Chechnyan concentration camp for gay men. For real?

[Mation]

More than 100 gay men have been detained in concentration camp-style prisons in the Russian region of Chechnya, according to reports by local newspapers and human rights organisations.

The arrests are being made as part of a widespread anti-LGBT purge in the area. The prison camps are the first to be established for LGBT people since the Second World War.

Chechnya detains 100 gay men in first concentration camps since the Holocaust

Does anyone know anything about this? Is this a good/reliable source of news?

 

[Mation]

To be clear, I don't doubt that it's possible

 

[YouSir]

Can't talk for the veracity of the claims but with Kadyrov it wouldn't be a huge surprise would it? If anything the only shock is that they're being taken to a camp and not just disappeared completely as is his usual way.

 

[ElizabethofYork]

It's being reported in the mainstream press too. What a shocking story.
Chechen police 'have rounded up more than 100 suspected gay men'

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Sickening - both the actions of what is undoubtably a fascist state but also the silence on this issue elsewhere.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

There's people in western countries that would love to do the same thing. Anyone old enough to remember the first reactions to the AIDS epidemic?

 

[Smokeandsteam]

To add. There is an Amensty pettion here which has 12,000 odd signatures -
Stop abducting and killing gay men in Chechnya

and the Gay Times magazine and other campaigners are planning a protest outside the Russian Embassy tomorrow.

Other than that silence.......

 

[Mation]

Can't talk for the veracity of the claims but with Kadyrov it wouldn't be a huge surprise would it? If anything the only shock is that they're being taken to a camp and not just disappeared completely as is his usual way.

Tbh, I don't know (or didn't, rather). I've kind of lost track of all the horror in the world. (I know.)

 

[Celyn]

It seems too bad to be real.

But of course it is not. Oh damn shit.

 

[keithy]

It's terrifying. I signed the amnesty thing but no idea what else can do.

The UK deports lgbtqi people to their deaths all the time also.

 

[Mation]

To add. There is an Amensty pettion here which has 12,000 odd signatures -
Stop abducting and killing gay men in Chechnya

and the Gay Times magazine and other campaigners are planning a protest outside the Russian Embassy tomorrow.

Other than that silence.......

 

[YouSir]

Fair play to anyone protesting but, depressingly, it's hard to see anything making any difference. Putin's unlikely to give a fuck at the best of times and with the added separation of having Kadyrov at the front it's even less likely he'll pay attention, or encourage/allow anybody else to pay attention for that matter. Kadyrov can get away with pretty much anything within Chechnya as long as he keeps dissent away from Putin, which he does, by disappearing and/or killing everyone. Only way that'll change is when the prick is dead and buried, which can't come soon enough.

 

[Mation]

Fair play to anyone protesting but, depressingly, it's hard to see anything making any difference. Putin's unlikely to give a fuck at the best of times and with the added separation of having Kadyrov at the front it's even less likely he'll pay attention, or encourage/allow anybody else to pay attention for that matter. Kadyrov can get away with pretty much anything within Chechnya as long as he keeps dissent away from Putin, which he does, by disappearing and/or killing everyone. Only way that'll change is when the prick is dead and buried, which can't come soon enough.

One difference it can make is to show support for and solidarity with LGBT+ people. To show that this is being noticed and condemned.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

There are some significant problems with this article. Not least the fact that the cultural relativism the author ascribes to world leaders can equally be levelled against liberals like himself (no doubt legacies of western colonialism and Christianity are an issue but the fact that he fails to mention the nature and politics of the Chechnyan dictatorship is revealing).

Silence is not good enough when gay men are being sent to 'concentration camps'

 

[petee]

There are some significant problems with this article. Not least the fact that the cultural relativism the author ascribes to world leaders can equally be levelled against liberals like himself (no doubt legacies of western colonialism and Christianity are an issue but the fact that he fails to mention the nature and politics of the Chechnyan dictatorship is revealing).

this is why i'm not a leftist.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

this is why i'm not a leftist.

You would be wrong to assume that guilt laden relativism is a problems confined to 'leftists' or indeed that everyone with progressive politics shares their apologia for some fascists.

 

[YouSir]

There are some significant problems with this article. Not least the fact that the cultural relativism the author ascribes to world leaders can equally be levelled against liberals like himself (no doubt legacies of western colonialism and Christianity are an issue but the fact that he fails to mention the nature and politics of the Chechnyan dictatorship is revealing).

Silence is not good enough when gay men are being sent to 'concentration camps'

That article, such as it is, is all problems. As you say, no mention of the wider politics of Chechnya and Kadyrov's scumbag rule, where LGBT people are far from the first on the long list of victims. Also a cap doffing expectation that 'our leaders' should protest when anyone who's paid any attention would have noticed long ago that no one gives a fuck about Chechnya, or even wider internal Russian politics, unless it's being used as a stick to beat some political dead horse with. 'Our' leaders are an irrelevance in this, have been for a very long time. Also the cultural relativism aspect implies, however loosely, that Kadyrov is acting in line with any cultural morality. He isn't, he's filth acting like filth. This is a man who attends swimsuit beauty pageants while bleating about modesty for women, he's a sociopathic prick and nothing more.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

That article, such as it is, is all problems. As you say, no mention of the wider politics of Chechnya and Kadyrov's scumbag rule, where LGBT people are far from the first on the long list of victims. Also a cap doffing expectation that 'our leaders' should protest when anyone who's paid any attention would have noticed long ago that no one gives a fuck about Chechnya, or even wider internal Russian politics, unless it's being used as a stick to beat some political dead horse with. 'Our' leaders are an irrelevance in this, have been for a very long time. Also the cultural relativism aspect implies, however loosely, that Kadyrov is acting in line with any cultural morality. He isn't, he's filth acting like filth. This is a man who attends swimsuit beauty pageants while bleating about modesty for women, he's a sociopathic prick and nothing more.

