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Celebrity Big Brother 2007

Shilpa to win!

She's the kindest person in there, and Jermaine. I thought it was very sweet of them to intervene to try and calm things down.

Jo is awful! :(
 
rocketman said:
As per the ringleader. I said already, Jade was just manipulated, and was too loud for the others to build new relationships - but has anyone noticed that if anyone wants to make 'a scene' - take a look - who is always behind them, egging them on...

Jo and Danielle.

It's them. They the poison. Latching onto those who can most easily be manipulated, sparking them up, and watching the fireworks.
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I think that Cleo is the real shitstirrer.
 
Maltin said:
Yes, 50 years ago was different. In the UK we had just 2 channels and in the US there were only 3 major networks (I accept that they are still the major networks, but not sure how many other channels there were then).

In those days of fewer distractions, the TV shows could have enlightened a whole generation. I accept that some programmes did, but the vast majority did not.

I can't see that with the advent of so many new channels that a broadcaster can educate many people. Yes, they can show educational programmes, but as there are now so many choices, most people aren't interested in them and will watch something else.

Yes, new media such as the internet enables individuals to comment on programmes in real time and make their feelings known, but the distribution of such comments and feelings is extremely limited and, I feel, will reduce as more and more sites are created.
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Maltin, I want to respond, but I have a feeling we are coming at this from slightly different directions, which is great - we may learn from each other, but there's a few things. My main thing: I don't think all TV needs to be educational, inspirational or utterly stimulating. Sometimes it's just about entertainment, and that's alright. It's all about different strokes and different folks....

In a future market, a massive market of multiple niches, it's inevitable that mass market shows will become ever less representative and relevant to the society they are trying to cater for.

And regarding enlightenment - I don't know for sure, and am happy to be dismissed as some idealist, but I can't help but feel what's positive about this debate is that we have a situation in which millions of people became enlightened about racism and bullying all inside a few days, and all at once...that's proper energy that is.

While it may to an extent in future be forgotten in the near-term, I think this whole debacle may have positive impact (unless the people with power fuck up their repsonse, like they always do) in the mid and long-term future.

Isn't it a good thing everyone is suddenly thinking about racism and bullying and analysing things like the media and the nature of human motivation and all thinking about these things at about the same time?

Well, optimistic me thinks it could be good. Most positive and inclusive discussion we've had for ages. And if everyone gets used to thinking and talking about such things, will we keep talking - considering other things - or will we go quiet? Whichever way it goes, it's an opportunity to reach new ideas, new consensus, better chance - across so many social divides - than we (as humans on this planet) have enjoyed for ages.

Obviously I'm an idealist and only half right, but that's OK. I can live with that.
 
Iemanja said:
Shilpa to win!

She's the kindest person in there, and Jermaine. I thought it was very sweet of them to intervene to try and calm things down.

Jo is awful! :(
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I'd like to see Shilpa, Jermaine, Dirk and Ian in the final. They are all people with self respect.

Sadly i think the next noms will be Shilpa V Dirk unless Jo and Danielle are barred from noms because they have been discussing them...
 
I agree, it may have been unsavoury but CBB holds up a mirror and gives us a chance to see ourselves clearly. We can only learn from this!! :)
 
Lisarocket said:
I'd like to see Shilpa, Jermaine, Dirk and Ian in the final. They are all people with self respect.

Sadly i think the next noms will be Shilpa V Dirk unless Jo and Danielle are barred from noms because they have been discussing them...
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Agree about the final. I'm just keeping fingers crossed about them blocking those two from nominating. They might well though as they showed the nominations discussion both on BBLB and the highlights show.
 
rocketman said:
Maltin, I want to respond
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I agree with all of your points.

The main thing I want to add is that I don't believe that Big Brother set out to create a debate about racism in the UK and don't believe that the show has anything inherently positive to give to the world.

Despite that, I normally enjoy watching it as I'm a nosy bastard and am interested in how people interact and what fools they make of themselves (One of the reason I enjoy looking at this website :D).

I think this is the first time that I haven't bothered watching it. It didn't help with the introduction of Jade and the fact that I couldn't stand to watch her again.
 
On a lighter note.

Just wanted to mention a vaguely funny thing i read somewhere...

Jermaine has loads of male kids with names starting with the letter J- The now famous Jermajesty, but apparently he has kids called Jermaine Jr., Jourdynn, Jeremy, Jaimy, Jaffar and Jesus. The girls are called Autumn and Dawn, but the last kid.....

Is called Dave :D

What's that all about :D

Almost as bad as his brother with Prince Michael, Prince Michael 2nd (blanket)- won't he have a complex in years to come! and Paris Michael....
 
Lisarocket said:
On a lighter note.

Just wanted to mention a vaguely funny thing i read somewhere...

Jermaine has loads of male kids with names starting with the letter J- The now famous Jermajesty, but apparently he has kids called Jermaine Jr., Jourdynn, Jeremy, Jaimy, Jaffar and Jesus. The girls are called Autumn and Dawn, but the ninth kid.....

