Celebrity Big Brother 2007

[Aravis]

Hang on, wasn't she the one who was horribly bullied in BB3?

Hell no. She and a girl called Adele viciously and systematically bullied a girl called Sophie. A much prettier girl by some strange coincidence.

 

[Orang Utan]

they should have not broadcast those comments where possible

I disagree - how could they not broadcast such despicable comments?

 

[Agent Sparrow]

Hell no. She and a girl called Adele viciously and systematically bullied a girl called Sophie. A much prettier girl by some strange coincidence.

I dunno, I wasn't in the country the first part. But when I started watching it when there were about 5 or 6 in the house Kate Lawler and co. were bullying her. And Kate won, which obviously shows you that bullying in someone considered more attractive is completely fine!

I dunno, aside from all of this, there's a part of me that would be quite interested seeing how I'd cope with the BB situation. Not that I would ever dream of going on the programme mind you! But in a version without the camera (or at least just for being shown your own feedback), I'd be interested to see how I'd be able to cope in the situation. I have a feeling that any darker aspects of my personality might have might a greater chance of coming out. Saying that I don't think I'd be a bully, but I can see how in that environment it gets more difficult to actually stand up to it, and things come out in different ways. I'm not sure I'd like all of what was played back to me.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Oh dear....

JADE: THE STINK OF HYPOCRISY
Race row star's scent is made in.. INDIA! Staff earn 14p an hour
JADE Goody is today exposed as a hypocrite who uses 14p-an-hour workers in India to make her perfume - while she earned £744 an hour hurling racial abuse at housemate Shilpa Shetty.

Jade 25 - evicted from Celebrity Big Brother after subjecting Bollywood beauty Shilpa to a string of insults - has pocketed more than £1 million from sales of her Shh... scent.

But it would take the workers who produce the perfume in India nearly FOUR WEEKS o earn enough to buy a single £20 bottle.

Last night Shilpa's sister Shamita, the first member of the Shetty family to criticise Jade, said: "Her perfume is made in India - she is a hypocrite."

One worker at the Pragati Glassworks in poverty-stricken Kharach, who asked not to be named to protect his job said: 'We were proud to be making a perfume for Jade back in Britain.

"But she is a racist and attacked our Shilpa who is like a princess to us. Jade is making money out of hundreds of Indians working for her."


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Where will it all end?

 

[Treacle Toes]

I'd be interested to see how I'd be able to cope in the situation. I have a feeling that any darker aspects of my personality might have a greater chance of coming out.

I agree with you...I don't think I'd cope at all.

 

[Agent Sparrow]

Oh dear....
Where will it all end?

When she is hung drawn and quartered with her head on a spike presumably (or at least the 21st century version).

 

[Aravis]

I dunno, I wasn't in the country the first part. But when I started watching it when there were about 5 or 6 in the house Kate Lawler and co. were bullying her. And Kate won, which obviously shows you that bullying in someone considered more attractive is completely fine!

I dunno, aside from all of this, there's a part of me that would be quite interested seeing how I'd cope with the BB situation. Not that I would ever dream of going on the programme mind you! But in a version without the camera (or at least just for being shown your own feedback), I'd be interested to see how I'd be able to cope in the situation. I have a feeling that any darker aspects of my personality might have might a greater chance of coming out. Saying that I don't think I'd be a bully, but I can see how in that environment it gets more difficult to actually stand up to it, and things come out in different ways. I'm not sure I'd like all of what was played back to me.

The bullying of Sophie was much worse - that sort of stuck in my head as like so many people I got it at school and get quite wound up seeing it now.

I can't think of anything worse than being put in a situation like that either but it would certainly be interesting to see as you say. God though, the thought of a whole nation being able to see every nasty trait, idiosyncracy, gross habit - I'd find that immensly violating to my sense of self.

 

[wishface]

I disagree - how could they not broadcast such despicable comments?

Ok, i don't have a problem with that per se, but i still think they should have warned the bullies at the time properly rather than let it all carry on, and thus use it for the shows ratings. That may not have been their original intention when they stuck Jade in, maybe, but you can be sure that's what they are thinking now and over the past week.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

I dunno, I wasn't in the country the first part. But when I started watching it when there were about 5 or 6 in the house Kate Lawler and co. were bullying her. And Kate won, which obviously shows you that bullying in someone considered more attractive is completely fine!

just for clarity the she refferred to is jade not kate lawler who didn't bully anyone as far as i recall...

 

[rocketman]

Ok, i don't have a problem with that per se, but i still think they should have warned the bullies at the time properly rather than let it all carry on, and thus use it for the shows ratings. That may not have been their original intention when they stuck Jade in, maybe, but you can be sure that's what they are thinking now and over the past week.

