Celebrity Big Brother 2007

[PacificOcean]

What are they saying?

From Media Guardian:

"2.45pm: Channel 4 chief executive Andy Duncan says he remains committed to Big Brother despite 'racially motivated' comments on the show and the loss of its sponsor. More follows ..."

 

[Balbi]

What are they saying?

We can't see any racism, if there is racism we call people in on it.

Danielle last night has said that 'why doesn't she fuck off home' actually meant 'leave the house' and not the country.

Jade apparently says similar tonight, tune in to find out rolleyes: )

If there is racism, then we call them on it - but BB is all about bringing out what people are really like, etc etc.

It's arse covering of the highest order.

 

[Griff]

Channel 4 CEO Andy Duncan has issued a statement on the Celebrity Big Brother controversy. The statement in full:

"In the seven years it has been on air Big Brother has seldom been far from the headlines.

"The reason it commands so much attention, intentionally or unintentionally, is that it goes to the heart of who we are as individuals and as a society.

"The latest series of Celebrity Big Brother has strayed into particularly controversial territory – the issue of racism and whether or not it remains ingrained in British attitudes despite all the progress we have apparently made towards becoming a truly multi-cultural society.

"The level of complaint and comment shows the programme has touched a real nerve.

"The debate has been heated, the viewing has at times been uncomfortable but, in my view, it is unquestionably a good thing that the programme has raised these issues and provoked such a debate. These attitudes, however distasteful, do persist – we need to confront that truth.

"What constitutes racism is a complex question. We have been monitoring extremely carefully events in the house and have reached the view that we cannot with certainty say that the comments directed at Shilpa have been racially motivated or whether they stem from broader cultural and social differences.

"We have already intervened with Danielle and, as viewers will see tonight, again with Jade where we felt their comments might be construed to have racist overtones. Producers also spoke to Shilpa today who said she did not feel that behaviour towards her was racist.

"We will not hesitate to intervene again if apparently racist behaviour occurs.

"Big Brother’s unique strength is that it is ultimately the public who will decide whether or not the behaviour of certain contestants has been unacceptable.

"Tomorrow night Jade and Shilpa will face the public vote. The British public has the opportunity to cut through the claim and counter-claim and pass its judgement on the events of the last week.

In the last 25 years Channel 4 has undoubtedly played a major role as a broadcaster to inform and educate viewers about issues of race. This is a role that I intend Channel 4 to continue playing."

 

[BadlyDrawnGirl]

Erm....has Jade abused others in the way she has Shilpa?...and even if she has Shilpa has every right not to want anyone to scream and shout at her in that way....afterall, Shilpa isn't doing it to anyone. I quite like being treated in the way I treat people as well....Does that make me superior, a bit of a snob?

She hasn't screamed and shouted at others in the way she has Shilpa, but that's only because the 'stock cube row' (which, be fair, Shilpa did instigate) was the latest in a long line of disagreements and as such the animosity has reached a head. When it came to, say, Ken - they never got beyond a couple of minor altercations, but it would have got worse. And Jade only started screaming after a number of heated exchanges - not immediately, as though she couldn't help herself.

Besides, the remarks of Shilpa's that I mentioned earlier were made last week, before any of the outright screaming matches.

 

[miss giggles]

Jade Goody makes me feel embarrassed to be English.

 

[Balbi]

What the statement doesn't have is the press pointing out the massive holes in the argument

 

[Lost Zoot]

Well, personal fortune is £8M I read somewhere.... without any talent...

...good to see the end of the protestant work ethic

sorry rubbish spelling because of genral thickery and extra illnessness.

meh, i think that was just luck. Good timming ect. She's no different from anyother bb loser. But she was just "lucky", because after the first few serises (cant remember what serise she was on) people started picking up on the potential (of exepoliting) new realiaity tv celebrities. i think shes just a chav and she was on bb at the start of the "chav" phenonoma...thingy....and people were intriguged....

Shes a media puppet, the only clever ones are her agents, mangers...

imo

 

[Fruitloop]

No more of those fucking carphone warehouse interludes - at least some good has come of this.

 

[tommers]

Is it fuck. For example: what does Shilpa's insistence that she won't be spoken to by Jade in the same way that other housemates are spoken to by Jade - when she's used to people standing up for her when she enters a room and addressing her as 'ma'am' - suggest?

to be fair I wouldn't want somebody to speak to me in that way.

 

[zed]

Well, personal fortune is £8M I read somewhere.... without any talent...

