Chilcot Iraq Enquiry.

[DotCommunist]

listen to the beeb apologists. 'sense of how lonely power is' you prat

 

[DaveCinzano]

13m ago16:15

Reg Keys says Blair's statement was 'ramblings of a madman'
Reg Keys, whose son Tom died in Iraq and who stood against Tony Blair in the 2005 election, is responding to Tony Blair now on BBC News.

He says Blair was “rambling”. Blair feels he has been exonerated by Chilcot, Keys says. But he says that is not what the report says.

He says Blair misled parliament.

And he accuses Blair of refusing to meeting relatives of those killed in Iraq.

Keys says his view is that his son and other soldiers did die in vain.

He says Blair is a “consummate actor”.

He says Blair’s comments were just “the ramblings of a madman”.

He says Blair has been found guilty by Sir John Chilcot.

Relatives of servicemen killed are handing the findings to lawyers. They will take whatever action is appropriate.

He says Chilcot has done a “damn good job”. It is a very thorough report, he says.

Seems a fair summary.

 

[Wilf]

I have refrained from watching any of this thus far, preferring to read the comments here. Also to be kind to my blood pressure.

Me too. Apart from the fact I'm working (lol), even on the day when it's all laid out to see, I can't get any satisfaction from it knowing there won't be any justice or consequences. Psycho that he is, I can't see blair getting anything less than 8 hours tonight.

 

[YouSir]

Me too. Apart from the fact I'm working (lol), even on the day when it's all laid out to see, I can't get any satisfaction from it knowing there won't be any justice or consequences. Psycho that he is, I can't see blair getting anything less than 8 hours tonight.

0 hours, he just stares at himself in the mirror all night while a painting of him in Alastair Campbell's loft grows ever more dessicated.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Now Goldsmith's trying to hop onboard the exoneration express:

This was my conclusion after an in-depth study of all the available information.

"In-depth study of all the available information"?

Fuck off Google wanker

 

[Wilf]

0 hours, he just stares at himself in the mirror all night while a painting of him in Alastair Campbell's loft grows ever more dessicated.

That's just an Ugly Rumour.

 

[Wilf]

Now Goldsmith's trying to hop onboard the exoneration express:

He Poops to Conquer?

 

[two sheds]

Not sure if it's been mentioned but I seem to recall there was an early day motion when Saddam was gassing the Kurds calling on him to stop and Blair (and Straw) wouldn't sign it on the grounds that he was a strong ruler and it was nothing to do with us. Then much later the gassing became a major reason cited for us to invade.

Eta this:

Two early day motions in March 1988 and three more in 1989, 1994 and 1998 deploring the attacks went unsigned by Jack Straw, Tony Blair, John Prescott, David Blunkett and Geoff Hoon.

Reasons to be Fearful | Socialist Review

 

[DotCommunist]

in all of his speech the honest bit was that he's upset and being called a liar by 90% of the country he served. Well if you don't want to be called a liar...

 

[brogdale]

Apols if this has already been posted, but I heard this woman interviewed earlier on R5, and a excoriating account it was.
Sarah O'Connor brands Blair "The world's worst terrorist".
Well said.

 

[teqniq]

Not sure if it's been mentioned but I seem to recall there was an early day motion when Saddam was gassing the Kurds calling on him to stop and Blair (and Straw) wouldn't sign it on the grounds that he was a strong ruler and it was nothing to do with us. Then much later the gassing became a major reason cited for us to invade.

Eta this:



Reasons to be Fearful | Socialist Review

Also lest it be forgotten:

Foreign Office ‘did not stop Iraq making chemical weapons’

The government delayed taking action to prevent Iraq obtaining chemical weapons partially because British exporters were involved in the trade, according to Foreign Office documents.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Apols if this has already been posted, but I heard this woman interviewed earlier on R5, and a excoriating account it was.
Sarah O'Connor brands Blair "The world's worst terrorist".
Well said.

I was just about to post her remarks - powerful stuff.

