Chilcot Iraq Enquiry.

[binka]

Bertie Basra is one of those things that will stay with me for the rest of my life. It just seems so unreal I can't get my head round it

 

[Wilf]

My gag reflex stops me from listening to the actual interview, but there's more semantic defence here from Blair, hanging on 'but' (with regard to the UN).
Tony Blair: 'with you, whatever' pledge was not commitment to war
At one level we shouldn't be too shocked by this way of operating, but he is still playing word games about hundreds of thousands of deaths in the same way you'd expect a politician to talk about missing waiting time deadlines for passport applications.

 

[Wilf]

'Partner of choice', fucking hell! Partner of choice in what Tony? What did you and your partner embark upon tone?

 

[Pickman's model]

My gag reflex stops me from listening to the actual interview, but there's more semantic defence here from Blair, hanging on 'but' (with regard to the UN).
Tony Blair: 'with you, whatever' pledge was not commitment to war
At one level we shouldn't be too shocked by this way of operating, but he is still playing word games about hundreds of thousands of deaths in the same way you'd expect a politician to talk about missing waiting time deadlines for passport applications.

lest we forget

 

[Pickman's model]

'Partner of choice', fucking hell! Partner of choice in what Tony? What did you and your partner embark upon tone?

some sort of drug-fuelled binge followed by moments of consensual sex?

 

[Wilf]

Partner of choice, fucking hell, wonder what the military families will make of that? There's a point when your whole way of using language becomes so PR focused that that you end up saying things that are not even well chosen, effective phrases, but are grossly offensive. Rose and Fred West, partners of choice.

 

[Lurdan]

It turns out there is an opportunity to make amends for one of the gravest injustices caused by the invasion of Iraq

 

[Wilf]

It turns out there is an opportunity to make amends for one of the gravest injustices caused by the invasion of Iraq

Fuck. Ing. Hell.

 

[killer b]

I suspect George's phone calls are going unanswered.

 

[Wilf]

Irrelevant in the context of mass slaughter, but the blairites will be ready to denounce any signs of Galloway cosying up to Corbyn. But what a cunt choosing this moment to wail about the injustice done to him. (((((Casualties of war))))

 

[Wilf]

I suspect George's phone calls are going unanswered.

I'm not sure, technically, whether standing against a Labour candidate is still a reason to expel someone when they have already been expelled? But .... he did, not only stood against, but actually won a seat against Labour, twice.

 

[killer b]

That's all get aroundable if they wanted to, they took Livington back in similar circumstances. They would be mad to want him though. Galloway is poison.

 

[Wilf]

That's all get aroundable if they wanted to, they took Livington back in similar circumstances. They would be mad to want him though. Galloway is poison.

Not disagreeing, but the circumstances were a bit different. Can't remember the detail but wasn't the selection process where they chose Frank Dobson gerrymandered? Also, Livingstone actually won, so Labour had good reasons to readmit him. None of that applies to Galloway, and as you say, he's poison.

Corbyn should tell him that his expulsion may have entailed some poor electoral etiquette, but essentially he can fuck right off.

 

[DotCommunist]

galloway picked the team of leavers that the main campaign of leavers were avoiding giving airtime to who keeps voting for him

 

[Miss-Shelf]

Can anyone give me an update on yesterday and today in UK politics? I have been celebrating Eid at a friend's house and don't know the chilcot fallout.

Bullet points would be great

 

[belboid]

Can anyone give me an update on yesterday and today in UK politics? I have been celebrating Eid at a friend's house and don't know the chilcot fallout.

Bullet points would be great

Chilcot report: Findings at-a-glance - BBC News - a reasonable summary of the key points.

Blair didn't explicitly lie, but allowed himself to be led by dubious data and then insisted that evidence was much stronger than it was. The war was not necessary, the war was not planned properly, nor executed adequately, and as for the post-war planning, there wasn't any.

Blair says 'the report exonerates me completely....good faith...Saddam was a bad man'

 

[Miss-Shelf]

Chilcot report: Findings at-a-glance - BBC News - a reasonable summary of the key points.

Blair didn't explicitly lie, but allowed himself to be led by dubious data and then insisted that evidence was much stronger than it was. The war was not necessary, the war was not planned properly, nor executed adequately, and as for the post-war planning, there wasn't any.

Blair says 'the report exonerates me completely....good faith...Saddam was a bad man'

Thank you
Blair is deluded then so nothing new?
What political capital is being made by anyone out if this ?

 

[belboid]

Mostly still being polite, respect for the dead n all that. Corbyn apologised for the Labour Party's role in the whole affair.

 

[Wilf]

Blair says 'the report exonerates me completely....good faith...Saddam was a bad man'

Deluded people everywhere must be concerned that Blair is giving them a bad name.

 

[gosub]

Chilcot report: Findings at-a-glance - BBC News - a reasonable summary of the key points.

Blair didn't explicitly lie, but allowed himself to be led by dubious data and then insisted that evidence was much stronger than it was. The war was not necessary, the war was not planned properly, nor executed adequately, and as for the post-war planning, there wasn't any.

