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Celebrity Big Brother 2007

Rutita1 said:
I agree with you, but we can't deny they 'do' represent the ideas and aspiriations of many people.....who else is buying the mags, perfumes, etc etc...and making them famous?
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Not me....just wanted to make that perfectly clear:D :D
 
Orang Utan said:
well I think there has been racism and that C4 have handled it badly. I also think it's been blown up out of all proportion by the tabloids who magnified and manufactured righteous outrage with very little in the way of mature analysis. Much like on this thread.
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I think that's pretty much how I see it to - there's an amount of, largely unconscious, schoolyard racism and bullying - picking on the 'different' kid if you will. Which is an experience which probably resonates with a fair few people and brings up some uncomfortable memories.

FWIW I don't think all those complaints have been manipulated by 'hysterical pc liberal zealots' or whatever the choice phrase of the tiresome brigade is these days. There are some genuine concerns out there.
 
Orang Utan said:
well I think there has been racism and that C4 have handled it badly. I also think it's been blown up out of all proportion by the tabloids who magnified and manufactured righteous outrage with very little in the way of mature analysis. Much like on this thread.
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Would it surprise you to know that I agree with you?
 
Rutita1 said:
How many millions live in this country?
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How many people have watched the show? My whole family, 5 of us were appalled at the show but didn't officially complain. 20,000 is a lot for a T.V. show.
 
haylz said:
Not enough to warrant the reaction and headline labling Great Britain the way it has!!!!
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So, we hit back and show them they are wrong, show them that they are not untouchable and no amount of money or fame can protect you...highlight the unacceptable behaviour, tell them we are embarrassed, send a message that this is not what we are or want to be about.
 
N_igma said:
How many people have watched the show? My whole family, 5 of us were appalled at the show but didn't officially complain. 20,000 is a lot for a T.V. show.
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FWIW i haven't either but that doesn't and shouldn't stop me thinking about what this means to and says about us.
 
Rutita1 said:
So, we hit back and show them they are wrong, show them that they are not untouchable and no amount of money or fame can protect you...highlight the unacceptable behaviour, tell them we are embarrassed, send a message that this is not what we are or want to be about.
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How?....when we are surrounded by a perpetual media machine willing to use an important issue to gain ratings, sell headlines yada yada.........while the real victims go unnoticed to the loud noise of self absorbed crap
 
haylz said:
How....when we are surrounded by a perpetual media machine willing to use an important issue to gain ratings, sell headlines yada yada.........while the real victims go unnoticed to the loud noise of self absorbed crap
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Well to be fair, the fact their own communities and 'nation' have voiced and will continue to voice it's disgust is as good a place to start as any....
 
N_igma said:
How many people have watched the show? My whole family, 5 of us were appalled at the show but didn't officially complain. 20,000 is a lot for a T.V. show.
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It has been a co-ordinated internet campaign though.

Much like the 50,000 religous nutters that complained about Jerry Springer: The Opera on BBC2.
 
Rutita1 said:
Well to be fair, the fact their own communities and 'nation' have voiced and will continue to voice it's disgust is as good a place as any....
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They ain't messiah's. They are very naughty girls. They deserve to learn a lesson. They deserve to be slagged off while on the show. They deserve certain consequences. They don't deserve eternal damnation.
 
haylz said:
How....when we are surrounded by a perpetual media machine willing to use an important issue to gain ratings, sell headlines yada yada.........while the real victims go unnoticed to the loud noise of self absorbed crap
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Have you ever considered that the 'real victims' can see uncomfortable echoes of their own experiences of being singled out and bullied for their cultural/racial differences? Shilpa's bemused reaction is, admittedly, a bit like when I got a scholarship to a posher, whiter school and was given the 'monkey' treatment. I'm not frothing at the mouth at Jade and crew, but I do find them fucking unpleasant. Much like I did at the time.

It is self-absorbed crap in a lot of ways, but stop effectively belittling others' undoubtedly genuine complaints as something that's been whipped up by a media circus. Raising the subject and highlighting the issue is surely understandable.
 
rocketman said:
They ain't messiah's. They are very naughty girls. They deserve to learn a lesson. They deserve to be slagged off while on the show. They deserve certain consequences. They don't deserve eternal damnation.
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:D Flipping heck, calm down, I wasn't suggesting eternal damnation:eek: , nobody is perfect after all.
I was pretty much suggesting the same as you FWIW.
 