I agree. Raising this level of controversy on the basis of racism and bullying which has taken place within a reality TV show, solely in order to boost ratings, and allowing this bullying - and Danielle's racism - to continue for a week before any partial action was taken, and with no action yet taken against two of the three protagonists, is irresponsible behaviour for any brodcaster, and unforgiveable for a terrestrial broadcaster.

The message that comes from Channel 4 on this is that racism and bullying are acceptable in UK society. The outcry against that says that UK society does'nt think that's acceptable. The damage is still done, all the same - at a time when racism and bullying are endemic in UK schools.

Taking a sideline stance on that issue is to allow it to happen, to be complicit in saying it's OK for Ch4 to broadcast this twisted version of reality. For parents, not taking a stance in the issue is to say that you think it's OK for your kids to be offered positive role models that favour bullying and racism.

The reality TV show format must in future be heavily regulated.

 

[Orang Utan]

The message that comes from Channel 4 on this is that racism and bullying are acceptable in UK society.

I don't think that's true at all

 

[rocketman]

I don't think that's true at all

Don't you? Why not? By allowing this to take place, by screening it and by refusing to take positive action when this began to take place, Channel 4 has failed in its duty of care. And has effectively said such behaviour is alright.

What's your counter argument? A knee-jerk "I don't agree" argument isn't an argument without a thesis to back it up.

 

[Random One]

I don't think that's true at all

i agree....i assume the ratings have been going up during the time that the tensions have risen in the house and so i think the message that comes across is that we just like to watch people bitching and arguing with each other

 

[Orang Utan]

Don't you? Why not? By allowing this to take place, by screening it and by refusing to take positive action when this began to take place, Channel 4 has failed in its duty of care. And has effectively said such behaviour is alright.

What's your counter argument? A knee-jerk "I don't agree" argument isn't an argument without a thesis to back it up.

While it may be true that it has exploited bullying for ratings, I don't think that necessarily means that it condones it - if it happens in the house, it is C4's duty to show it and vile people are shown up to be the horrible people they are - how is that condoning racism and bullying?

 

[rocketman]

While it may be true that it has exploited bullying for ratings, I don't think that necessarily means that it condones it - if it happens in the house, it is C4's duty to show it and vile people are shown up to be the horrible people they are - how is that condoning racism and bullying?

No it's not. If racist bullying takes place in the house, it's Channel 4's DUTY to nip it in the bud before - not after - it raises media attention globally and generates questions in the House of Commons.

It's been a cyncial manipulation of events to boost ratings on a flagging show and the "we're only reporting events" defence doesn't wash in a situation the channel is in control of. People in previous series have been instantaneously kicked out of the show for much, much less. This has been a cynical attempt to profit from racism and bullying.

Channel 4 has let the housemates down, the viewing public down, the country down.

 

[rocketman]

i agree....i assume the ratings have been going up during the time that the tensions have risen in the house and so i think the message that comes across is that we just like to watch people bitching and arguing with each other

This has caused real emotional distress to many people. I fear your attitude here shows you up as complacent - presumably you don't understand the significance of images like this on prime time TV,

Though Dirk may have it right when he said: "At least we know the world doesn't have any serious problems."

But that's dealing with the media driven dialectic, I guess.

 

[Sweaty Betty]

Anyone remember the "fight night"....

It was BB with the gay guy who arfed like a seal and that bloke victor who thought he was tupac

That was a display of contemptuous bullying, homophobia and the rest and yet what happened?????

zip

 

[Random One]

This has caused real emotional distress to many people. I fear your attitude here shows you up as complacent - presumably you don't understand the significance of images like this on prime time TV,

Though Dirk may have it right when he said: "At least we know the world doesn't have any serious problems."

But that's dealing with the media driven dialectic, I guess.

i think the whole thing has gone fucking crazy i actually don't think it is as big a deal as it has been made to be... i don't think the bullying that has been going on in the big brother house is really any worse than what was going on with Sam in the 2006 bb and no one went fucking mental then

and i think the thing that annoys me most about all this is that everyone is banging on about racism and bullying right now but about a month after all this shit ends no one is going to give a fuck and nothing is actually going to be done to change anything in society....i can't see more money/support being given to all the organisations that deal with these issues

and i'd rather you didn't tell me what i do and don't understand and make assumptions about my level of complacency

 

[rocketman]

Anyone remember the "fight night"....

It was BB with the gay guy who arfed like a seal and that bloke victor who thought he was tupac

That was a display of contemptuous bullying, homophobia and the rest and yet what happened?????

zip

All such events are worth collecting and gathering together in order to present a case demanding stricter regulation of the reality TV format.

