don’t shoot.


It’s okay to shoot a man in the street because he’s got a gun history himself?
Martyn Blake is more permitted to shot a man in the street because that man has a gun history?
It’s more understandable or more forgivable to shoot a man in the street because he has a gun history?

I don’t understand what’s going on here.

The dodgy bit is that the cop didn't know he had a gun history, or that was a leading gangster. And neither did the jury. And yet they still cleared him. Very fishy.

I think the judge was right to withhold his previous from the jury but that makes it even weirder they didnt think the cop was in the wrong. Even the CPS thought he was, or they wouldn't have put it before a court.

 

[Sasaferrato]

"Details of Kaba’s past offending were not put before the jury in the murder trial at the Old Bailey because the judge, Mr Justice Goss, ruled they were not relevant.
Blake, at the point he pulled the trigger on 5 September 2022, did not know these details and did not know who was in the Audi Q8, which police believed was linked to a firearms incident the night before."

Irrelevant because Martyn Blake wasn't aware of these alleged gang links and indeed didn't know the identity of the driver. Assuming this came from a police leak to the press, it looks rather like a Met smear for the benefit of Fail readers - "well he deserved it then didn't he". Wasn't there a similar leak about Jean-Charles de Menezes having overstayed his visa?

In the piece you posted:

Judge rules details of Kaba’s criminal past can be reported after police officer who shot him was cleared of murder.

Not quite sure how this correlates with 'Assuming this came from a police leak to the press,'.

 

[story]

Replying to Petcha




Yes.
Of course I understand what’s going on here: the whole thing stinks of double standards.


To pretend otherwise is at best disingenuous.

 

[scalyboy]

In the piece you posted:

Judge rules details of Kaba’s criminal past can be reported after police officer who shot him was cleared of murder.

Not quite sure how this correlates with 'Assuming this came from a police leak to the press,'.

My mistake - didn't read the piece properly. Apologies.

 

[Petcha]

Replying to Petcha




Yes.
Of course I understand what’s going on here: the whole thing stinks of double standards.


To pretend otherwise is at best disingenuous.

I don't understand how there was a unanimous verdict in under three hours based on the evidence I can see. The cop is clearly guilty of murder. Scratching my head. Yes the guy was clearly a fuckwit but you can't just fucking shoot people for that. And the cop wasn't even aware of who it was he was shooting? So strange.

 

[scalyboy]

Can you tell me how you would get out of a car with your hands up pls.

In Norman Mailer's The Executioner's Song (and as shown in the subsequent film), after his second murder in two days, Gary Gilmore is fleeing in a vehicle but is stopped after a police chase. The police chief calmly but firmly gives him specific instructions through a megaphone: "Driver in the white truck, put both your hands out of the window so we can see them ... Now slowly get out of the car ... Lie face down on the ground..."

An opportunity to surrender that was not afforded to Chris Kaba.

 

[scalyboy]

I don't understand how there was a unanimous verdict in under three hours based on the evidence I can see. The cop is clearly guilty of murder. Scratching my head. Yes the guy was clearly a fuckwit but you can't just fucking shoot people for that. And the cop wasn't even aware of who it was he was shooting? So strange.

I would be interested to read the judge's summing up, since as you say a unanimous verdict in under three hours is er unusual given the circumstances of the case. Did the judge offer the jury the opportunity of finding the defendant not guilty of murder but guilty of manslaughter?

 

[Pickman's model]

In Norman Mailer's The Executioner's Song (and as shown in the subsequent film), after his second murder in two days, Gary Gilmore is fleeing in a vehicle but is stopped after a police chase. The police chief calmly but firmly gives him specific instructions through a megaphone: "Driver in the white truck, put both your hands out of the window so we can see them ... Now slowly get out of the car ... Lie face down on the ground..."

An opportunity to surrender that was not afforded to Chris Kaba.

this relies on the window being open, which i doubt kaba's was. so at some point hands would have disappeared from sight, when he would have been shot.

 

[ID47]

this relies on the window being open, which i doubt kaba's was. so at some point hands would have disappeared from sight, when he would have been shot.

If I saw correctly in the video there is a fleeting shot through the passenger side front window where Kaba raises both hands towards the sides of his head in a gesture of frustration perhaps. Anyone else see that, I could be mistaken?

 

[story]

They were never going to find him guilty.
Just imagine, just for a moment, a world where a cop was found guilty of murdering a Black man during a police stop in South London.
I cannot, cannot imagine such a thing happening.


I’d like to see what the judge said when addressing the jury before they retired. What direction or guidance were they given?