Celebrity Big Brother 2007
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Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
It's not strictly speaking publicly funded yet.Zeppo said:
Apathy
Roll us yer cap Grandad!!
to be fair Jack might have had some grand fantasys about going in that house and taking the world by storm with his charm and wit and intellect... But like most people with any deepdown, maybe hidden issues of confidence, being in the bb house and being watched by millions he has been reduced to something else entirely.... a stupid fuckin dumb simpleton
rocketman said:
As someone who grew up in the 'working class' I find it a bit insulting that this twisted class attitude still exists in the media. I can't think of any way that Jade is an appropriate class representative. The media saw how she polarised public opinion in 2002 - between people who couldn't stand her and people who felt vaguely sorry for her because she was pilloried so much on chat shows like Graham Nortons. I think this was why she was put back into the house - to create the same hell as last time.
I can't for the life of me understand what Jack was doing in CBB, or why he's still there. His only claim to 'celebrity' is living with Jade FFS. If he had any sense he would have left when she did.
I think that probably in normal circumstances Danielle is quite good at disguising her prejudices, but the way that Jade behaved sort of 'gave her permission' to show what is probably her true self. As I said before, Jade somehow acts as a catalyst in the house - if anything I think she's the manipulator - establishing her own little in-crowd of cronies who would, if necessary, stand with her against the rest.
I know this is not how it's being portrayed by the media now that Jade's been evicted - she was created by C4 and they're trying to protect their investment. Why else was she given hints by BB about how her behavior was seen by the outside world + the different eviction procedure and phony interview. [I found it very phony indeed - almost scripted - reminded me of a GWB damage limitation exercise] He is the most comparable ignoramus I could think of who regularly faces the press.
catinthehat
Failed VK = Replicant
Interestingly I just caught a bit of a reality show on one of the other channels where two groups, one male and one female are on two adjecent islands. One of the girls - categorised by the others - as very posh, has just run through a what she hates including "fat people who are just abhorent" and "black people" - although she kindly said she would not "expect them to do all her slave work".
Wonder if this will get any publicity. No idea of name of programme or channel but its UK and not a repeat I think. An addition to the correlation of class to level of racism aspect of the debate.
Wonder if this will get any publicity. No idea of name of programme or channel but its UK and not a repeat I think. An addition to the correlation of class to level of racism aspect of the debate.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Shipwrecked - there's two threads about alreadycatinthehat said:
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
It is! It's a public corporation. But it's funded by advertising and sponsorship. I doesn't have to pay for its digital platforms though and the digital switchover will be funded by the publicMaltin said:
No, but what was predicted about television, as quoted in Good Night, and Good Luck. has come true:Orang Utan said:
"To those who say people wouldn't look; they wouldn't be interested; they're too complacent, indifferent and insulated, I can only reply: There is, in one reporter's opinion, considerable evidence against that contention. But even if they are right, what have they got to lose? Because if they are right, and this instrument is good for nothing but to entertain, amuse and insulate, then the tube is flickering now and we will soon see that the whole struggle is lost. This instrument can teach, it can illuminate; yes, and it can even inspire. But it can do so only to the extent that humans are determined to use it to those ends. Otherwise it is merely wires and lights in a box."
Maltin said:
Like that a lot. Sparking thoughts on future media. This whole CBB debate could generate such discussion. It's possible that network TV's exploration of programming for the mass market could indeed spark the fire of media for a mass market of multiple niches. Honest, this whole CBB debate is an age-changer, it generates questions about media which will evolve answers and responses we can't even imagine yet. Just give it time.
Lisarocket
In bed with me dinner
God i wish Cleo would leave Dirk alone. She is so jealous of him and Shilpa she has to try and humiliate him 
I fear that, almost 50 years later, we have lost this chance forever. The world we live in now has too many distractions for a mass audience to learn anything from TV. The internet is a fabulous tool for people to learn new information and ideas, but I imagine too many people only use it to look at pornrocketman said:
. The newspapers that the majority of people read aren't interested in teaching them anything new either.catinthehat said:
In a sense, public outcry wagged the media dog last week. Clearly, those statements will be noted by the public. Whether the media picks up on it is actually irrelevant, the media are unreliable servants at any time, but that people are noting and rejecting those statements, that's the thing - just check the message boards, all over the place that second reality TV show comment has been noted.
TV networks are looking at a new reality. They though we (in the UK) were all bigots, as that's what they have been pushing for years with the 'immigration debate' - suddenly they realise that what they thought was pandering to the majority was in fact servicing the thought of a vocal minority. I'm a silly old optimist, as many know, and have a feeling that this debate on race/bullying is the spark for a wider debate.
Well, it might be, but it won't be if we don't say stuff like. At Ch4 right now they are meeting tomorrow to consider how much they misread the public mood, and this debate is international.
