Celebrity Big Brother 2007

[Aravis]

Just caught a thing on the news about Jade visiting India, footage of her in a sari doing a Bollywood dance spoof thingy.
Then she is shown walking down the road shouting loudly "urg, it stiiiinks". Then she is being shown a temple, and shouts loudly "gross, all the flies", before her Indian guide hastily tells her to be quite and not say disrespectful words.
Anyway, back to the is-it-racist debate. I would say more xenophobia/cultural insensitivity. Although I'm buggered if I know how Shilpa supposedly has such a different culture.

 

[Treacle Toes]

The debate is not just about racism...it's also about cultural insensitivities, the celebration and attack on popular culture, the wider implications of the 'brit' mentality, personal and social responsibilty, emotional maturity, self awareness, bullying, manipulative behaviour, blah blah blah....

 

[N_igma]

the wider implications of the 'brit' mentality

The ramblings of 3 silly girls are about as representative of the Brit mentality as 6 attempted suicide bombers are of the Muslim Brit mentality. Fuck all.

 

[Sweaty Betty]

No? I do in so much as I know people like them, have/have had similar personality traits to them, have experience of where they are both from and the cultures they represent.
As a woman, I identify with their principals, insecurities etc...
As a human, I identify with their inconsistancies and contradictions etc..

They are as far apart form me either way of the scale as you can get...

I just think its been blown out of all proportion and that in no way detracts from how you feel its just my opinion as you said

 

[Treacle Toes]

The ramblings of 3 silly girls are about as representative of the Brit mentality as 6 attempted suicide bombers are of the Muslim Brit mentality. Fuck all.

IMO, British women do represent a part of the Brit mentality, just as British suicide bombers represent a part of it too. They are British afterall, who else are they representing?

 

[LilMissHissyFit]

The eviction interviews are going to be errrm "interesting"

Jade has the same agent as Davina, Dermot and Russell brand...

 

[zed]

The ramblings of 3 silly girls are about as representative of the Brit mentality as 6 attempted suicide bombers are of the Muslim Brit mentality. Fuck all.

Was halfway through writing a similar thing.

There are no 'messages' or lessons the wider public can learn. Other than to make sure their kids concentrate at school.

 

[Treacle Toes]

They are as far apart form me either way of the scale as you can get...

Fair enough. TBH, i don't see they that close to me either, but I can still identify with them. All of the issues this has brought up interest me, not just one, or some.

 

[N_igma]

IMO, British women do represent a part of the Brit mentality, just as British suicide bombers represent a part of it too. They are British afterall, who else are they representing?

I'm talking about the wider mentality.

 

[Sweaty Betty]

The eviction interviews are going to be errrm "interesting"

Jade has the same agent as Davina, Dermot and Russell brand...

Its just farcical innit

 

[Treacle Toes]

Other than to make sure their kids concentrate at school.

That is a bloody good place to start.

 

[lenny101]

Just showed Daniella on Chanel 4 news syaing "She can't even speak English properly, she should fuck off home".

To me that is racist.

 

[Treacle Toes]

I'm talking about the wider mentality.

Wider as in majority?
Wider as in a section?

 

[N_igma]

Wider as in majority?
Wider as in a section?

The majority of the people and whites in particular. The very fact that 20,000 complaints have been made and hundreds of posts on this site against the comments show that their comments do not reflect the wider society/mentality.

 

[academia]

I remember Jade in BB and thought at the time what an unpleasant, bullying cunt [...] hopefully someone will kill her when she gets out.

So does Brockway get banned too?
Surely advocating murder is worse than advocating arse rape?!?!?!?

 

[Sweaty Betty]

The majority of the people and whites in particular. The very fact that 20,000 complaints have been made and hundreds of posts on this site against the comments show that their comments do not reflect the wider society/mentality.

Yes and also neither does jade represent females in britain today

 

[LilMissHissyFit]

The majority of the people and whites in particular. The very fact that 20,000 complaints have been made and hundreds of posts on this site against the comments show that their comments do not reflect the wider society/mentality.

precisely... Im really offended that its being reported as 'the mentality of british citizens'

None of those three women who have been so vile represent me, they wouldnt be friends of mine and I dont share their repugnant views nor their behaviour.