...good to see the end of the protestant work ethic

And the beginning of the lotto work ethic.

 

[BadlyDrawnGirl]

No that is not what it means, and you are taking that out of context.
The way she won't be spoken to is to have someone yelling at here: "Your head is so far up your arse you can smell shit".

Now, I may be a unique individual, but I won't be spoken to like that, either.

Is it alright if I speak to you like that? You seem to imply it would be, well, either that or you didn't realise that is what Shilpa meant.

It's about self-respect and respect for others. And in that regard, the fact that black belt in karate Shilpa didn't slap Jade down on the spot actually makes her a better person than I am if I'm spoken to like that.

Yes, comments of that kind were particularly out of order, but that's just Jade, and posession of a mouth the size of South East London is who she is.

What rankles is Shilpa's assertation that she doesn't care if Jade speaks to others like that, she won't tolerate Jade speaking to her like that - as if she's a bit more special than most. And again, those comments were made after a mundane exchange, not this latest row.

 

[Treacle Toes]

She hasn't screamed and shouted at others in the way she has Shilpa, but that's only because the 'stock cube row' (which, be fair, Shilpa did instigate) was the latest in a long line of disagreements and as such the animosity has reached a head. When it came to, say, Ken - they never got beyond a couple of minor altercations, but it would have got worse. And Jade only started screaming after a number of heated exchanges - not immediately, as though she couldn't help herself.

Besides, the remarks of Shilpa's that I mentioned earlier were made last week, before any of the outright screaming matches.

Shilpa started the conversation about the stock cubes and Jade used it to loose her mind banshee style and actually illustrate the depth of her own self hatred, which she is doing a very good job of projecting onto Shilpa.

BTW, whilst travelling in India I was frequently addressed as Madam and ma'am, it's a cultural nicety.

 

[rocketman]

She hasn't screamed and shouted at others in the way she has Shilpa, but that's only because the 'stock cube row' (which, be fair, Shilpa did instigate)

Have you actually seen that? Because I swear you are/have been watching a different show.,

 

[kyser_soze]

Jade's been successful because she's had a good agent and when required has obviously worked hard at being in the right place at the right time.

But as they say, you can take the girl out of Bermondsey, but you can't take Bermondsey out of the girl.

I've seen all of about 20 minutes of compressed 'Shilpatime' and TBH she's a stuck up, pampered little cow who also happens to have inherited some outstanding genes for looks - in UK parlance she's a Liz Hurley-style sloan who's up against an authentically w/c Londoner who's managed to make a pile of money.

I'm no fan of Jade, but quite frankly telling someone that their head is up their arse is hardly breaking new grounds in invective is it? I've been called worse than that in meetings FFS.

You couldn't pay me to spend time locked up with either of them.

Interesting statement from C4

 

[tommers]

What rankles is Shilpa's assertation that she doesn't care if Jade speaks to others like that, she won't tolerate Jade speaking to her like that - as if she's a bit more special than most. And again, those comments were made after a mundane exchange, not this latest row.

I think you're looking for things. That could just mean that "if other people are fine with that behaviour then that is up to them, but I am not OK with it."

which isn't really "acting superior" but just drawing your limits of what is acceptable IMO.

anyway. all this is besides the point. she could be acting like the queen of fucking sheba and she still shouldn't have to put up with what she has put up with.

 

[Treacle Toes]

We can't see any racism, if there is racism we call people in on it.

.

One word...denial.

 

[Kanda]

Me saying: I don't give a fuck how you talk to someone else, just don't talk to me like that ISN'T being superior....

 

[rocketman]

Yes, comments of that kind were particularly out of order, but that's just Jade, and posession of a mouth the size of South East London is who she is. What rankles is Shilpa's assertation that she doesn't care if Jade speaks to others like that, she won't tolerate Jade speaking to her like that - as if she's a bit more special than most. And again, those comments were made after a mundane exchange, not this latest row.

2 points:

1/ That's just Jade is an inadequate excuse. No one should be permitted to behave like that. Not you, not me, not him/her over there, and not Jade.

2/ Shilpa's assertion means nothing of the kind. She won't be spoken to like that herself does not mean she's happy other people are spoken to in that way, just that it's up to them to say if they are not happy.

Dirk dealt with this day one:

Donny: So you Dirk Fucking Benedict
Dirk: I don't usually use the second name.
Result? People treat Dirlk with respect.
People also treat Germaine (JACKSON) with respect, well, Jade and co. may not have racist feelings about black people, but this does not mean they don't have those feelings for Asian folk.

