Celebrity Big Brother 2007

[danny la rouge]

I wish people would leave off bringing irrelevant details and opinions about Jade into this - your views on her talents, looks, weight etc have nothing to do with it. The salient point is her behaviour. And it is on that that she should be judged.

However, as I've said before, the press coverage is not accurate when it accuses her of leading a gang of racist bullies etc - Jade is a bully and her behaviour is unacceptable, but the racists are Danielle (especially), and Jo.

Interestingly the Express thinks the bullying has had a racist content, and it is hardly an organ of racial harmony itself. So does the Sun to some degree, and to a lesser extent the Mail. That these right wing rags are condemning the behaviour of these celebrities as racist bullying is surely some measure? I wonder if Channel 4 will change their view, in the light of Danielle Lloyd's outburst and Shilpa's now stated belief that there is a racist flavour to the bullying?

(To those who say Shilpa is annoying: you are, of course, right. And without the racist bullying she would probably have been evicted quite early on, but now she is favourite to win. And I'll be voting for her).

 

[Treacle Toes]

Minion: No Osama, Jade Goodie has decided to aquire all the oxo for herself in an act of unspeakable monsterism...

You know full well I was not talking about their use of Oxo cubes.

They are products of our society...Their ideas were formulated by our society....They represent our society.
It makes us feel uncomfortable, we perhaps recognise ourselves in them, warts and all.

'We' are disgusted with them because they are embarrassing 'us', washing our society's proverbial dirty washing in public.
Proving to the world that we are not so 'civilised' afterall. That yes, we may lord it all over the place, telling them we know best, when to do something and how to do it, but clearly, our method isn't fool-proof....It illustrates that it isn't just our government that has an inflated sense of self and few principals, even our 'court-jesters' think they are better than everyone else and can do what they like, when they like....especially if they are not one of 'us'.

 

[zed]

To be fair, despite her rubbish upbringing, she does try to do her best for her mum, which is something.

Yes it is ...but hardly a talent.

 

[zed]

Originally Posted by Iemanja
I used to like Jade but I've lost a lot of respect for her

Respect?

You used to have respect for her ...based on what exactly?

 

[Aravis]

I wish people would leave off bringing irrelevant details and opinions about Jade into this - your views on her talents, looks, weight etc have nothing to do with it. The salient point is her behaviour. And it is on that that she should be judged.

However, as I've said before, the press coverage is not accurate when it accuses her of leading a gang of racist bullies etc - Jade is a bully and her behaviour is unacceptable, but the racists are Danielle (especially), and Jo.

Interestingly the Express thinks the bullying has had a racist content, and it is hardly an organ of racial harmony itself. So does the Sun to some degree, and to a lesser extent the Mail. That these right wing rags are condemning the behaviour of these celebrities as racist bullying is surely some measure? I wonder if Channel 4 will change their view, in the light of Danielle Lloyd's outburst and Shilpa's now stated belief that there is a racist flavour to the bullying?

(To those who say Shilpa is annoying: you are, of course, right. And without the racist bullying she would probably have been evicted quite early on, but now she is favourite to win. And I'll be voting for her).

I don't think Shilpa is annoying at all. She has really lovely manners and is polite and sweet. The problem is that mud sticks - that crew of witches has claimed so often that she is annoying/stuck up that I think people just start to believe it must be fact.
The only times she's ever offered Jade any sort of put-downs is when she's under extreme provocation - like having someone shriek into your face that your head is up your arse and you are smelling your own shit.

 

[STFC]

To be fair, despite her rubbish upbringing, she does try to do her best for her mum, which is something.

The Kray twins loved their mum, and they were killers. Not saying Jade is a murderer or anything, but she has shown a deeply unpleasant side to her nature. I don't care what your background is, you can still treat others with respect.

 

[zed]

(To those who say Shilpa is annoying: you are, of course, right. And without the racist bullying she would probably have been evicted quite early on, but now she is favourite to win. And I'll be voting for her).

Why?

Out of sympathy?

To make some kind of political statement?

Because if she doesn't everyone will be scared that the world will think we're all racist?

 

[iROBOT]

I can't help thinking now the media have a new Diana in Kate Middleton they're happy to kill the Posh/Jade/celebrity monster they helped create.

All I can say 'arry Boy is, Thank god for Kate.

 

[STFC]

Why?

Out of sympathy?

To make some kind of political statement?

Because if she doesn't everyone will be scared that the world will think we're all racist?

Everyone loves an underdog.

 

[girasol]

Respect?

You used to have respect for her ...based on what exactly?

Based on the fact that I thought she was a decent person?

e2a: don't forget she was the underdog on the BB she won. (STFC's post reminded me of that too)

 

[danny la rouge]

Why?

Out of sympathy?

To make some kind of political statement?

Because if she doesn't everyone will be scared that the world will think we're all racist?

Because I don't like bullies and racists.

 

[Augie March]

double post

 

[tommers]

I don't think Shilpa is annoying at all. She has really lovely manners and is polite and sweet. The problem is that mud sticks - that crew of witches has claimed so often that she is annoying/stuck up that I think people just start to believe it must be fact.
The only times she's ever offered Jade any sort of put-downs is when she's under extreme provocation - like having someone shriek into your face that your head is up your arse and you are smelling your own shit.

hooray! jade thinks she must be stuck up cos she is obviously well-educated, successful, beautiful etc etc.

it's more of jade's insecurities.

the worst thing i can see about shilpa is that she likes to take over shopping lists.