Is called Dave :D

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:D :D :D
 
Maltin said:
The main thing I want to add is that I don't believe that Big Brother set out to create a debate about racism in the UK and don't believe that the show has anything inherently positive to give to the world.
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Oh for sure - they never set out to achieve something like this. This is accidental, but it happened. I reckon all the TV execs and politicos are suddenly realising that the vision they share ("You can lie to the people some of the time" author - well you know who it was) has been overtaken by a public waking up to its own need to decide things.

THis really has nothing to do with a 'PC brigade', and everything to do with us all waking up to our 'common humanity'.
 
Lisarocket said:
On a lighter note.

Just wanted to mention a vaguely funny thing i read somewhere...

Jermaine has loads of male kids with names starting with the letter J- The now famous Jermajesty, but apparently he has kids called Jermaine Jr., Jourdynn, Jeremy, Jaimy, Jaffar and Jesus. The girls are called Autumn and Dawn, but the ninth kid.....

Is called Dave :D

What's that all about :D

Almost as bad as his brother with Prince Michael, Prince Michael 2nd (blanket)- won't he have a complex in years to come! and Paris Michael....
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:cool:
 
I was worried they would turn on Dirk next and they have. :( I also agree with those that have said about Jo and Danielle always being the ones to egg people on when they are behaving badly.

I don't think Shilpa takes any offence from Dirks flirting and she has flirted back too. If any of them do take offence they can tell Dirk themselves they don't need Cleo to defend them and I do think she was out of order tonight.

This years BB has completely changed my opinion of the people in there. I had very different ideas of how they would be and I'm very disappointed in some.:(
 
Just did a count up...

Dave appears to be the 10th kid :eek:

Still funny though :D

Even Jermaine doesn't seem to know how may he's got, because he says he has nine...
 
Apparently the Scum are going to lead with a story of Jade being on the brink of suicide.
I imagine she said ' I could die'.....or something like that.
 
Rutita1 said:
Apparently the Scum are going to lead with a story of Jade being on the brink of suicide.
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Oh well, i suppose they can't run again with the 'jade rushed to hospital' story that they've done a couple of times before she went in :rolleyes:
 
My reading of what's going on at the moment.....
Cleo has a thing for Dirk, and is proably jealous of the attention he gives Shilpa. It seems like the kind of attraction that annoys you because the person actually annoys you as well...iyswim.
He has picked up on it and is a bit disturbed by it.
She took great pleasure in winding him up and used his reaction to bring him down with the rest of the group.
Interesting that Cleo has now started bonding with the girls. They were clearly trying to push him over the edge.
Cleo strikes me as a very insecure woman although she clearly has a good heart and would proably prefer an easy life. Unfortunately, jealousy is a tricky emotion, especailly the repressed kind.
 
Rutita1 said:
My reading of what's going on at the moment.....
Cleo has a thing for Dirk, and is proably jealous of the attention he gives Shilpa. It seems like the kind of attraction that annoys you because the person actually annoys you as well...iyswim.
He has picked up on it and is a bit disturbed by it.
She took great pleasure in winding him up and used his reaction to bring him down with the rest of the group.
Interesting that Cleo has now started bonding with the girls. They were clearly trying to push him over the edge.
Cleo strikes me as a very insecure woman although she clearly has a good heart and would proably prefer an easy life. Unfortunately, jealous is a tricky emotion, especailly the repressed kind.
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Or she has a thing for Shilpa. She might not be straight.

Whatever it is, something very strange is happening. I found tonight's show really upsetting.
 
ianw said:
Or she has a thing for Shilpa. She might not be straight.

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Mmmmmmmmmmaybe, although if that were the case I would have expected her to defend Shilpa a bit more over the last week or so.....I think it's Dirk she likes.
 
niksativa said:
This is the best thing I have read so far about the whole Jade affair:
http://www.johannhari.com/index.php

go to : "Our Jaded attitude towards the white working class" via the link
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I didn't read the whole thing, so should not really comment. What's annoying about the press reaction to this is that they are regarding Jade as a racist bully, which she isn't. She isn't a racist - she was a bully.

Thing is, if we buy the media picture then the real racist (Danielle) gets away with it, and Jade's the sacrifice.

Also - earlier on in this thread, I was talking about the 'working class' defence. I do agree with the commentator in that this isn't a class issue - this is an ignorance issue. The spectre of ignorant chavs on every high street is a failure of parenting and education, a gift from a government of 20 years ago - consider - all education policy is in fact a time bomb.

The press and producers followed the people on this one. To characterise the working class as ignorant, racist bullies is just an attempt to remove power from the people - from all works of life - who wagged the media dog's tail in the first place.
 
chazegee said:
I'm not really sure if Jade represents the working class:eek: :D
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Whilst I think he is right that being chavist is the same as being racist, yet is accepted without qualms.

I agree that Jade doesn't represent the mainstream of the white working class, she represents a very dysfunctional end of the white working class.

And to me is one of Thatchers children.
 
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