Celebrity Big Brother 2007
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exosculate
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chazegee said:Me too, I got her looks and personality
You're Carol Thatcher.
So what was I'm a Celebrity Get me Out of Here really like?
maximilian ping
Grrrrr
niksativa said:
hmmm. russell brand has been saying this all week. i think its typical journalistic waffle based on the fact the three girls are indeed working class. if it had been three posh people bullying/being racist then there would have been reems of stuff about how posh people are living in the past/live in ivory tower. then in the sunday telegraph you would get someone saying 'this is an anti upper class conspiracy' bla bla.
its just hacks filling pages
chazegee
Number two.
maximilian ping said:
Everyone in this society is a figure of Abuse, try it....
Bloody Toffs
Bloody Chavs
Bloody Hacks
Bloody Blacks
Bloody White trash
Bloody Loony lefties
Bloody Facists
Bloody Hooligans
Bloody Geeks
Bloody Lawyers
Bloody Asians
Bloody Men
Bloody Women
Bloody Gays
Bloody Lawyers
Bloody Electicians tsk.
Bloody Middle class volvo drivers
Bloody Celebrities
Bloody Foreigners
Bloody Lawyers
Bloody Trots
Bloody Trolls
Bloody 4 Eyes
Bloody Clots
Bloody Hell
We all get it, not just Jade.
maximilian ping
Grrrrr
Bloody Marys
When Danielle was deposed as Miss Great Britain, she was replaced by a girl of Indian origin according to a story in the Guardian.
It linked to her website http://www.preetidesai.com/
Perhaps this is one of the reasons Danielle doesn't like Shilpa. Sorry if this has been linked to before - I haven't read the whole thread.
It linked to her website http://www.preetidesai.com/
Perhaps this is one of the reasons Danielle doesn't like Shilpa. Sorry if this has been linked to before - I haven't read the whole thread.
han
love is the answer
Iemanja said:The last 5 mins were hilarious
I wish they got drunk more often and had a laugh like they did just now
Yep that was brilliant wasn't it - when they were all chucking water over each other then falling in between the beds.....
They should definitely do that more often - we need a bit of lightheartedness in this show!
Louloubelle
Well-Known Member
niksativa said:
from your link
"In the Five Minute Hate of the past week, nobody has pointed out that in fact, by any tangible measure, the white working class is the least racist part of British society. White working class women are twelve times more likely to have a baby with a black guy than the rich white women who jeer at their “racism”. I’d say having sex with black people is a pretty unequivocal act of anti-racism."
I just don't agree with this at all, from personal experience.
Growing up and going to schools in Luton and Dunstable it was my experience that the working class people I knew (including my parents) were very much more racist than the middle class people I knew. I'm not saying that this is true of people from other areas or that my experience reflects the whole of Britain but I think that to say that working class people are less racist than middle class people is a ridiculous thing to say.
I think it's also insane to suggest that having sex with a 'black' person means that you're not racist. Some of the most racist people I've ever met have viewed African people as a rich vein of sexual entertainment to tap into whenever they felt like it.
In fact probably the most racist person that I've met was a european women with an african parter and 14 mixed race kids. The first time I met her (she was the manager of a charity I worked for in the 80s) she told me not to speak to the African women in the project because they were 'bounty bars' who were black on the outside and white in the middle.
Having said that, I don't agree with the people throwing words like 'pikey' and 'chav' around and this is obviously replacing one bigoted stereotype with another.
souljacker
innit
Lisarocket said:On a lighter note.
Just wanted to mention a vaguely funny thing i read somewhere...
Jermaine has loads of male kids with names starting with the letter J- The now famous Jermajesty, but apparently he has kids called Jermaine Jr., Jourdynn, Jeremy, Jaimy, Jaffar and Jesus. The girls are called Autumn and Dawn, but the last kid.....
Is called Dave
What's that all about
Fucking good name, Dave. Good for him. Jermaine to win!
Ridiculous. Telling grown adults what to watch on the telly. The ban-urge is far more damaging than anything Jade did.rocketman said:
LOL! Who’s been caused 'real damage'? How does this damage manifest itself? What are the symptoms? Do these people now clog NHS wards? Are teams of bearded psychiatrists spreading out across Britain and discovering whole communities paralysed by psychological trauma?
Please post a pic or, ideally, a YouTube clip, of a person suffering ‘real damage’ – say foaming at the mouth whilst covered in boils– provoked by witnessing Jade say ‘poppadom.’
tangerinedream
Density of Sound
tekla said:Ridiculous. Telling grown adults what to watch on the telly. The ban-urge is far more damaging than anything Jade did.
