Celebrity Big Brother 2007

[Treacle Toes]

Interesting point.

It shows that these impressionable and not particularly bright women have had their racial button activated by years of pure drivel and lies over immigration pouring out of the xenophobic mainstream press - the very same media that now leads the witch hunt against the women for acting according to the programming that self-same media has put in place.

While the behavious is unnacceptable in itself, it's a good time to remember a previous poster who described the girls as "our monsters", people who reflect and are part of our society.

They personify an ugliness years of blinkered nationalistic foreign policy and attutudes to immigration have created.

Well said!

It was me who described them as 'our monsters', I could have said 'our babies' as their behaviour is as immature as it is hideous.

My whole point was that we have created them...We have also celebrated them and some of now are trying to justify them because it's all a little too close to home for comfort. Looking at them, seeing parts of ourselves.

 

[zed]

Originally Posted by Danielle
am not a politician but...

If I was, I'd get more people into work and stop people coming into the country. There's so many people who come into England because they know they can get benefits. People who already live here should get the jobs. But I don't really know much about politics.

Brilliant.

 

[rocketman]

But to be fair, he is a wanker of the highest order.
Famous for being a smack head. Great!

And, at his best, not a bad poet. Though his best is gone, but all the same - nothing to do with big brother.

Point on hate is though. The way humans work, it's always easier to force a social bond by having a hate figure of some kind, rather than any collective, shared vision.

And that's what's happened in the Big Brother house.

They really are our monsters, aren't they?

 

[Treacle Toes]

that or they don't actually expect anyone to actually beleive the drivel they write and are appaulled that some one would...

I believe they know full well that people believe what they right, if they say they don't it's an excuse to deny responsibility.

 

[Sweaty Betty]

But to be fair, he is a wanker of the highest order.

Famous for being a smack head. Great!

Exactly....

 

[Augie March]

ofcourse, next week we will be back to pete docherty et al

England's ever changing face of hate!

Who's picture will you be screaming your guts out with un-filtered rage at next week?

Will it be Pete Doherty, Jade Goody or Christiano Ronaldo?

Step up and hate your life away!

 

[Treacle Toes]

Point on hate is though. The way humans work, it's always easier to force a social bond by having a hate figure of some kind, rather than any collective, shared vision.

......and that is exactly what has been going on in the bb house.

 

[wishface]

i've just seen on the news that Shilpa has filmed a diary room scene wherein she says she didn't feel Jade was being racist. Somehow I suspect C4 put her up to this. This whole affair is getting uglier.

 

[Treacle Toes]

i've just seen on the news that Shilpa has filmed a diary room scene wherein she says she didn't feel Jade was being racist. Somehow I suspect C4 put her up to this. This whole affair is getting uglier.

Shilpa hasn't actually heard any of the 'racist' comments made about her so it isn't likely she'd say she felt that way.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Interesting.....

Jowell: CBB is "presenting racism as entertainment"
Day 16, 17:26 UTC - by James Welsh

Culture secretary Tessa Jowell has said that Celebrity Big Brother is "presenting racism as entertainment."

"They have received an enormous number of complaints," Jowell told reporters outside a media conference in Oxford. "I hope now these complaints will be properly investigated by Ofcom as the regulator. These are not judgements for me as secretary of state. I don't think anyone wants to live in a country where the politicians decide what is shown on television. I don't think that is something for Channel 4 to feel pressured into doing. I'm disappointed that we've got to this position."

Jowell then added her personal opinion of the show.

"I think this is racism being presented as entertainment and I think it's disgusting."

She reiterated, however, that it remains a matter between Channel 4 and Ofcom. "The decisions about what they show is a matter for Ofcom. Channel 4 have a remit which they have an obligation to broadcast to."

 

[Sweaty Betty]

Well said!

It was me who described them as 'our monsters', I could have said 'our babies' as their behaviour is as immature as it is hideous.

My whole point was that we have created them...We have also celebrated them and some of now are trying to justify them because it's all a little too close to home for comfort. Looking at them, seeing parts of ourselves.

I have not heard anyone justifying their behaviour i think most have agreed what muppets they have been............

 

[rocketman]

Shilpa hasn't actually heard any of the 'racist' comments made about her so it isn't likely she'd say she felt that way.

And the racism came from Danielle, not Jade, so BB asked the wrong question.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Channel 4 have a remit which they have an obligation to broadcast to.

So true.....loads of irony there considering the 'remit' of Ch4 has always been to celebrate the multiculturalism and diversity of this country..

 

[Treacle Toes]

And the racism came from Danielle, not Jade, so BB asked the wrong question.

You are right, but then again Shilpa hasn't heard danielle being racist either.

 

[Sweaty Betty]

Shilpa hasn't actually heard any of the 'racist' comments made about her so it isn't likely she'd say she felt that way.