 

[Dubversion]

Me saying: I don't give a fuck how you talk to someone else, just don't talk to me like that ISN'T being superior....

yeh, i agree - that point made me wonder as well..

it's not setting yourself up above other people, it's just saying i won't tolerate even if others will. quite different..

 

[sorter]

C4's statement tells me we going to witness even worse behaviour tonight.

they have come out with a statement at last, changed thier angle on racism and CPW have pulled sponsorship.

what on earth has happened in there now??

 

[Numbers]

lol @ "shilpa started the stock cube arguement." by mentioning the Oxo etc.. does that justify Goody's response? not in a million years.

 

[Brockway]

I remember Jade in BB and thought at the time what an unpleasant, bullying cunt. So I've been amazed by her popularity since. Good to know that she is showing her true colours again - hopefully someone will kill her when she gets out.

 

[BadlyDrawnGirl]

Shilpa started the conversation about the stock cubes and Jade used it to loose her mind banshee style and actually illustrate the depth of her own self hatred, which she is doing a very good job of projecting onto Shilpa.

BTW, whilst travelling in India I was frequently addressed as Madam and ma'am, it's a cultural nicety.

The way I witnessed it, Shilpa went off on a bit of a rant about the stock cubes, at first (admittedly mildly) taking it out on Cleo, before confronting the others. Jade was moderate and reasonably helpful in her initial responses, but became aggravated after Shilpa's condescending 'you don't cook it like that' lecture and claims that the stock cubes were the only thing she ordered off the list (which to be fair she retracted afterwards, but it's puzzling that she would claim that in the first place). Jade's hollering display came at least two minutes into the exchange and escalated considerably after Shilpa instructed her to have elocution lessons.

Jade's subsequent insults were way over the top, sure, but just as Shilpa possibly doesn't intend or recognise her superior behaviour for reasons of her protected background, Jade's insecurities and the nature of her current environment are liable to blend into emotional semtex for a character who is famous for being a loose cannon.

 

[Sweaty Betty]

I remember Jade in BB and thought at the time what an unpleasant, bullying cunt. So I've been amazed by her popularity since. Good to know that she is showing her true colours again - hopefully someone will kill her when she gets out.

Fuck sake thats harsh!!!!!!

you are all hysteria tripping!!!!

 

[Griff]

I remember Jade in BB and thought at the time what an unpleasant, bullying cunt. So I've been amazed by her popularity since. Good to know that she is showing her true colours again - hopefully someone will kill her when she gets out.

Fucking hell, she's hardly Myra Hindley.

 

[Sweaty Betty]

The way I witnessed it, Shilpa went off on a bit of a rant about the stock cubes, at first (admittedly mildly) taking it out on Cleo, before confronting the others. Jade was moderate and reasonably helpful in her initial responses, but became aggravated after Shilpa's condescending 'you don't cook it like that' lecture and claims that the stock cubes were the only thing she ordered off the list (which to be fair she retracted afterwards, but it's puzzling that she would claim that in the first place). Jade's hollering display came at least two minutes into the exchange and escalated considerably after Shilpa instructed her to have elocution lessons.

Jade's subsequent insults were way over the top, sure, but just as Shilpa possibly doesn't intend or recognise her superior behaviour for reasons of her protected background, Jade's insecurities and the nature of her current environment are liable to blend into emotional semtex for a character who is famous for being a loose cannon.

Yet again , a very excellent post, i wish i could type as fast as i think

 

[Sweaty Betty]

Fucking hell, she's hardly Myra Hindley.

Perspective shot too pieces yet again

 

[rocketman]

Jade became aggravated after Shilpa's condescending 'you don't cook it like that' lecture and claims that the stock cubes were the only thing she ordered off the list (which to be fair she retracted afterwards, but it's puzzling that she would claim that in the first place).

1. After days of victimisation, Shilpa may have been a little tense when she approached that conversation.

2. You don't cook it like that, it's a fact. Why not mention it? I would.

3. She withdrew the comment, sure - but did you see the treatment she was meted out when she placed the order in the first place? She had to fight to get those stock cubes in the first place, and then the girls used all of them anyway. It's petty, sure, but she simply tried to pull them up on it. Is that so terribly wrong it justifies the reaction? You know it isn't.

 

[Balbi]

Perspective shot too pieces yet again

You should have spelling lessons

 

[Sweaty Betty]

You should have spelling lessons

teach me balbi!!!!