Chilcot Iraq Enquiry.
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Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Absolute fucking shit of a man. Not in my name. Fuck you.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
totally putting on the intelligence services now. I'm no fan of the cowboys but its looking like trying to get blair off the hook.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
In one way it was an opportunity missed; if they had continued to abuse him (or more likely got worse) during the apology on the floor of the Commons they would have destroyed themselves.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
Warcrime scum and their apologists know how this works - all chip wrappings by Friday. Media dont generally give a fuck beyond it being padding for content.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
Tbf they havn't realised the comic version with large print and small words yet.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
Ann Clwyd now valiantly Hodoring for Blair. "I wish people would ask Iraqis what they think of the invasion", etc
On the news this evening a BBC correspondent said that he hadn't heard one Iraqi who thought the invasion was a good idea.
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
Sifta
So let's not talk of love and flowers
And they're going to take that with good grace? If I was a Blairite I'd be treading very carefully in case I ended up in a carefully laid trap.
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
That is jaw-dropping. It's easy to forget quite how fawning the press were over the mass-murderer.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Now on C4 News giving it to Campbell.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
And they're going to take that with good grace? If I was a Blairite I'd be treading very carefully in case I ended up in a carefully laid trap.
Or a north face expedition bag...
I'm afraid today's performance by Blair has reaffirmed my long held view that his mind has been broken by his guilt and regret over his decisions - that has manifested itself in his delusional, messianic, responsibility-avoiding behaviour, but I don't think that makes it any less true.
elbows
Well-Known Member
I don't know how much of it I will read in the end but I will attempt to digest at least a few big chunks of it over time.
Tonight I've just dived into section 3.1, 'DEVELOPMENT OF UK STRATEGY AND OPTIONS, 9/11 TO EARLY JANUARY 2002'.
It's hard to know what to quote really, given that big chunks are sometimes required to get the proper context. And that I'm not exactly expecting a shitload of big revelations given how much already emerged in the past. So for now I suppose I will just mutter something about the absurdity of hinging a debate angle on the question of whether someone was lying when that same someone is quite prepared to talk about setting up propaganda units. No revelation, no shock or loss of comedic levels of naivety, and sometimes the best propaganda is true, doesn't have to be a lie. But this sort of stuff still tickles an area that's me reaching for lazy Orwellian terms to respond with, ooh double-think. Hopefully I'll get away with that one just this once given Orwells background.
Tonight I've just dived into section 3.1, 'DEVELOPMENT OF UK STRATEGY AND OPTIONS, 9/11 TO EARLY JANUARY 2002'.
It's hard to know what to quote really, given that big chunks are sometimes required to get the proper context. And that I'm not exactly expecting a shitload of big revelations given how much already emerged in the past. So for now I suppose I will just mutter something about the absurdity of hinging a debate angle on the question of whether someone was lying when that same someone is quite prepared to talk about setting up propaganda units. No revelation, no shock or loss of comedic levels of naivety, and sometimes the best propaganda is true, doesn't have to be a lie. But this sort of stuff still tickles an area that's me reaching for lazy Orwellian terms to respond with, ooh double-think. Hopefully I'll get away with that one just this once given Orwells background.
Sifta
So let's not talk of love and flowers
John Crace. Cruel but fair:
Chilcot offered chance for political catharsis – but who would grasp it?
Not forgetting a psychotic, narcissistic breakdown. Me, me, me. The war hadn’t been about the 179 British soldiers and several hundred thousand Iraqis who died. It had been about him all along. Did people not understand how difficult the decision had been for him? And did people still not understand the decision had been absolutely correct, and that God had personally told him that countless more lives had been saved by going to war than had been lost in it? For Tony is an honourable man.
Yes, there were one or two things he could have done better. He could have had one or two more cabinet meetings prior to going to war and in hindsight he wished he had done that. Tony’s eyes burned with the conviction of martyrdom. He wasn’t a naughty boy, he was the Messiah. And he was heaven-bent on carrying on fighting a war he had long ago lost.
