Tulster218
Well-Known Member
Unless people from his past now come forward with new information about his character.
Chris Kaba, 24, shot dead by police in Streatham, Mon 5th Sept 2022
- Thread starter GarveyLives
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The murder trial for the killing of Chris Kaba has begun today
Chris Kaba: Anger possible factor in Met Police shooting - court
Met Police marksman Martyn Blake is on trial accused of murder over the shooting of Chris Kaba.
www.bbc.co.uk
scalyboy
They’re taking the piss now
8ball
Merr xmas...
It’s not possible to shoot someone dead in cold blood when you’re angry.
scalyboy
They’re taking the piss now
True that - you're right.
I was using a figure of speech, but in retrospect it's a self-contradictory sentence, oxymoronic!
Truman Capote's In Cold Blood title was, I think, alluding to the callousness of Smith and Hickock deciding they would leave no witnesses, and so murdered an entire family for something like $50. There is a suggestion that Perry Smith (who apparently did most/all the shooting) felt humiliated and disappointed that the big score they'd expected - a safe containing thousands of $$$ - simply wasn't there, and was pissed off at his buddy Hickock for leading them on such a wild goose chase dead-end crime.
There was a detail in the book of Smith scrabbling around under a bed for a dollar coin, and thinking, what a loser I am.. So the suggestion was, as I recall, that his first murder (of the father and husband Herb Clutter) was partially motivated by these emotions. But not the other three murders.
Anyway, I'm getting way off topic here - apologies!
When I first saw the headline stating that the cop "may have been angry" I thought, f*** me, is that his defence brief proposing this as an excuse?
But it was the prosecutor's argument.
story
Changing the facts
In Court on Radio 4 will be covering the trial.
www.bbc.co.uk
In Court - Chris Kaba Killing - Police Officer on Trial - Introducing... Chris Kaba Killing - Police Officer on Trial - BBC Sounds
Firearms officer Martyn Blake is on trial over the fatal shooting of Chris Kaba.
www.bbc.co.uk
Seems really weird that the prosecution is apparently saying that everything else about the stop was fine and it's all on the officer being prosecuted.In Court on Radio 4 will be covering the trial.
In Court - Chris Kaba Killing - Police Officer on Trial - Introducing... Chris Kaba Killing - Police Officer on Trial - BBC Sounds
Firearms officer Martyn Blake is on trial over the fatal shooting of Chris Kaba.
Really can't see the officer getting convicted of murder and then it seems everything will have been deemed to be fine and no lessons learnt.
8ball
Merr xmas...
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
He's very kindCheers - very generous response to my irritating pedantry.
PTK
Paul Kegan
I was just thinking that, before I read your comment.
GarveyLives
Well-Known Member
Such is the level of media interest in the trial that Court 19 is being used as an overflow room so as to enable media such as Brixton Buzz to report on the proceedings after watching the trial on a live video feed, with only a few members of the press allowed in Court where the trial is taking place.
However, in a departure from standard practice in criminal courts in England & Wales, it has been reported that members of the public who wish to view proceedings from the public gallery in the usual way, must leave give personal details before they are permitted to do so, apparently on the order of Mr Justice Goss.
Someone who understands law, can you please answer this:
If a group of five armed men enter a bank to Rob it and one of them shoots a customer, all five are as liable to be charged, tried and convicted as the one who pulled the trigger.
www.theguardian.com
In this case, the person who pulled the trigger is being tried for murder, but there were lots of police involved, one of whom said he was also pointing a gun
Why are there not multiple charges against the other police?
If a group of five armed men enter a bank to Rob it and one of them shoots a customer, all five are as liable to be charged, tried and convicted as the one who pulled the trigger.
Murder and manslaughter charges under joint enterprise rise despite concern
Nearly 1,000 people charged in five years in England and Wales under doctrine that supreme court said had taken ‘wrong turn’
In this case, the person who pulled the trigger is being tried for murder, but there were lots of police involved, one of whom said he was also pointing a gun
Chris Kaba shooting: Met Police officer feared for his life, court told
A police marksman raised his gun in fear as his colleague fatally shot Chris Kaba, a court is told.
www.bbc.co.uk
Why are there not multiple charges against the other police?
8ball
Merr xmas...
It’s just one of those mysteries, I suppose..
GarveyLives
Well-Known Member
Someone who understands law, can you please answer this:
If a group of five armed men enter a bank to Rob it and one of them shoots a customer, all five are as liable to be charged, tried and convicted as the one who pulled the trigger.
Murder and manslaughter charges under joint enterprise rise despite concern
Nearly 1,000 people charged in five years in England and Wales under doctrine that supreme court said had taken ‘wrong turn’
In this case, the person who pulled the trigger is being tried for murder, but there were lots of police involved, one of whom said he was also pointing a gun
Chris Kaba shooting: Met Police officer feared for his life, court told
A police marksman raised his gun in fear as his colleague fatally shot Chris Kaba, a court is told.www.bbc.co.uk
Why are there not multiple charges against the other police?
This may be because no evidence capable of being used in a court exists of a joint enterprise to murder or inflict grevious bodily harm on anyone in this case.
(Source: Crown Prosecution Service)
The positions of NX121 Martyn Blake (yellow) and Police Office DS87 (orange) in front of the Audi moto vehicle driven by
the late Chris Kaba's at the moment that he was shot by PC Martyn Blake
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Or they haven't been looking for such
Gromit
International Man of Misery
They’ve banged up people under joint enterprise with no evidence before. Just assumptions.
One of the reasons that a former board member (that I still know) has been campaigning for years against Joint enterprise.
8ball
Merr xmas...