LOL! Who’s been caused 'real damage'? How does this damage manifest itself? What are the symptoms? Do these people now clog NHS wards? Are teams of bearded psychiatrists spreading out across Britain and discovering whole communities paralysed by psychological trauma?
Please post a pic or, ideally, a YouTube clip, of a person suffering ‘real damage’ – say foaming at the mouth whilst covered in boils– provoked by witnessing Jade say ‘poppadom.’
Jade is apparantly 'on the verge of suicide' according to the sun (i think it was the sun)
Now, this may or may not be a PR stunt and yes, part of me thinks, well - y'know, she is going to feel a bit shit and mabe she'll learn something but the point is
a) if it is real, fuck me - that would be awful and make C$ seem to have blood on their hands
b) if (as is seemingly obvious) a contricous and deliberate public statement, then that's equally worrying for me because
- BB is turning into the soap opera of our day, but with one crucial difference, - it involves real people - in good old Corrie or Eastender, we debate how Mike or Grant would/should/could react to certain situations which are of course fictional. We can deride or laude soap as we wish, that's not the point - it's a popular medium, capable of creating role models, tackling issues and just like BB create heroes and villains. But it is just a soap, just a drama, just a fiction
- When this idea of BBs 'characters' real life behaviour become public debate, I honestly think it's a bad thing, I think we all start to think more about 'public image ltd' and more about how Jade or whoever should behave 'to win' - we don't tend to think about moral acts, about what is the responsible things to do - because, hey - we're all so post-modern now, it's not about that, don't you see, it's a game and like, they win or, like lose - That guy's nice but dull, throw him out - she'll make sparks fly, keep her in...
- With a soap, we like evil characters, we dislike boring ones, we understand motivations, we address issues but with that crucial distinction, it isn't real therefore no-one gets hurt and it hasn't got that horrible element of 'who wins, who loses'
It's like comparing the film 'crash' with C4 or whoever actually filming car crashes and wanking over the victims...
It's like people below who said (maybe it was tekla?) it's the roman colliseum for a modern age... maybe I'm wrong but I don't think that I particulally want a colliseum for the modern age, I am suffering the perhaps misguided belief that watching people (remember - people first, slaves second) being gored to death is possibly not a good thing...
We can disregard BB as just entertainment, but actually, no it's not just that, and especially not anymore.
These are people playing roles, without scripts, without directors, without the ability to go home at night and wind down, without a character to hide behind other than the one they try to maintain for themselves and it has gone for long enough - C4's remit is supposed to be to innovate, to experiment, what's left with BB? - We've had sex, racism, gender politics, disability, it's done a lot of good, it's shown us the other sides of a lot of 'freaks' and led to a lot of debate.
honestly Tekla, what is left for it? - A stabbing? a genuine breakdown? Suicide? Bigger prizes? Executions?
time for something new, time for something that is fresh - Forget C4's 'responsibility' and it's still time to pull the plug...
Lisarocket
In bed with me dinner
tangerinedream said:
Amazing really that she managed to do GMTV and This Morning today if she feels so bad...
@ Jades pr team
tangerinedream
Density of Sound
Lisarocket said:Amazing really that she managed to do GMTV and This Morning today if she feels so bad...
at PR teams in general.I didn't see that harrassment of Dirk as all that out of order.
Cleo gave her reasons in the diary room afterwards - he's dull, he talks about bear hunting and eating beans and rice, he has no sense of humour (I don't necessarily agree with that - but he likes to be the one making the witty comments from afar. He doesn't join in as such) he harrasses Shilpa and started banging on about porn mags in front of the girls in the morning which Cleo obviously took afront to. He seems to get off on making people feel uncomfortable but in such a way that they can't do anything about it without appearing to overreact - the way he bundled Shilpa in the living room for example. It's all just "play".
I don't like him and I don't like the way that according to him the reasons Cleo wound him up were because she's a "desperate woman". He has a big ego and doesn't like being made a fool of - that's all.
(For the record - Cleo would have irritated me too but she was showing up his true character. He claims his kids were watching and that was embarrassing - what? - as opposed to joking about porn mags and chasing a woman half is age? He's a hypocrite.)
Cleo gave her reasons in the diary room afterwards - he's dull, he talks about bear hunting and eating beans and rice, he has no sense of humour (I don't necessarily agree with that - but he likes to be the one making the witty comments from afar. He doesn't join in as such) he harrasses Shilpa and started banging on about porn mags in front of the girls in the morning which Cleo obviously took afront to. He seems to get off on making people feel uncomfortable but in such a way that they can't do anything about it without appearing to overreact - the way he bundled Shilpa in the living room for example. It's all just "play".
I don't like him and I don't like the way that according to him the reasons Cleo wound him up were because she's a "desperate woman". He has a big ego and doesn't like being made a fool of - that's all.