Chilcot offered chance for political catharsis – but who would grasp it?
Not forgetting a psychotic, narcissistic breakdown. Me, me, me. The war hadn’t been about the 179 British soldiers and several hundred thousand Iraqis who died. It had been about him all along. Did people not understand how difficult the decision had been for him? And did people still not understand the decision had been absolutely correct, and that God had personally told him that countless more lives had been saved by going to war than had been lost in it? For Tony is an honourable man.
Yes, there were one or two things he could have done better. He could have had one or two more cabinet meetings prior to going to war and in hindsight he wished he had done that. Tony’s eyes burned with the conviction of martyrdom. He wasn’t a naughty boy, he was the Messiah. And he was heaven-bent on carrying on fighting a war he had long ago lost.
dylanredefined
Not a house elf a tiger
Marsh Arabs were quite pleased suggesting to them that Bush and Blair were bad guys did not go down well. They had been fucked over by Saddam and were looking for pay back. The Arabs in Basra saw them as kind of like scary hillbillies types and wouldn't set foot in the marshes, none of our interperators would ever come with us when we patrolled that part.
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Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
Fuck me but today has got to me. Especailly Blairs outrageous, narcissistic, delusional, self justification - i think he actually is a fucking psychopath. Iraq was a hugely destructive, monstrous act of imperial hubris - the US and UK governments were told it would lead to chaos and death but considered that a price worth paying (by the iraqis) - and blair, despite the mountains of corpses and the accelerating cluster fuck that continues to unfold in the region - still fucking believes that!
The man is a monster.
The man is a monster.
The lack of fucks given is perplexing. The man is a master liar. Several screws loose there.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
hes been reading this report for weeks - hes fully aware of what it says and he's had time to fully reflect on it. And its a pretty devastating critique of the whole episode with him as the main actor - and the cunts only response has been to plan - in detail and with his closest advisers - how to make himself look good.
No shame, no remorse, no regrets and only minimal acknowledgement that anything was done wrong - and certainly not by him . You'd think he'd want to hide - not give a two hour fucking speech telling us all that - whilst he was, you know, very, very, sorry for massive death toll - he was right then and hes still right now.
No shame, no remorse, no regrets and only minimal acknowledgement that anything was done wrong - and certainly not by him . You'd think he'd want to hide - not give a two hour fucking speech telling us all that - whilst he was, you know, very, very, sorry for massive death toll - he was right then and hes still right now.
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Alternatively he might just as well have been sat on the bidet in his tastefully decorated en-suite, eyes fixed on his own eyes in the mirrored mosaic, loose leaves of advance Chilcot strewn about his feet, as he intoned his favourite, memorised passages, wanking himself to near completion.
gawkrodger
Well-Known Member
gosub
~#
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
That's it. Even if you were to have the crude self importance and justification of the politician in your psychological make up, how does it survive the last decade? How are you able to keep telling yourself that what you did was rational, legal, the right decision in the circumstances when you see the corpses piling up? Never mind the British dead, the failure of the whole project, what about fucking ISIS, what about hundreds of thousands of Iraqis dead? How do you not, literally, go mad with what you've done - there's nowhere to hide, the whole world knows that every component in the decision was wrong.
How do you spend the next decade going round the world hovering up millions of pounds? How do, never mind not going mad, end up A FUCKING MIDDLE EAST PEACE ENVOY??? If psychologists want to really explore the darker reaches of the human soul, why bother with the mundane psychopaths. Go straight to Milosovic, Blair and Pol Pot.
Tony Blair
every thing he says sucks and slurs on every word
one of the worlds richest men now,
lady muck will be pleased
yes, he has corpses in his mouth,,
every thing he says sucks and slurs on every word
one of the worlds richest men now,
lady muck will be pleased
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
letting Kissenger off you liberal
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