Change UK: Chuka Umunna resigns from Labour party and launches Independent Group

[8ball]

You don't ever go on Facebook or Twitter? It's all over the place!

Facebook plenty. Twitter, no (aside from links to funny videos on the bandwidthz thread).

 

[teqniq]

I don't see any on Twitter nor on my FB feed but there again i don't go looking for it.

e2a some on my FB feed, along the lines of Rothschilds etc. This largely from people who don't imo seem to realise the association.

 

[SpookyFrank]

I know a few Labour bods and have never heard anything remotely anti-semitic. You can barely get a few words out of most Tories before they’re going on about Muslims, though.

Senior tory Sayeeda Warsi called out her party as institutionally islamophobic at some point in the middle of the months-long barrage of 'Corbyn hates Jews' stories. Press largely ignored it, tory party completely ignored it.

 

[Shechemite]

It’s the Labour Party racists who are the real victims here

 

[8ball]

Great contribution to the discussion

Shouldn’t you be working on your treatise on self-awareness?

 

[8ball]

Senior tory Sayeeda Warsi called out her party as institutionally islamophobic at some point in the middle of the months-long barrage of 'Corbyn hates Jews' stories. Press largely ignored it, tory party completely ignored it.

Odd, that...

 

[Mr Moose]

..

Also had to at this. Basically everyone in Labour ought to remember to think really hard before they say anything about Israel.

Labour MP apologises for suggesting Israel funds Independent Group

Hells fucking bells. The Labour Party has become that episode of Father Ted. Everything has turned to racism.

Though to be fair to Ted he was just unlucky where that mark was. Labour supporters will probably get a free square moustache when they join from now on.

 

[Shechemite]

Shouldn’t you be working on your treatise on self-awareness?

And there’s another one.

‘I’ve never seen any AS in labour, and the tories are more racist anyway’ repeated yet again

 

[8115]

It’s the Labour Party racists who are the real victims here

Fwiw I do think Labour probably do have a problem which for one reason or another isn't being addressed well. Perfect storm.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Odd, that...

Isn't it. Positively mystifying.

 

[8ball]

Fwiw I do think Labour probably do have a problem which for one reason or another isn't being addressed well. Perfect storm.

Yeah, I wasn’t meaning to say there *wasn’t* any, but I mentioned I hadn’t seen any and was pointed to the sewers of the internet.

You can find all manner of things down there.

 

[William of Walworth]

Sorry to dig out a Wookey post from as long ago as page 19 of this thread , but he said this

Would you like to explain exactly what's "conscientious" and "courageous" about this 7 not fighting by-elections ASAP??

In which they stand as Independents, now that they've left the Labour Party under whose colours thay were originally elected???

My use of those words was in relation to them resigning the whip and leaving Labour on a clear point of principle, namely that they reject institutionalised racism and anti-Semitism. It was nothing to do with subsequent by-elections, which remain a matter for the individual MP as a point of law, whether you see that as OK or not. (Let's respect the system of democracy we're clinging on to eh?)

I find it more interesting that 7 MPs have resigned from a party they informedly describe as racist and anti-Semitic, and you are concerned about their deselection. Strange priority if you ask me.

Given the utterly dubious nonsense you've posted since that exchange, it really does take the biscuit fory you to imply that I don't care about A/S in the Labour Party ...

No time for more right now, but you've been posting unbelieveable (or all too believabe! ) levels of shit in this thread, and the above is one of the milder examples .....

 

[Shechemite]

Hells fucking bells. The Labour Party has become that episode of Father Ted. Everything has turned to racism.

Though to be fair to Ted he was just unlucky where that mark was. Labour supporters will probably get a free square moustache when they join from now on.

Some applicants may even bring their own nazi regalia

Antisemitic Holocaust denier Chabloz ‘signed up to be official Labour supporter’

 

[SpineyNorman]

I know there's a problem with antisemitism in labour and sections of the left. That similar and worse problems are to be found across the political spectrum especially the right is hardly a surprise and completely irrelevant when we're talking about getting your own house in order.

I also know these clowns couldn't give a flying fuck about antisemitism. If they did they wouldn't dishonestly exploit it as they are doing here.

The only claim I believe about these is that they have a 10 year plan and are prepared to lose their seats. I think this all about undermining, wrecking and discrediting what they see as a left wing leadership.

 

[Badgers]

The world is full of cunts.

Most of which are political and/or religious.

 

[Gramsci]

There is definitely room for an openly centrist party, and it does have a base. If all the centrist Tories and centrist Labour MPs piled into a rebadged lib Dems I could imagine that party polling in the high teens.

That summary that Gramsci posted of Chukas key positions does have some support out there amongst voters, mainly angry Remainers.