See now if that was me i would feel a bit hopeful that shilpa had said this

Why the insistence that she is a victim, do you know exactly what she thinks or in the least what her daily movements or perceptions are at this point???

Or are you speaking through her??????

 

[Treacle Toes]

I have not heard anyone justifying their behaviour i think most have agreed what muppets they have been............

The jusification has been in the way that people have suggested shilpa has brought it on herself.

 

[Treacle Toes]

See now if that was me i would feel a bit hopeful that shilpa had said this

Why the insistence that she is a victim, do you know exactly what she thinks or in the least what her daily movements or perceptions are at this point???

Or are you speaking through her??????

Meowwwwwwww!

My opinions have been formed by what I have seen, not what Shilpa has seen.

My opinions have also been formed by being British and having experiences and knowledge of the ways in which this country and it's people work. Hell, I am one of them after all.

Shilpa has repeatedly shown and said she is being victimised, whether she knows the depth of it or not.

 

[Sweaty Betty]

The jusification has been in the way that people have suggested shilpa has brought it on herself.

you are very good at twisting interpretation to suit you own agenda!!!

thats not what i meant.

 

[Lily]

I havn't read this thread. Is there really any point in starting at the beginning or will someone give me the gist in a nutshell so to speak?

 

[rocketman]

I havn't read this thread. Is there really any point in starting at the beginning or will someone give me the gist in a nutshell so to speak?

This thread is an impressive document on the way people are thinking. You could build a cultural studies or sociology thesis on what's in here. Read it if you have time.

 

[Treacle Toes]

you are very good at twisting interpretation to suit you own agenda!!!

thats not what i meant.

I'm not trying to.....but while we're on the subject, the same could be said of you and the rest of the posters here, no? Maybe it's the way i'm reading you, people often read me in another way to the one I meant. It happens.

 

[rocketman]

but while we're on the subject, the same could be said of you and the rest of the posters here, no? Maybe it's the way i'm reading you, people often read me in another way to the one I meant. It happens.

Microcosm..macrocosm

 

[PacificOcean]

I havn't read this thread. Is there really any point in starting at the beginning or will someone give me the gist in a nutshell so to speak?

Things in BB bad. People on thread bad as Jade for calling Jade names. Someone banned for arse raping comment. 30 pages of discussion on said comment. Jade - a product of our current society?. Kittens.

Or something like that.

 

[Sweaty Betty]

I'm not trying to.....but while we're on the subject, the same could be said of you and the rest of the posters here, no? Maybe it's the way i'm reading you, people often read me in another way to the one I meant. It happens.

thats cool if you can take anothers view point and remain impartial.....

 

[zed]

I havn't read this thread. Is there really any point in starting at the beginning or will someone give me the gist in a nutshell so to speak?

Speculation about what the housemates might be like.

People saying who were their favourites.

Ocassional arguments about whether people had the right to call Jade a moronic cunt. These same people were sometimes called 'nasty cunts' by the people (dubversion) who didn't like Jade being called those things.

Rutita1 popping up and talking about racism.

Ocassional arguments about whether people had the right to call Jade's mum a moronic cunt. These same people were sometimes called 'nasty cunts' by the people (dubversion) who didn't like Jade's mum being called those things.

More speculation about who might bet chucked out.

People saying how much of a prick Leo Sayer is.

All hell breaking loose withe the Jade/Shilpa fallout

Rutita1 popping up and talking about racism.

Ocassional arguments about whether people had the right to call Jade a moronic cunt. These same people were sometimes called 'nasty cunts' by the people (dubversion) who didn't like Jade being called those things.

Someone got banned for saying something not very nice.

 

[Lily]

Kittens.

Oh! Thanks I'll take it from here then.

 

[Treacle Toes]

thats cool if you can take anothers view point and remain impartial.....

Of course I take other's comments on board, but just don't always agree with them. That's normal isn't it?

I haven't got an agenda as such, however do see that my opinions, ideals and reading of this whole situation speaks volumes about my own experience and identity, just like your opinions and ideals represent you.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Rutita1 popping up and talking about racism.

.

What shame you haven't read or picked up on any of the other points i've made.

 

[Sweaty Betty]

Of course I take other's comments on board, but just don't always agree with them. That's normal isn't it?

I haven't got an agenda as such, however do see that my opinions, ideals and reading of this whole situation speaks volumes about my own experience and identity, just like your opinions and ideals represent you.

I dont identify with jade or shilpa....

 

[Treacle Toes]

I dont identify with jade or shilpa....

No? I do in so much as I know people like them, have/have had similar personality traits to them, have experience of where they are both from and the cultures they represent.
As a woman, I identify with their principals, insecurities etc...
As a human, I identify with their inconsistancies and contradictions etc..