This may be because no evidence capable of being used in a court exists of a joint enterprise to murder or inflict grevious bodily harm on anyone in this case.
(Source: Crown Prosecution Service)
The positions of NX121 Martyn Blake (yellow) and Police Office DS87 (orange) in front of the Audi moto vehicle driven by
the late Chris Kaba's at the moment that he was shot by PC Martyn Blake
Unsure if sarcasm…
Rushy
basically a scrotum
All the robbers in your example were knowingly committing armed offences, along with the inherent and predictable risks to life. Armed police are not (in principle) committing an offence when detaining someone at gun point. I suspect that you would need to show that they either expected or intended an offence to occur in order to be considered party to it.Someone who understands law, can you please answer this:
If a group of five armed men enter a bank to Rob it and one of them shoots a customer, all five are as liable to be charged, tried and convicted as the one who pulled the trigger.
Murder and manslaughter charges under joint enterprise rise despite concern
Nearly 1,000 people charged in five years in England and Wales under doctrine that supreme court said had taken ‘wrong turn’
In this case, the person who pulled the trigger is being tried for murder, but there were lots of police involved, one of whom said he was also pointing a gun
Chris Kaba shooting: Met Police officer feared for his life, court told
A police marksman raised his gun in fear as his colleague fatally shot Chris Kaba, a court is told.www.bbc.co.uk
Why are there not multiple charges against the other police?
Boris Sprinkler
Dont be scared
Detaining someone at gunpoint is very different to screaming at them as you pump bullets into them.
It’s hard to make the distinction. I guess in my crude example, those convicted under joint enterprise would argue that they only intended to scare people with the guns and the shooter acted in a way they hadn’t anticipated.
Indeed, the impression I’m getting from the testimony of the colleagues is that if the shooter hadn’t fired, they would have done so instead, but could just as easily have given the above excuse if they were unhappy with the shooting of Chris Kaba.
scalyboy
They’re taking the piss now
Thanks for this edcraw, was listening last night and began to read more details of the case.
It seems to me quite possible that Chris Kaba's apparently ramming the car in front and reversing at speed* may not have been due to aggression and a desire to injure or kill police officers, but instead may have been motivated by panic, being shit-scared by a number of armed police yelling and aiming firearms at him.
* also, I believe at least one witness estimated his speed to have been 10-12mph
GarveyLives
Well-Known Member
Additionally, can the same person (i.e. "Someone who understands law") also comment on how common it is for all of the prosecution's eyewitnesses in a murder trial to be hostile witnesses.
GarveyLives
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The murder trial for the killing of Chris Kaba has begun today
Chris Kaba: Anger possible factor in Met Police shooting - court
Met Police marksman Martyn Blake is on trial accused of murder over the shooting of Chris Kaba.www.bbc.co.uk
The BBC headline appeared a strange diversion from the main elements of the prosecution case presented on the opening two days of the trial before any evidence was called.
Channel 4 news report on 3 October 2024:
On the second day of the trial, at the end of his opening, leading counsel for the prosecution laid out five key points that sum up the prosecution case:
* The reversing - the first time that the late Chris Kaba did so was 'only in a minor way' and the second time was 8 m.p.h
* Brake lights - these came on and alerted the officers around the Audi to what would happen
* Risk gone - the gap behind Mr Kaba's car had been closed and the officers had moved away
* Officer positions - there were three officers between the car and gap that it had failed to get through
* Car stopped - The Audi was stationary, Mr Kaba's hands were on the wheel, and he was unarmed
Addressing the final point, he stated:
"At the point at which the defendant (i.e. PC Martyn Blake) discharged his firearm the Audi was stationary. Chris Kaba’s hands were on the wheel and were visible to the defendant.
"There was no revving as described, there was no potential firearm in his hand, and it was far from certain that he would try again to drive through a gap given that he had failed to get through the gap before.
"There was no firearm in the vehicle and the defendant (i.e. PC Martyn Blake) does not suggest that there was any movement by him of his hands to make him think that he was reaching for a firearm."
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GarveyLives
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It is unclear from the media reports whether any witness has attended court to give evidence on this issue, but it seems to be agreed as a matter of fact that according to the computer in the Audi Q8 that the late Chris Kaba was in when he was shot in the forehead by PC Martyn Blake, it had been driven at speeds of 8 mph (reversing) and a maximum of 12mph (going forward) when the driver struck the police vehicles which were boxing him in.
In the prepared statement that he gave the Independent Office for Police Conduct PC Martyn Blake claimed:
“I fired to save the lives of my colleagues.
“It was my genuine belief that if I had not incapacitated the driver, the vehicle would have continued to move forward with one or more of my colleagues going under and being killed.”
The jury will have to decide how this prepared account compares to the actual evidence. The vehicle was apparently stationary at the time that the late Chris Kaba was shot in the forehead by PC Martyn Blake.
Chris Kaba shooting: Firearms officer not guilty of murder
Martyn Blake is found not guilty of murdering Chris Kaba, who was shot on 5 September 2022.
www.bbc.co.uk
Not guilty for Martyn Blake. I wonder if this means he goes back to work, performing the same armed tasks.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
that's a fucking kick in the teeth for anyone who thought that there'd be some actual accountability for kaba's murder
story
Changing the facts
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
The jury, having heard all the evidence, returned a 'Not Guilty' verdict in less than three hours.
Met police officer who shot Chris Kaba acquitted of murder
Martyn Blake shot Kaba, who was unarmed, in 2022, saying he feared Kaba would use car to kill officers
As mentioned before the murder charge seemed very bizarre and little chance of a conviction. The news was saying there's an inquest next year that will hopefully be more useful though Mark Rowley's reaction makes it seem he thinks there's no lessons at a the be learned from this.
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