 

[wishface]

Shilpa hasn't actually heard any of the 'racist' comments made about her so it isn't likely she'd say she felt that way.

It was on BBC news; they said that tomorrow this scene would be shown. There's also another scene of Shilpa saying, ostensibly to CLeo, that she felt there was racism going on. Cleo said she felt it wasn't racism. She's obviously heard something recently that she's felt was that way offensive.

I would hope that she doesn't capitulate to spare the producer's blushes; this whole thing shouldn't be swept under the carpet. All i've heard from the makers/producers and C4 people is a pretty poor statement where they seem to deny there has been racism. These people are in denial and clearly only care about saving their own skins and not the behaviour of some ugly mouthy british slappers. That's sad.

 

[la ressistance]

why didn't anyone tell me the new celebrity big brother has started

anything interresting happened this series?

 

[LilMissHissyFit]

She will be, Sky have shown a scene from tomorrows show where Shilpa is in the diary room saying she wants to make it clear from her POV as a formal statement that she does NOT feel there was any racial prejudice or intent on Jades part.

I reckon she has probably been told the show is likely to be pulled and her ££ affected unless she backtracks because there is a row and they all need to smooth it over

 

[Sweaty Betty]

why didn't anyone tell me the new celebrity big brother has started

anything interresting happened this series?

 

[LDR]

I reckon she has probably been told the show is likely to be pulled and her ££ affected unless she backtracks because there is a row and they all need to smooth it over

She doesn't need the money, I think she's only there to raise her profile in Britain.

 

[Orang Utan]

well I think there has been racism and that C4 have handled it badly. I also think it's been blown up out of all proportion by the tabloids who magnified and manufactured righteous outrage with very little in the way of mature analysis. Much like on this thread.

 

[Blackmushroom]

I wonder what it would take for people to acknowledge racism, a lynching maybe?

 

[Orang Utan]

She will be, Sky have shown a scene from tomorrows show where Shilpa is in the diary room saying she wants to make it clear from her POV as a formal statement that she does NOT feel there was any racial prejudice or intent on Jades part.

I reckon she has probably been told the show is likely to be pulled and her ££ affected unless she backtracks because there is a row and they all need to smooth it over

I doubt it.

 

[Treacle Toes]

The majority of the people and whites in particular. The very fact that 20,000 complaints have been made and hundreds of posts on this site against the comments show that their comments do not reflect the wider society/mentality.

I agree to some extent.
I wasn't just talking about white people. What gave you that impression?

Also, my comments about 'wider mentality' were more to do with our fascination with the creation of, celebration of and victimisation of people who haven't really done much, yet are the most popular role models and have people aspire to be like them.

Another issue is the whole bullying thing, and the aggressive way in which people conduct themselves, using aggression, fear, and sometimes violence as a way of winning an argument.

To be fair though 20,000 people is nothing. How many millions live in this country?

 

[Treacle Toes]

It was on BBC news; they said that tomorrow this scene would be shown. There's also another scene of Shilpa saying, ostensibly to CLeo, that she felt there was racism going on. Cleo said she felt it wasn't racism. She's obviously heard something recently that she's felt was that way offensive.

.

My impression was she mused over that because of her chats with jj.....he pointed out to her that it could be a race thing.

 

[Treacle Toes]

why didn't anyone tell me the new celebrity big brother has started

anything interresting happened this series?

 

[Treacle Toes]

precisely... Im really offended that its being reported as 'the mentality of british citizens'

None of those three women who have been so vile represent me, they wouldnt be friends of mine and I dont share their repugnant views nor their behaviour.

I agree with you, but we can't deny they 'do' represent the ideas and aspiriations of many people.....who else is buying the mags, perfumes, etc etc...and making them famous?

 

[Treacle Toes]

Yes and also neither does jade represent females in britain today

What none?