Celebrity Big Brother 2007

[Pie 1]

Someone said that CW would be nut's to pull out given the increased viewing, and yesterday or the day before, they were right.
This lastest move by CW sugests, now that this thing has blown up out of all proportions, that they might well be shitting it a little over the reaction to their business from what must be an enormous UK & European 'Asian' customer base.
That is argualbly, far more important to them than a couple of million extra ad hits.

 

[BadlyDrawnGirl]

Have you actually seen that? Because I swear you are/have been watching a different show.,

She lost it in the kitchen and stormed out to confront the others - always likely to result in a confrontation with a character like Jade.

lol @ "shilpa started the stock cube arguement." by mentioning the Oxo etc.. does that justify Goody's response? not in a million years.

But she did start it. I'm not saying it justifies Jade's response, but at the same time Shilpa can't be painted as the meek peace-keeper. Roles reversed, I can quite imagine that Jade's confrontation would be a lot more abrasive.

anyway. all this is besides the point. she could be acting like the queen of fucking sheba and she still shouldn't have to put up with what she has put up with.

But would she still command the full sympathy of the media?

 

[Balbi]

teach me balbi!!!!

Wrong forum

 

[rocketman]

SThis lastest move by CW sugests, now that this thing has blown up out of all proportions, they they might well be shitting it a little over the reaction to their business from what must be an enormous UK & European 'asian' customer base.
That is argualbly, far more important than a couple of million extra ad hits.

It is worth considering the number of Asian people involved at different levels in the mobile phone industry, which may have some bearing on this.

But I do feel a little sorry for jade, you know, particularly as (news just in) her perfume has now been withdrawn, at least until she leaves the house.

The debate on racism can't ignore the ugly cynicism of Endemol to put Jade back into the house and allow a situation to continue in which she slowly destroys herself.

They should have stepped in already. Now three foolish girls have ruined careers, we have an international debate on race, and the reputation of the country for tolerance lies in tatters (because nothing has been done). And Shilpa is going through hell.

That isn't fair, BB has never been fair, and while it's train-wreck TV that sucks you in, I'd be a whole heap happier if broadcasters dumped the reality format and got back into making programmes again, with actors, scripts and so on.

By the way, I think Shilpa's a good person, and I can see her - once the dust has settled - appealing to people not to persecute the three witches.

 

[Treacle Toes]

The way I witnessed it, Shilpa went off on a bit of a rant about the stock cubes, at first (admittedly mildly) taking it out on Cleo, before confronting the others. Jade was moderate and reasonably helpful in her initial responses, but became aggravated after Shilpa's condescending 'you don't cook it like that' lecture and claims that the stock cubes were the only thing she ordered off the list (which to be fair she retracted afterwards, but it's puzzling that she would claim that in the first place). Jade's hollering display came at least two minutes into the exchange and escalated considerably after Shilpa instructed her to have elocution lessons.

Jade's subsequent insults were way over the top, sure, but just as Shilpa possibly doesn't intend or recognise her superior behaviour for reasons of her protected background, Jade's insecurities and the nature of her current environment are liable to blend into emotional semtex for a character who is famous for being a loose cannon.

Try as you might to convince me......Jade was shouting and swearing long before Shilpa told her to get some elecution lessons....The way I see it is quite simple...Treat me like you like to be treated. Treat me with the same respect that I treat you.

Jade is famous for being one of the nation's 'court jesters'. Yeah she may enjoy her status, have money and live well but she isn't proud of herself, not deep down.....Her insecurities and jealousy are what have fuelled her hate for Shilpa, it's a very common way of justifying ones behaviour.

 

[tommers]

But would she still command the full sympathy of the media?

I have heard a lot of people blaming her for the fights. In Big Brother's Big Brain on Sunday there was a whole segment dedicated to blaming her for it. "can a scapegoat ever be to blame for their treatment?"

it's victim blaming IMO. nobody has said she is perfect but the reaction from jade et al has been completely disproportionate.

 

[rocketman]

She lost it in the kitchen and stormed out to confront the others - always likely to result in a confrontation with a character like Jade.

No point is there in addressing the context in which this happened, which I tried to raise within the post you just quoted?

 

[BadlyDrawnGirl]

Yet again , a very excellent post, i wish i could type as fast as i think

My downfall is usually typing faster than I think...

 

[Badger Kitten]

Anyway, so the sponsors have pulled out, causing stress. But the ad agencies will be loving the ratings.

 

[Sweaty Betty]

Try as you might to convince me......Jade was shouting and swearing long before Shilpa told her to get some elecution lessons....The way I see it is quite simple...Treat me like you like to be treated. Treat me with the same respect that I treat you.

Jade is famous for being one of the nation's 'court jesters'. Yeah she may enjoy her status, have money and live well but she isn't proud of herself, not deep down.....Her insecurities and jealousy are what have fuelled her hate for Shilpa, it's a very common way of justifying ones behaviour.

So what do you call someone who's main fear is not being recognised by the housemates or the public???

insecure?????

 

[Lisarocket]

Try as you might to convince me......Jade was shouting and swearing long before Shilpa told her to get some elecution lessons....The way I see it is quite simple...Treat me like you like to be treated. Treat me with the same respect that I treat you.

There was a bit of a debate on DS (and some of you know how thorough they are!) that Shilpa actually said etiquette lessons and Jade not knowing what etiquette was interpreted it as elecution when she was shouting about it.

Shilpa saying etiquette would make more sense. Poise and manners etc...

 

[rocketman]

So what do you call someone who's main fear is not being recognised by the housemates or the public???insecure?????

Erm, not particularly. In this case, you call them a foreign celebrity in a strange land. It's not an unnatural thing to worry about in her situation, and that was said in the pre-entry to house interview, and was essentially a throw away line. The intention was to charm.