 

[Augie March]

Interestingly the Express thinks the bullying has had a racist content, and it is hardly an organ of racial harmony itself. So does the Sun to some degree, and to a lesser extent the Mail. That these right wing rags are condemning the behaviour of these celebrities as racist bullying is surely some measure?

That's another thing that annoys me about the whole fiasco too. The fucking hypocritical tabloids who are only to happy to jump on the bandwagon of hate when it suits them.

It'll be a different tune once they're all evicited though, they'll be offering huge sums of money for the exclusive rights to their stories.

 

[rocketman]

Yes it is ...but hardly a talent.

Well, yes, it's a quality rather than a talent. She doesn't know her talent. She's never had to struggle hard enough to find one. She's suffered, mind.

 

[Chairman Meow]

Why?

Out of sympathy?

To make some kind of political statement?

Because if she doesn't everyone will be scared that the world will think we're all racist?

Because she has behaved impeccably and with much greater grace than most people would be capable of [including me], under such a vicious and nasty onslaught, and I admire her for that?

 

[zed]

Based on the fact that I thought she was a decent person?

OK.

I just normally associate 'respect' with being reserved for people that do something out of the ordinary, that do something extra. Being 'decent' I normally expect as standard behaviour.

I guess it depends on how we interpret the word respect.

 

[rocketman]

I don't care what your background is, you can still treat others with respect.

I agree (I said something similar earlier - trouble with these 90 page posts is a lot gets lost).

 

[maximilian ping]

I don't care what your background is, you can still treat others with respect.

exactly. that's what this is all about. its jade's personality, not down to single things like class, racism, uprbringing. it's a mixture of everything.

and i'm sorry whoever was banging on earlier about working class not being about Jade's fucked up attitude but instead being about the Tolpuddle Martyrs - you are wrong. its about both.

 

[Loki]

Complaints about the show have reached a record 30,000. Media watchdog Ofcom said it is Channel 4's "responsibility" to respond to viewer concerns.

Ofcom said it was "taking the matter very seriously and monitoring the situation very, very carefully"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6274881.stm

 

[rocketman]

The worst thing i can see about shilpa is that she likes to take over shopping lists.

Potentially because if you look at the others in there (four useless blokes, three foolish young girls and one woman from the debs club) she's the only one with the basic understanding of home economics (potentially taught her by her mum) to cope with the notion of shopping on a budget.

 

[danny la rouge]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6274881.stm

"Goody's spokeswoman said [...] 'it appears Jade dislikes Shilpa'."

No shit!

 

[Lisarocket]

e2a: don't forget she was the underdog on the BB she won. (STFC's post reminded me of that too)

I thought she came 3rd in BB3

Can't remember who won mind you. Was it the blond girl. Can't remember her name?

Edit: Aye it was Kate Lawler. Cheers Wiki.

 

[rocketman]

i'm sorry whoever was banging on earlier about working class not being about Jade's fucked up attitude but instead being about the Tolpuddle Martyrs - you are wrong. its about both.

That (strangely, and I ain't posting for a while after this one) was me who said that.

Are you sure about that? I think Jade's fucked-up attitude reflects our fucked-up education system, and 20 years of its mismanagement, its a way today's kids behave that has been foisted on us all. And could be part of the debate, but it isn't inherently working class.

 

[killer b]

aparently carphone warehouse are pulling out of sponsoring the show now...

 

[girasol]

OK.

I just normally associate 'respect' with being reserved for people that do something out of the ordinary, that do something extra. Being 'decent' I normally expect as standard behaviour.

I guess it depends on how we interpret the word respect.

I always thought that Jade's personality was her talent, her something extra. Her colourful and genuine character is what endeared her to me.

According to Jade's mum the reason why Jade didnt' get a proper education was because she was looking after her mother (Jackie) rather than going to school. Don't you think that deserves respect?

Anyway, I'm not defending Jade anymore, I'm appalled by the way she's been acting.

 

[iROBOT]

True. I used to like Jade but I've lost a lot of respect for her, Shilpa has handled all the attacks she has suffered gracefully, while Jade screamed her way through the arguments, imposing herself through intimidation. The way she marched towards Shilpa yesterday was quite threatening.

The more I watch it the more I respect Shilpa, purely because of the way she's handling the whole situation (regardless of whether she's 'stuck up' or snobbish - I don't think that matters anymore).

Yes, she's doing Indians and India proud...god bless her.

 

[girasol]

I thought she came 3rd in BB3

Can't remember who won mind you. Was it the blond girl. Can't remember her name?

Edit: Aye it was Kate Lawler. Cheers Wiki.

oh yes, that's right!

I always thought of Jade as being the winner, she's certainly the most 'famous'

 

[Ranu]

I think Jade's fucked-up attitude reflects our fucked-up education system.

I think Jade's fucked-up attitude reflects her fucked-up mother.

 

[Chairman Meow]

Jade was fouth in BB3 I think.