Revolution of thought, anyone?
ruffneck23
front left
i disagree LR , in the nicest possible way 
dirk has been really leering over shilpa and cleo is just giving him some of his own medicine and he cant handle it!
he has gone down in my estimation which is a shame
dirk has been really leering over shilpa and cleo is just giving him some of his own medicine and he cant handle it!
he has gone down in my estimation which is a shame
Maltin said:
Oh don't be downhearted. If you don't believe that victory is possible, then it isn't possible. 50 years ago was a different time. These debates take time to emerge. The so-called intellectuals are always years ahead of the mass (it's why Hitler put them in the camps), is it possible we've only just reached a point of mass communication in which it's possible for people to make a discussion before the TV show has even finished. Come on, buck up, surely it's worth hanging onto even the tiniest snippet of possibility? Wish really hard and good things could actually happen. Empires fall, consensus changes, and without consensus, there is no hegemony.
ruffneck23 said:i disagree LR , in the nicest possible way
dirk has been really leering over shilpa and cleo is just giving him some of his own medicine and he cant handle it!
he has gone down in my estimation which is a shame
No - he does things with a twinkle in his eye - he never crosses the line - Cleo - because she used a character, rather than being herself, offered him no way to say no, because her character would not allow it. He's never crossed the line with Shilpa, he just kept her feeling loved when she was down in the dumps and bullied, and to be honest, you'd have to be blind or stupid not to see Shilpa as beautiful. He's never crossed the line and takes no for an answer - but he keeps on asking (with a grin).
There's a huge difference, there really is. Cleo only did this because she fancies him and is jealous of the relationship with shilpa.
Lisarocket
In bed with me dinner
ruffneck23 said:i disagree LR , in the nicest possible way
dirk has been really leering over shilpa and cleo is just giving him some of his own medicine and he cant handle it!
he has gone down in my estimation which is a shame
It's not some of his own medicine though. Dirk knows the boundaries. He just said it to Shilpa outside- If she (or anyone) said to stop because they didn't like what he says then he would. Cleo on the other hand (with backup comments from Jo about making him crack) is trying to dig him out because she is hurt because she doesn't understand why he doens't fancy her.
Just my opinion though, but i think Cleo is a bit damaged. Dirk can see it, which is why he is slightly scared of her and doesn't want a confrontation...
The coven has turned their attention to Dirk now.
Interesting that no one is commenting on Jo smoking everywhere inside the house...
ruffneck23
front left
Lisarocket said:
ok fair comment and i will back track and agree with you to a certain extent......
exosculate
a stagger with a beat
And now they are all bullying Dirk.
Lord of the flies.
Lord of the flies.
ruffneck23
front left
@ elxocul.... ( whatever you name is ) innit , maybe jade wasnt the ring leader after all!!! ( well i think we all know that anyhoo )
) innit , maybe jade wasnt the ring leader after all!!! ( well i think we all know that anyhoo )exosculate said:And now they are all bullying Dirk.
Lord of the flies.
I hope Channel 4 pull the show. Lord of the Flies was a novel, a horrifying image of what would happen in that situation. This is an engineered situation that is matching that vision, and is causing real damage to participants, not in the world in the house, but in the outside world, beyond it.
These people may have signed up (on the basis apparently of one video of one show that was sent out) for the show, and may have been aware of some of its risks, but this is getting extremely ugly. It has been for ages.
As per the ringleader. I said already, Jade was just manipulated, and was too loud for the others to build new relationships - but has anyone noticed that if anyone wants to make 'a scene' - take a look - who is always behind them, egging them on...
Jo and Danielle.
It's them. They the poison. Latching onto those who can most easily be manipulated, sparking them up, and watching the fireworks.
Yes, 50 years ago was different. In the UK we had just 2 channels and in the US there were only 3 major networks (I accept that they are still the major networks, but not sure how many other channels there were then).rocketman said:
In those days of fewer distractions, the TV shows could have enlightened a whole generation. I accept that some programmes did, but the vast majority did not.
I can't see that with the advent of so many new channels that a broadcaster can educate many people. Yes, they can show educational programmes, but as there are now so many choices, most people aren't interested in them and will watch something else.
Yes, new media such as the internet enables individuals to comment on programmes in real time and make their feelings known, but the distribution of such comments and feelings is extremely limited and, I feel, will reduce as more and more sites are created.
ruffneck23
front left
rocketman said:
very very true
Lisarocket
In bed with me dinner
Iemanja said:The last 5 mins were hilarious
I wish they got drunk more often and had a laugh like they did just now
That's what we all used to love about it. It's almost like the producers daren't let them get drunk in case something 'wrong' is said. Also they aren't getting enough tasks to keep it interesting. In the light of recent events the producers seem to have forgotten that to change the bitchy scenario in there all they have to do is give the housemates something to do.
I fondly remember Pete Burns and Gorgeous George last year doing mime to Kraftwerk. Priceless entertainment....
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