The best that can be said for the article is that it is drawing attention to what is happening.

It is worth noting the outpouring of rage about comments made by Ken Livingstone and Sean Spicer about Hitler and comparing it to the lack of wider outrage about a state that is actually renacting at least some of the elements of 20th Centrury fascism.

 

[hash tag]

A little more background to the age old Russian attitudes/laws...Peter Tatchell: Title

 

[likesfish]

Chenchnya had some "happy snaps" sent to me by a suppoused russian vetran made abu ghaid look like a 5 star resort think even is people might have been a bit sick but then again it was islamists being killed in imaginative ways including one poor sod with a birmingham accent destoryed that hardrive when I realized what I was looking at

 

[seventh bullet]

Fair play to anyone protesting but, depressingly, it's hard to see anything making any difference. Putin's unlikely to give a fuck at the best of times and with the added separation of having Kadyrov at the front it's even less likely he'll pay attention, or encourage/allow anybody else to pay attention for that matter. Kadyrov can get away with pretty much anything within Chechnya as long as he keeps dissent away from Putin, which he does, by disappearing and/or killing everyone. Only way that'll change is when the prick is dead and buried, which can't come soon enough.

Kadyrov Junior is a parasitical warlord with an 'army' tens of thousands strong and loyal to him, not Moscow. He in turn is 'loyal' to Putin. It's a sticky situation for the federal government and the price it has paid for stability. A smaller and weaker insurgency lives on but it's not the biggest threat any more to Moscow's authority or the cowering local population (or the many who have simply left for other parts of Russia). He is, and Moscow doesn't like it. Their tough guy is a problem now.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

One difference it can make is to show support for and solidarity with LGBT+ people. To show that this is being noticed and condemned.

With all due respect: how much difference will it make to someone sitting in a concentration camp awaiting execution, to find out that some people on the internet in UK, US and Canada, have signed an online petition?

Imo, the problem with online petitions, or waving a placard down at the local square, is it allows comfortable, well-fed people in the developed world to feel like they've done something, when in fact they've done nothing of consequence, apart from reading an article, and ticking a box on a website, from the safety of their living rooms or local streetcorner. It might be good for the consciences of the petition-signers; but it's not good for much else.

 

[Mation]

With all due respect: how much difference will it make to someone sitting in a concentration camp awaiting execution, to find out that some people on the internet in UK, US and Canada, have signed an online petition?

I was talking about the demo, not the petition, and in terms of how it makes LGBT+ people who aren't currently in concentration camps feel. I completely agree about online petitions (though still sign them sometimes, just in case).

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

how it makes LGBT+ people who aren't currently in concentration camps feel.

Tbh, I hadn't thought of that aspect.

What you say makes sense.

 

[bimble]

Feel like putting a warning, this is really shocking to read. Interviews with survivors.
Chechens tell of prison beatings and electric shocks in anti-gay purge: ‘They called us animals’

 

[alfajobrob]

Wow depressing - but its a Muslim majority nation so its culture and we can turn a blind eye as per usual....

Oh fuck... I just realised we don't sell them arms as they get them from Russia direct.

This is a tricky one...if they were prepared to buy from Raytheon or BAE (pension innit) then I'd sell them the wire but since their not I'll start a twitter campaign instead...

 

[alfajobrob]

Chenchnya had some "happy snaps" sent to me by a suppoused russian vetran made abu ghaid look like a 5 star resort think even is people might have been a bit sick but then again it was islamists being killed in imaginative ways including one poor sod with a birmingham accent destoryed that hardrive when I realized what I was looking at

You destroyed a hard drive because you were worried about content you had downloaded to it....

Hmmnnn - you are either really thick or guilty of something really wrong...

 

[alfajobrob]

With all due respect: how much difference will it make to someone sitting in a concentration camp awaiting execution, to find out that some people on the internet in UK, US and Canada, have signed an online petition?


Imo, the problem with online petitions, or waving a placard down at the local square, is it allows comfortable, well-fed people in the developed world to feel like they've done something, when in fact they've done nothing of consequence, apart from reading an article, and ticking a box on a website, from the safety of their living rooms or local streetcorner. It might be good for the consciences of the petition-signers; but it's not good for much else.

That scared the shit out of me and I had to check but they are not awaiting execution afaik...

They probably just want to pass them off to more progressive neighbouring states in that regard like errrr Russia. Poor fucking sods.

Maybe a good campaign would to be to get a government to offer asylum but I guess that is beyond us in these happy days.

 

[likesfish]

You destroyed a hard drive because you were worried about content you had downloaded to it....

Hmmnnn - you are either really thick or guilty of something really wrong...

Well a video of somebody being tortured to death is not something I was expecting when I clicked on the link
The bloke sent me

 

[alfajobrob]

Well a video of somebody being tortured to death is not something I was expecting when I clicked on the link
The bloke sent me

So how did you destroy your hard drive and was it your main drive...or do you download to something else as default?