PacificOcean said:
It has been a co-ordinated internet campaign though.

Much like the 50,000 religous nutters that complained about Jerry Springer: The Opera on BBC2.
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Dunno how it could be co-ordinated. I didn't see any campaigns outside Endemol headquaters. Though these sort of things can get people swept up in a rush of sensationalism and makes everyone follow. Bit like those nutters who bought 50 copies of cande in the wind when Diana died.
 
tarannau said:
Have you ever considered that the 'real victims' can see uncomfortable echoes of their own experiences of being singled out and bullied for their cultural/racial differences? Shilpa's bemused reaction is, admittedly, a bit like when I got a scholarship to a posher, whiter school and was given the 'monkey' treatment. I'm not frothing at the mouth at Jade and crew, but I do find them fucking unpleasant. Much like I did at the time.

It is self-absorbed crap in a lot of ways, but stop effectively belittling others' undoubtedly genuine complaints as something that's been whipped up by a media circus. Raising the subject and highlighting the issue is surely understandable.
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Yes and i have said as much, at least more than once, but that in no way dilutes my right of opinion...its a balanced thing
 
They why keep on focusing on the hysterical reaction of certain media outlets, which has been your dominant contibution of late?

There is an issue there, an underlying truth. I'm pretty sure this isn't the textbook way of raising the problems, but I very much doubt 'genuine victims' will suffer because a hefty number of people complained about perceived racism on a tv show. And you are implying that.
 
tarannau said:
They why keep on focusing on the hysterical reaction of certain media outlets, which has been your dominant contibution of late?

There is an issue there, an underlying truth. I'm pretty sure this isn't the textbook way of raising the problems, but I very much doubt 'genuine victims' will suffer because a hefty number of people complained about perceived racism on a tv show. And you are implying that.
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It is media bollox...endemol have used this occurrence for mooler so has most of our media and now just saw clip of shilpa denying it was racism....:rolleyes:

What a joke ....yes utter bllox and the sorry thing is, that the message and underlying truth that you talk about is being taken the piss out of and diluting the message for millions who really need to be heard and it to be heard....
 
haylz said:
Not me....just wanted to make that perfectly clear:D :D
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Trouble is Haylz I can walk into any pub on any night of the week and meet some girls with the 'manners and decorum' of Jade, Jo or Danielle.
The chances of meeting someone with the style and class of Shilpa in any town in the UK is very slim and I find that a very sad statement indeed.
 
jiggajagga said:
Trouble is Haylz I can walk into any pub on any night of the week and meet some girls with the 'manners and decorum' of Jade, Jo or Danielle.
The chances of meeting someone with the style and class of Shilpa in any town in the UK is very slim and I find that a very sad statement indeed.
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I aggree,,,,,,, and that is WHY i believe they all pin pointed shilpa out for their bitterness........
 
Rutita1 said:
I agree with you, but we can't deny they 'do' represent the ideas and aspiriations of many people.....who else is buying the mags, perfumes, etc etc...and making them famous?
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True, people without a brain or any 'Real' ambition to be anything other than a carbon copy of these vaccuous individuals
apparently shes been dropped by the anti bullying charity,her perfume has been pulled from the perfume shop, shes also rumoured to have lost her column in heat magazine

This could be the most spectacular fall from grace for years and I will enjoy every second of it Im afraid. I despise the religion of celebrity which has grown up over the last 5-6 years.
 
LilMissHissyFit said:
True, people without a brain or any 'Real' ambition to be anything other than a carbon copy of these vaccuous individuals
apparently shes been dropped by the anti bullying charity,her perfume has been pulled from the perfume shop, shes also rumoured to have lost her column in heat magazine

This could be the most spectacular fall from grace for years and I will enjoy every second of it Im afraid. I despise the religion of celebrity which has grown up over the last 5-6 years.
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Kate moss????
 
jiggajagga said:
Trouble is Haylz I can walk into any pub on any night of the week and meet some girls with the 'manners and decorum' of Jade, Jo or Danielle.
The chances of meeting someone with the style and class of Shilpa in any town in the UK is very slim and I find that a very sad statement indeed.
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Depends if you expect to find those girls with style in the same places as Jade, Jo or Danielle.
There are plenty of women with class, you just need to know where to look ( points to U75's knobbin and sobbin)
 
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