More here:

'Blair is world's worst terrorist': families of Iraq war victims react to Chilcot report

 

[co-op]

Not sure if it's been mentioned but I seem to recall there was an early day motion when Saddam was gassing the Kurds calling on him to stop and Blair (and Straw) wouldn't sign it on the grounds that he was a strong ruler and it was nothing to do with us. Then much later the gassing became a major reason cited for us to invade.

Eta this:



Reasons to be Fearful | Socialist Review

To be fair to Blair he was on the Shadow Front Bench by 1984 and Front Benchers are not allowed to sign EDMs. Don't know about the others on that list but it would be true of some of them too.

 

[two sheds]

Blair was evil and he ruined Iraqi society and British democracy forever. Also, Jeremy Corbyn is the socurge of everything and must be replaced by an unconvincing Blair clone ASAP.

/guardian

Didn't Thatcher start the steamrollering over opposition? Before her I recall having parliamentary votes where you didn't know how the result would go.

 

[two sheds]

To be fair to Blair he was on the Shadow Front Bench by 1984 and Front Benchers are not allowed to sign EDMs. Don't know about the others on that list but it would be true of some of them too.

Ah ok hadn't seen that reported before, ta.

 

[two sheds]

... but co-op can I just pull you up on this:

To be fair to Blair

 

[co-op]

Ah ok hadn't seen that reported before, ta.

I'm assuming it's still the case, I just tried googling it but no results. I used to hassle my exMP about EDMs and that was in one of her responses when she got a front bench post.

 

[co-op]

... but co-op can I just pull you up on this:

I know, it was kind of kinky typing that.

 

[treelover]

Anyone else find it extremely poor taste to mention the hundreds of thousands of civillian deaths in the same breath as the fourteen-and-a-half British troops who died? If you join the army and invade an almost defenceless third world country and you still manage to get yourself killed, fuck you.

Very nice, tell the families of the dead soldiers that

Oh, and it doesn't excluse compassion for the Iraqi civilian dead.

 

[treelover]

"We didn't start it", says Pat McFadden. "Saddam was killing people long before" (or similar)

Really, if Momentum are doing nothing else right now it should be to get all of these speeches bundled together into one little clip, accompanied by captions with statements from the Chilcott report.

McFadden, from an old Communist family, is appalling.

 

[Pickman's model]

Anyone else find it extremely poor taste to mention the hundreds of thousands of civillian deaths in the same breath as the fourteen-and-a-half British troops who died? If you join the army and invade an almost defenceless third world country and you still manage to get yourself killed, fuck you.

i don't think that's entirely fair, being as the iraqis have shown themselves proficient in their chosen style of warfare. however, i have noticed that the stwc's occasional readings of names of the war dead have not to date included the name of one iraqi.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Britain: Soft on warcrime. Soft on the causes of warcrime.

 

[agricola]

So basically it seems Blair was wrong to believe what he did, and the rest of government, the Foreign Office, the Intelligence Services and the military were to blame for not stopping him.

 

[gawkrodger]

McFadden, from an old Communist family, is appalling.

My local MPs are showering themselves with glory currently (not in any way suggesting they were better previously!).

 

[killer b]

Blair's speech was unbelievable. Tears! Fucking hell.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Blair's speech was unbelievable. Tears! Fucking hell.

Well, he is the true victim in all this

 

[likesfish]

That utter cunt I remember asking in 1991 why we didnt go in and finish saddam long with quite a few others and having it explained by some int corp officer why that would be a truly terrible idea.
The three groups hate one another both turkey and iran would stir shit up it might destabilse syria and Saudi wouldnt be keen might even effect israel.
So not knowing it was a terrible terrible idea is bollocks.

 

[DaveCinzano]

GWB spokesman today:

President Bush is hosting wounded warriors at his ranch today and has not had the chance to read the Chilcot report...

Chilcot report live: George Bush says 'world is better off' without Saddam as Tony Blair mounts Iraq war defence

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Maybe one of those "wounded warriors" snaps, & blows George's fucking head off.

 

[Pickman's model]

Maybe one of those "wounded warriors" snaps, & blows George's fucking head off.

Doesn't need to be a ww, could be a passing squirrel or curious child