Chris Kaba, 24, shot dead by police in Streatham, Mon 5th Sept 2022
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SpookyFrank
Float like a caterpillar, sting like a tree
You can trust their initial statement to be false. It's a genuinely useful indicator of what didn't happen.
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
This from the thread was very interesting. Apologies if it's been posted before
Forensic Architecture
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teqniq
DisMembered
CPS look to be dragging their feet on this. 5 months and no decision:
GarveyLives
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On 30 March 2023, the Independent Office for Police Conduct announced that it had concluded its homicide investigation and has passed the file to the Crown Prosecution Service to consider potential criminal charges, after the Late Chris Kaba was fatally shot by a firearms officer from the Metropolitan Police known only as NX121 on 5 September 2022 in Kirkstall Gardens, Streatham Hill. The reaction of Mr Kaba's family does not appear to have been set out in full here, nor does it appear that they participate in this forum.
Therefore, for the sake of completeness, here is their 30 March 2023 statement:
Therefore, for the sake of completeness, here is their 30 March 2023 statement:
GarveyLives
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Earlier today, the following statement was issued by the family of the Late Chris Kaba:
Officer to be charged with murder.
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
Chris Kaba: Officer faces murder charge over shooting
Chris Kaba was shot and killed in Streatham Hill, south London, on 6 September 2022.
www.bbc.co.uk
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Good news - but we've been down this road so often without it ending in any sort of justice
Gromit
International Man of Misery
If a seemingly ordinary everyday car suddenly blocked me ahead and another blocked me behind...
... I'd probably think I was being jacked and try to smash my way out.
It wasn't a planned stop I hear.
The firearms unit was waiting to join behind the existing tail. Then plan a stop.
Instead the car came down the road they were waiting in so they jumped to stop it there and then. All very sudden. Without warning.
Had they stuck to the original plan the stop might have been calmer, more controlled and less disastrous.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yeh it might have been, but history suggests it would have still ended in kaba's death
Torpid Scorpion
Basket case
Are we meant to be satisfied that NX121 Will face trial for murder? What about the rest of them?
Remanded in custody and headed to the Old Bailey.
GarveyLives
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The Metropolitan Police officer accused of the murder of the Late Chris Kaba who is currently known only as NX121, appeared at Westminster Magistrates’ Court earlier today where a court order was put in place by District Judge Nina Tempia banning the publication of anything that would identify him, including any description. He was remanded in custody.
NX121 later appeared at the Old Bailey, where he was granted bail on the conditions that he lives at a named address, surrenders his passport and does not apply for international travel documents.
The Recorder of London, Mark Lucraft KC, told NX121 said that a plea and trial preparation hearing will be listed for 1 December 2023, with a possible trial date of 9 September 2024, just over two years after the Late Chris Kaba was shot dead.
A hearing will take place at the Old Bailey on 29 September 2023 to discuss the legal order that bans the identification of NX121.
I didn’t realise he got remanded and then unremanded at the higher court. How long was he remanded for then? Twenty minutes?
Tulster218
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You would if you were a police officer.
GarveyLives
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The Recorder of London, Mark Lucraft KC, also told the serving Metropolitan Police officer currently known only as NX121 that he would allow him (NX121) to go on a pre-booked holiday in the jurisdiction of England and Wales.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Once again armed cops threaten to hand back their firearms authorisations in protest at one of them being charged with murder Dozens of Met officers refuse armed patrols after colleague’s murder charge
Let them. Sure the streets would be safer
Let them. Sure the streets would be safer
Yes, really crap, surely they should face some sanctions. Also shit comments from the commissioner- as always their first priority is to look after their own rather than any self reflection & examination of what went wrong. How Cressida Dick ever became commissioner after the killing of Jean Charles de Menezes and the lies told I’ll never understand!
news.met.police.uk
Commissioner reflects following discussions with firearms officers
Commissioner Sir Mark Rowley has been meeting with firearms officers who continue to police across London following the CPS decision to charge a Met officer...
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SpookyFrank
Float like a caterpillar, sting like a tree
Certainly wouldn't get anonymity. And unconditional bail, for murder?
Gromit
International Man of Misery
Chris Kaba: Armed officers step back from duties after murder charge
Some police relinquish right to hold firearms after colleague is charged with the murder of Chris Kaba.
www.bbc.co.uk
Police officers horrified to learn they could be held accountable for killing an innocent.
If I hurt someone by negligence (in work or outside of work) the police get involved and I can do jail time.
Why do they think they should be exempt from the same when they literally carry the power of life and death?
DJWrongspeed
radio eros
I'm not sure how the officer can be charged with murder. The officer may have been willfully negligent but did he intend to kill? that's what the trial will discover.
It's a shocking case and the police need to be held account but isn't a manslaughter conviction more likely?
It's a shocking case and the police need to be held account but isn't a manslaughter conviction more likely?
teqniq
DisMembered
He was shot in the head. That implies intent to kill, ergo murder.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Also if there was no opportunity to surrender and i don't suppose the cop shouted armed police or anything either.
Gromit
International Man of Misery
I would have thought manslaughter too. That was based on the story we were told.
Maybe that story was false and the true story is a murder. The court will hear the evidence and decide.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
I doubt that will be the focus. I suspect the defence won't question the intent to kill (for example by claiming a negligent discharge of the firearm), rather the main question will probably be whether the killing was unlawful:
Subject to three exceptions ([diminished responsibility, loss of control and suicide pacts]) the crime of murder is committed, where a person:
- Of sound mind and discretion (i.e. sane);
- unlawfully kills (i.e. not self-defence or other justified killing);
- any reasonable creature (human being);
- in being (born alive and breathing through its own lungs - Rance v Mid-Downs Health Authority (1991) 1 All ER 801 and AG Ref No 3 of 1994 (1997) 3 All ER 936;
- under the King's Peace (not in war-time);
- with intent to kill or cause grievous bodily harm (GBH).
I thought there had to be some planning involved. Someone licensed to kill could argue a series of bad decisions led to it.
SpookyFrank
Float like a caterpillar, sting like a tree
Normally if you supplied a murderer with the gun he used to kill someone, that'd be grounds for a criminal charge.
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