But theres a way to go to get to that United Centrist party...7 Shit Tings on their own won't do it, obvs.

For those familiar with Hitchhiker's Guide, I can't help thinking of the B Ark. Theyre the telephone sanitisers of UK politics

I get your point. My personal experience of Lambeth is Im not sure this would work.

In Lambeth "angry Remainer" include a whole swathe of people. As Lambeth was one of the areas in UK with highest Remain support.

The Green party have done well in Lambeth and they are Remainers but opposed to the New Labour Council.

Brexit isn't popular in Lambeth. You can be Green, LD or Labour and be Remain in Lambeth. Even in my Council Ward which counts in the 20% of most deprived wards in the country Brexit isn't popular.

Im Remain but don't support Chuka trying to get the politics of the Third Way going again. And I reckon that would be the same with a lot of my friends.

Here is Chuka vanity vehicle think tank he set up which he gets paid to be on.

https://www.progressive-centre.com/

I heard Tony Blair recently on radio. Chuka think tank is no different from Blairite Third Way.

Chuka has moved so far from his early days that he is to the right of neighbour MP Steve Reed. Ex Blairite leader of Lambeth Council.

 

[Spymaster]

Absolutely nothing to do with Corbyn or the move back towards a mild social democratic platform.

You say this a lot. It's total bollocks.

Let’s discuss it.

Firstly; let's agree on a definition of Social Democracy.

What’s yours?

The idea that JC is a Social Democrat is utterly fucking ludicrous. If he was, you would despise him.

 

[Lord Camomile]

Can we agree a definition of Social Democracy?

I feel like I already know the answer to this...

 

[Dogsauce]

Strange that this lot were whinging about not feeling welcome in Labour and it not being a broad church anymore. What people are forgetting is that after Corbyn was elected leader his first cabinet contained a broad range of MPs from across the party. Subsequently several resigned and tried to depose him, and others were hostile from the start. Not like he didn’t try to be inclusive. He was put there following a democratic process involving party members/supporters, but some never accepted that democratic vote. You could almost make a point about them not respecting democratic results...

 

[agricola]

Some applicants may even bring their own nazi regalia

Antisemitic Holocaust denier Chabloz ‘signed up to be official Labour supporter’

A disgraceful person, though how Labour were meant to determine that she wasn't a suitable £3 person three and a half years before her conviction is another question.

 

[ska invita]

Not under FPTP. Even at their peak the LDs where still well behind the big two in seats.

I agree. Like i said could poll high teens, but ukip polled higher with only one mp resulting.
I'm not saying its a road to power. But hopefully there's enough justification in it so more will follow, and stay there. The more that go the better.

 

[TopCat]

Cunts (someone had to)

I was just about to.

 

[Shechemite]

A disgraceful person, though how Labour were meant to determine that she wasn't a suitable £3 person three and a half years before her conviction is another question.

For sure, but I don’t think it was Corbyn’s views on austerity which attracted her

 

[Shechemite]

Ryan is out

 

[killer b]

Ryan who?

 

[Shechemite]

Joan Ryan.

 

[tommers]

Joan Ryan who?

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Wow another heavy hitter who I’ve never heard of. Does she like coloureds? The spoons curry club?

 

[Treacle Toes]

Kin 'ell her wiki got edited really quickly!

Joan Ryan
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Joan Ryan

MP

Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Nationality, Citizenship and Immigration
In office
5 May 2006 – 29 June 2007
Prime Minister Tony Blair
Sec. of State John Reid
Preceded by Andy Burnham
Succeeded by Meg Hillier
Lord Commissioner of the Treasury
In office
13 June 2003 – 5 May 2006
Prime Minister Tony Blair
Chancellor Gordon Brown
Preceded by Jim Fitzpatrick
Succeeded by Kevin Brennan
Assistant Government Whip
In office
29 May 2002 – 13 June 2003
Prime Minister Tony Blair
Chief Whip Hilary Armstrong
Member of Parliament
for Enfield North
Incumbent
Assumed office
7 May 2015
Preceded by Nick de Bois
Majority 10,247 (21.1%)
In office
1 May 1997 – 12 April 2010
Preceded by Tim Eggar
Succeeded by Nick de Bois
Personal details
Born 8 September 1955 (age 63)
Warrington, Lancashire, England
Political party The Independent Group(2019-)
Spouse(s) Martin Hegarty
Alma mater City of Liverpool College of Higher Education
Polytechnic of the South Bank
Joan Marie Ryan (born 8 September 1955) is a British Independent Group politician. She has served as the Member of Parliament(MP) for Enfield North since 2015, having previously represented the constituency from 1997–2010. She was chair of the Labour Friends of Israel (LFI), before her resignation from Labour to join The Independent Group.[1]

 

[Wilf]

I'm still stuck at who. And why.