Why are you so determined to protect this indifensible behaviour using these solipsistic arguments anyway?

 

[tommers]

So what do you call someone who's main fear is not being recognised by the housemates or the public???

insecure?????

everybody has worries, anxieties and insecurities. so?

 

[tommers]

There was a bit of a debate on DS (and some of you know how thorough they are!) that Shilpa actually said etiquette lessons and Jade not knowing what etiquette was interpreted it as elecution when she was shouting about it.

Shilpa saying etiquette would make more sense. Poise and manners etc...

that would make sense. she was talking about manners earlier in the argument.

 

[BadlyDrawnGirl]

No point is there in addressing the context in which this happened, which I tried to raise within the post you just quoted?

The context: after a protracted period of perceived harrassment from Jade et al, yes? But the superiority has always been there - right from the start. Call it a personality clash then.

It's great to share knowledge of cookery and all that, but not so great to tell - in decidedly school ma'am-ish manner. It serves as placing social barriers in the way and as such winds people up. I'm not justifying Jade's reaction.

 

[Sweaty Betty]

Erm, not particularly. In this case, you call them a foreign celebrity in a strange land. It's not an unnatural thing to worry about in her situation, and that was said in the pre-entry to house interview, and was essentially a throw away line. The intention was to charm.

Why are you so determined to protect this indifensible behaviour using these solipsistic arguments anyway?

Try using words i understand

Call it balance!!...whilst jade and the other two look like utter muppets in there, all this whiter than white talk about shilpa is nauseating.........

She is as planted up her own arse as the rest of them

 

[BadlyDrawnGirl]

Call it balance!!...whilst jade and the other two look like utter muppets in there, all this whiter than white talk about shilpa is nauseating.........

She is as planted up her own arse as the rest of them

Hear hear.

 

[Belushi]

Considering she is such a huge star (dont foget that for literally billions of people bollywood films are as big if not bigger than Hollywood ones) I think Shilpa is surprisingly down to earth.

I cant imagine someone like Nicole Kidman or Angelina Jolie staying in the house more than five minutes.

 

[Lisarocket]

Try using words i understand

Take no notice Haylz. He loves using uncommon words. Right annoys me sometimes

 

[Sweaty Betty]

Considering she is such a huge star (dont foget that for literally billions of people bollywood films are as big if not bigger than Hollywood ones) I think Shilpa is surprisingly down to earth.

I cant imagine someone like Nicole Kidman or Angelina Jolie staying in the house more than five minutes.

Depends on your motives i suppose, i mean most in the house must be on some soon to be disclosed PR venture

 

[Treacle Toes]

So what do you call someone who's main fear is not being recognised by the housemates or the public???

insecure?????

Yes....Spoilt maybe, maybe even self-centred, so what?
Shilpa hasn't sat on her arse for 2 weeks hating on Jo, Jade, Jack and Danielle.....She hasn't looked for and seized every opportunity to poke fun of them, bully them and purposefully hate them.

She may be stuck up, need to live a bit whatever...nobody is perfect but she doesn't deserve the bollucks that has been thrown at her in the house, to her face or behind her back, I don't care.

She is starting to fight back.....She has to. She was breaking down and in that position she had two choices....walk out of figth back.

Put yourself in her position...Jade and I would have come to blows if it were me she had abused in that way.

Even though I'd like to think I could walk away and laugh, I'm worried that her bitterness would be contagious......I know that because I can be just like her, that's why I understand her....I think that's why we all do....

Unfortunately Shilpa's fightback will give people ammunition to justify their own bad behaviour....that's the way it goes. Some of us have short memories, especailly when we weren't the ones getting it in the neck.

 

[Sweaty Betty]

Take no notice Haylz. He loves using uncommon words. Right annoys me sometimes

it was the solop slop word that did it for me

 

[tommers]

it was the solop slop word that did it for me

what's a dimella?

 

[Treacle Toes]

She is as planted up her own arse as the rest of them

I agree.
Even more reason then, why none of them have the right to do/be doing what they have.

 

[rocketman]

It's great to share knowledge of cookery and all that, but not so great to tell

In the same manner, surely, as the earlier chicken-cooking lessons? They started that one, Oxo-gate was simply the inevitable reaction. I see no wrong there.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Shilpa saying etiquette would make more sense. Poise and manners etc...

Good point....bascially saying she has no manners and should get some.

 

[Lisarocket]

Considering she is such a huge star (dont foget that for literally billions of people bollywood films are as big if not bigger than Hollywood ones) I think Shilpa is surprisingly down to earth.

I cant imagine someone like Nicole Kidman or Angelina Jolie staying in the house more than five minutes.

I agree with you. She seems very doen to earth considering what sort of life she probably has in India.

I think her entrance video was trying to make her out to be a spoilt princess type. I even comented about it on this thread as she was going in, but after seeing her in there for a few days i started to think there was a bit of spin put into the editing of it. It's quite easy to cut up an interview and reinterpret it.

 

[rocketman]

I also have to say I have never got the impression of her being stuck-up. I find her very Indian, which some may interpret as stand-offish, but it isn't. It's simply a cultural difference. And it seems to me you can't dismiss the actions of the terrible trio as simply a cultural clash on the one hand, and deny Shilpa the right to act according to her upbringing (and culture).

Also - remember her reaction to Jade's grandparents? She wasn't stuck-up at all. She was very nice. She has a lot of respect for her elders. She even packed Ken's clothes for him.

EDIT TO ADD: Ooh, we are on the 100th page.

 

[Lisarocket]

what's a dimella?

What's an embryon?

 

[kyser_soze]

Ooh, we are on the 100th page.

63 - you need 4001 posts to make 100 pages...