Blair says 'the report exonerates me completely....good faith...Saddam was a bad man'

DFS fault -didn't stock large enough sofas

 

[kebabking]

Deluded people everywhere must be concerned that Blair is giving them a bad name.

I hear Peter Sutcliffe may sue....

 

[Wilf]

Mostly still being polite, respect for the dead n all that. Corbyn apologised for the Labour Party's role in the whole affair.

In some ways it was an astute thing to do with regard to his own battles with the blairites, but I like to think he did it for the best of reasons. After a decade of lies he struck the right note.

 

[belboid]

In some ways it was an astute thing to do with regard to his own battles with the blairites, but I like to think he did it for the best of reasons. After a decade of lies he struck the right note.

On notable contrast to Farron, who just said 'we got it right, and you were rude to us and to Charles Kennedy, it's not fair'

 

[Sifta]

I suspect George's phone calls are going unanswered.

I do hope so, but: (re Seamus Milne)

"Some journalists saw him as a slightly sinister, furtive, cold figure, always pacing the corridors while on his mobile phone, talking almost daily to his close friend George Galloway, whom he addressed as “chief”. "

From the New Statesman, so probably shite

The thin controller

 

[agricola]

It turns out there is an opportunity to make amends for one of the gravest injustices caused by the invasion of Iraq

The Iron Man of Islington should immediately readmit him, then immediately expel him because of his antics when opposed by his assistant.

Chilcot report: Findings at-a-glance - BBC News - a reasonable summary of the key points.

Blair didn't explicitly lie, but allowed himself to be led by dubious data and then insisted that evidence was much stronger than it was. The war was not necessary, the war was not planned properly, nor executed adequately, and as for the post-war planning, there wasn't any.

Blair says 'the report exonerates me completely....good faith...Saddam was a bad man'

TBF I think it would be better to say that the report doesn't say Blair explicitly lied - but it gently points out that much of what he said publicly was in direct opposition to what he knew.

 

[Wilf]

Statement of the obvious alert: the other thing with regard to not actually lying, is that for blair to have genuinely believed the WMD stuff, 45 minute claim and the like, he'd have to have had an IQ lower than the room temperature, be the most stupid PM ever. I'd like to see a court interrogation like the one done on Jack Nicholson in a few good men. Trapped between admitting criminal liability and having to paint himself as thick, gullible and lacking even the most basic instincts of a decision maker, well, who knows which way he'd go. 'Look, y'know, you guys can't handle the truth'.

 

[Pickman's model]

Statement of the obvious alert: the other thing with regard to not actually lying, is that for blair to have genuinely believed the WMD stuff, 45 minute claim and the like, he'd have to have had an IQ lower than the room temperature, be the most stupid PM ever. I'd like to see a court interrogation like the one done on Jack Nicholson in a few good men. Trapped between admitting criminal liability and having to paint himself as thick, gullible and lacking even the most basic instincts of a decision maker, well, who knows which way he'd go. 'Look, y'know, you guys can't handle the truth'.

i'd like to see him get waterboarded, to have the full guantanamo experience

 

[Wilf]

Flippancy aside, I didn't see any coverage yesterday. Did any of the journos ask him questions along the lines of 'so, are you saying you are basically just thick and incompetent'?

 

[DotCommunist]

can't remember. Its all a blur now, all I can remember is consumate actor blair appearing visibly distressed cos, y'know, look he is the real victim in all this. Journos were openly contemptuose during the question bits but that joy was tempered by the rememberance of the fourth estates role in the whole charade. Some were on high horses they had no right to be on given the mastheads they publish under. 2 hours long. Lets do the timewarp again, only this time TB looks like he's recovering from his own initials

 

[agricola]

Statement of the obvious alert: the other thing with regard to not actually lying, is that for blair to have genuinely believed the WMD stuff, 45 minute claim and the like, he'd have to have had an IQ lower than the room temperature, be the most stupid PM ever. I'd like to see a court interrogation like the one done on Jack Nicholson in a few good men. Trapped between admitting criminal liability and having to paint himself as thick, gullible and lacking even the most basic instincts of a decision maker, well, who knows which way he'd go. 'Look, y'know, you guys can't handle the truth'.

Apologies for the Mail link, but there was a very good article by Stephen Glover today questioning his mental health, and that many people ignored what he did and said because he seemed like such a decent chap. He also reminds us of this gem, from the Labour Party conference of October 2001:

So I believe this is a fight for freedom. And I want to make it a fight for justice too. Justice not only to punish the guilty. But justice to bring those same values of democracy and freedom to people round the world.

And I mean: freedom, not only in the narrow sense of personal liberty but in the broader sense of each individual having the economic and social freedom to develop their potential to the full. That is what community means, founded on the equal worth of all.

The starving, the wretched, the dispossessed, the ignorant, those living in want and squalor from the deserts of Northern Africa to the slums of Gaza, to the mountain ranges of Afghanistan: they too are our cause.

This is a moment to seize. The Kaleidoscope has been shaken. The pieces are in flux. Soon they will settle again. Before they do, let us re-order this world around us.