(For the record - Cleo would have irritated me too but she was showing up his true character. He claims his kids were watching and that was embarrassing - what? - as opposed to joking about porn mags and chasing a woman half is age? He's a hypocrite.)
Chairman Meow
Perth, WA
PieEye said:
Cleo wasn't there when he was talking about porn [which was in response to someone [Jo?] asking him when he had last 'knocked one out'. Apparantly Cleo was planning her 'Tiara' performance on Friday night - before Dirk did anything at all.
I don't think either of them are blameless to be honest - I find Dirk's behaviour around Shilpa pretty creepy too, but Cleo was way way over the top, and disingenuous about the reason for her behaviour too.
I don’t see how there can be a comparison between Dirk and Shilpa’s flirting, and the stunt that Cleo pulled. In the former case, it’s consensual and reciprocated – Shilpa seems to get a lot of fun out of bantering with him too. Whereas with Cleo, he made it clear from the outset that he found it uncomfortable. Now whether that makes him grumpy or a bad sport is a matter of opinion (I don’t think so, I think he was being gunned for and knew it), however no means no. If the genders had been reversed in that situation, it would have caused an outcry.
As for her attempt at justification; nonsense. She didn’t even hear the “pornography” discussion. Dirk was chatting to Jo and Danielle and telling them silly things that anyone with half a brain would have recognised as just a bit of nonsense, such as saying that he hadn’t showered for four days. One of the comments was that he missed his pornography, then he said only joking he didn’t even own any. By this point Jo had got in a crude comment about him “knocking one out”.
I thought both comments Cleo made about his age were pretty low. What, is someone not allowed to be a sexual being at all when they pass a certain age? What does she deem the cut-off point then? Alternatively, it’s back to the old beating someone with the easiest available stick method of bullying. With Shilpa, her cultural/ethnic differences. Now with Dirk it’s the fact that he’s the oldest
Bitter woman I think.
What also sits uncomfortably is that it’s another pack-hunting exercise. This appears to be the only way that Jo and Danielle can socially interact.
As for her attempt at justification; nonsense. She didn’t even hear the “pornography” discussion. Dirk was chatting to Jo and Danielle and telling them silly things that anyone with half a brain would have recognised as just a bit of nonsense, such as saying that he hadn’t showered for four days. One of the comments was that he missed his pornography, then he said only joking he didn’t even own any. By this point Jo had got in a crude comment about him “knocking one out”.
I thought both comments Cleo made about his age were pretty low. What, is someone not allowed to be a sexual being at all when they pass a certain age? What does she deem the cut-off point then? Alternatively, it’s back to the old beating someone with the easiest available stick method of bullying. With Shilpa, her cultural/ethnic differences. Now with Dirk it’s the fact that he’s the oldest
Bitter woman I think.
What also sits uncomfortably is that it’s another pack-hunting exercise. This appears to be the only way that Jo and Danielle can socially interact.
Hey Mr Sense of Humour Failure.rocketman said:
I was being a bit sarky. Is that unacceptable? Has it caused you 'real damage'. Seriously, if millions of decent hard working Brits have fallen off their sofas suffering 'real damage' as a result of witnessing Jade say 'Papadom' there should be medical records, hospital admission statistics, photographs of relatives huddled in A&E departments etc. Hence your claim that 'real damage' has occurred should be easy to back up. Please post the evidence here.
And what's Endemol? Similar to Ritalin? And how does it 'derail' a message board discussion? I'm debating Big Brother on a thread labelled for that purpose. Or do you wish not only to ban Big Brother from the telly but curtail how BB may be discussed on a BB?
Get a grip!
tekla said:
Do you really think that people who have been victims of racism or bullying have been watching that show without experiencing pain?
Now, you can ask me to produce statistics, but you know full well those statistics are not public domain, but I suspect that people who suffered the most will still be waiting for an appointment with their GP. We won't have any access to such statistics until the next quarterly NHS statistical review. Whether they will be directly named as part of a statistical group is debatable.
So lets move away from that stalking horse, it only takes a little imagination to think of how these scenes may have hurt people.
Endemol, FYI, is the company that makes Big Brother.
The argument about censorship is another misdirection. Endemol failed to act quickly enough to prevent this becoming a major issue, and chose to cynically exploit what was taking place in order to boost ratings.
Anyway - anything I say in response to your post has been ably addressed by Tangerine Dream in a post above. I'd be interested to see your response to his feedback on your original claims.
Chairman Meow
Perth, WA
tekla said:And what's Endemol? Similar to Ritalin?
QUOTE]
Err, Endemol is the TV production company wot invented Big Brother.
Chairman Meow said:
Dirk could have discussed the weather and it would still have been used as ammunition against him. Cleo just wants to jump on his bones and is jealous at his relationship with Shilpa. There's nothing unpleasant in the way he and Shilpa relate, they are just having fun - and both understand the line.
As ever, Jo and Danielle sit behind the bitching. They like it there. Horrible women.
exosculate
a stagger with a beat
Chairman Meow said:tekla said:And what's Endemol? Similar to Ritalin?
QUOTE]
Err, Endemol is the TV production company wot invented Big Brother.
I would say its the opposite of Ritalin!
tangerinedream said:
The 40,000 who complained to the regulator might dispute that.
Let me be clear. I loathe reality TV. It reminds me of the Coliseum and, amusingly, of badly run internet bulletin boards where packs of posters are permitted to run about bullying other posters. As I said above, this site seems ok.
But in a (relative) democracy with a (relatively) free media consenting adults should be permitted to do anything not expressly forbidden by law. That’s freedom under the law and shouldn’t be mucked about with. Such freedom involves risks but, again, I think consenting adults should be allowed to go to hell in their own way, should they choose.
Of course, they can be discouraged from watching BB e.g. by debates such as this, but the idea of 'protecting' Joe Public from 'real damage' caused by Ms Goody shouting her mouth off on prime time is absurd. And politically very dangerous.
But if my delicate eyes and ears must be defended, by the state, from Jade Bigmouth I also seek protection from a far more damaging phenomenon: turning on my telly and being confronted by this:
tangerinedream
Density of Sound
tekla said:The 40,000 who complained to the regulator might dispute that.
Let me be clear. I loathe reality TV. It reminds me of the Coliseum and, amusingly, of badly run internet bulletin boards where packs of posters are permitted to run about bullying other posters. As I said above, this site seems ok.
But in a (relative) democracy with a (relatively) free media consenting adults should be permitted to do anything not expressly forbidden by law. That’s freedom under the law and shouldn’t be mucked about with. Such freedom involves risks but, again, I think consenting adults should be allowed to go to hell in their own way, should they choose.
Of course, they can be discouraged from watching BB e.g. by debates such as this, but the idea of 'protecting' Joe Public from 'real damage' caused by Ms Goody shouting her mouth off on prime time is absurd. And politically very dangerous.
But if my delicate eyes and ears must be defended, by the state, from Jade Bigmouth I also seek protection from a far more damaging phenomenon: turning on my telly and being confronted by this:
It's not a question of state interference, it a question of the integrity and commitment of channel four to relevent and inventive television.
Do they a) keep hawking big brother, knowing it is out of control and has become actually rather a parody of itself
Do they b) say, well! - that was exciting, here's something new...
You havn't actually addresed anything I''ve said, just reiterated your argument - I don't think either myself or rocketman advocated censorship, instead suggesting it was probably the right time for the whole thing to stop.
Certainly r'man was talking about damage to the PARTICIPANTS which is very different from protecting your precious ears and eyes. It's the reason why, say a snuff film isn't on telly - not because it might upset you, but because someone is actually murdered in the making of it.
I havn't ever claimed anyone is going to be harmed by what Jade said, how can I - I didn't even watch it, and I havn't addressed her comments on any thread, least of all above - of more interest is the process of the media itself and the way real people are being treated like soap characters and the fact behaviour in BB is being disected like behaviour in real life.
I could go on and on, but I'm working!
Late to this thread and haven’t watched any of CelebBig Shat 3000 this year (or last year – tis BANNED in our house ) but (and Agent Sparrow beat me to it) the Gordon Brown thing really is priceless and EXACTLY like the Thick of It. The fact that he got it wrong ffs and said ‘a vote for Shilpa is a vote for Britain and a vote for British tolerance.’ Oh my word! I could hear the screams of whoever New Labour’s latest ‘Malcolm’ is from here when that clanger was pointed out to Gordon H.E. Brownose Sun-Readers on his hols in India.
*apologies if this has all been said, i skim read just a couple of pages of this thread, its late but had to put my two penneth in as i been stewing about it last week when the Brown statement came out!)*
) but (and Agent Sparrow beat me to it) the Gordon Brown thing really is priceless and EXACTLY like the Thick of It. The fact that he got it wrong ffs and said ‘a vote for Shilpa is a vote for Britain and a vote for British tolerance.’ Oh my word! I could hear the screams of whoever New Labour’s latest ‘Malcolm’ is from here when that clanger was pointed out to Gordon H.E. Brownose Sun-Readers on his hols in India.*apologies if this has all been said, i skim read just a couple of pages of this thread, its late but had to put my two penneth in as i been stewing about it last week when the Brown statement came out!)*
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