 

[Orang Utan]

No it's not. If racist bullying takes place in the house, it's Channel 4's DUTY to nip it in the bud before - not after - it raises media attention globally and generates questions in the House of Commons.

It's been a cyncial manipulation of events to boost ratings on a flagging show and the "we're only reporting events" defence doesn't wash in a situation the channel is in control of. People in previous series have been instantaneously kicked out of the show for much, much less. This has been a cynical attempt to profit from racism and bullying.

Channel 4 has let the housemates down, the viewing public down, the country down.

I think that's true to a certain extent, yet I'm glad the nation got to saw that kind of stupidity that is all too common, yet is rarely depicted on telly.

 

[Orang Utan]

This has caused real emotional distress to many people. I fear your attitude here shows you up as complacent - presumably you don't understand the significance of images like this on prime time TV,

I think that is unnecessary and patronising

 

[ZAMB]

She's probably more Lee Bowyer's type anyway, racist twat that he is.

The sad thing is that if they were to split up immediatiately after this show it would just compound the feeding frenzy in the press - with the NOTW or the Sun probably first in line with the xenophobic comments against him. [She was, after all, a British beauty queen]

I don't see how this can turn out well for Sheringham, really, he'll be damned if he does and damned if he doesn't by the media. Can't say I've a lot of sympathy for him though - he's been living with her for long enough to know what she's like - by going on this show she's just showed the world what he must've already known. She'd already given this interview to a men's magazine, after all - note the recent comments at the end with regard to Big Brother.

Q-3escribe how you fell in love with Teddy Sheringham? How did he seduce you?
He got me drunk (laughs). No, he’s just… he’s just, you know I’ve never met anybody like him before, he’s just like a real gentleman, he’s lovely. He’s just really sweet and he’d do anything for me. And I like the fact that he gives me my own independence; that I can go out with me friends and do whatever I want whenever and he can do exactly the same.

I met Ted when I was doing the Great Britain competition cos he was a judge, and then I think we just fell for each other straight away, like, we just seemed to have like a connection. And then afterward, we went to a party… the after-show party, and then we just got talking and that was it; we’ve just basically been together ever since. But I was still living in Liverpool back then and he was living in London, so then later I also moved to London and we just started spending more and more time together.
Q-4:What do you think it takes to make a healthy relationship?
Buying some sexy underwear. And then that’s just not for him, it’s for the girl as well. I always buy sexy underwear (giggles). Well, I like independence, I mean I like doing me own thing, and I think Ted likes the fact that, you know, he can go do his own thing then… we come home to each other and we trust each other. I’ve got my own place, but I spend a lot of time at Ted’s. Maybe like, when Ted goes away and plays football, I’ll probably go stay at me flat cos the house is too big for me to stay in by meself. I get scared.

http://uk.askmen.com/toys/interview_200/224_danielle_lloyd_interview.html

 

[Sweaty Betty]

I think that is unnecessary and patronising

yes it is, much like being called perverse of mind for holding the same view....cant remeber who said that now

 

[rocketman]

i think the whole thing has gone fucking crazy i actually don't think it is as big a deal as it has been made to be... i don't think the bullying that has been going on in the big brother house is really any worse than what was going on with Sam in the 2006 bb and no one went fucking mental then

and i'd rather you didn't tell me what i do and don't understand and make assumptions about my level of complacency

OK. I won't make any assumptions that are entirely based on what you say here in future. I'll just attempt to engage with your arguments, when you have one.

It is a big deal? Why? Because it became one. Should it have? Well, it depends whether you feel racism and bullying on prime time TV are big issues or not. The fact it may have been seen in the past on the same show doesn't mean it's not important now, but does mean we failed to act at that time.

Gathering these events together - and proving a pattern that has preceeded the current show - is an argument for tighter regulation of this life-destroying TV format.

 

[rocketman]

I think that is unnecessary and patronising

Yeah, I do come across as patronising sometimes. It's the way I write. I talk differently. Maybe I fucking am guilty as charged, so sorry for that. The intention of this really is to say why I think it matters, why Channel 4 has failed in its duty, and what should be done to prevent this in future.

 

[rocketman]

The sad thing is that if they were to split up immediatiately after this show it would just compound the feeding frenzy in the press

Teddy has dumped Danielle. It is her fault. She wound Jade up with a snide whispering and bitching campaign, and it was Danielle's comments which were racist. Jade is 'just' a bully and an ignoramus.

Link

 

[Random One]

Gathering these events together - and proving a pattern that has preceeded the current show - is an argument for tighter regulation of this life-destroying TV format

ok maybe that is true

It is a big deal? Why? Because it became one

...and i think it is important to understand why it became one though...because if this was a normal BB i'm not sure (obviously i don't know) such a big deal would have been made...so do we/society only beleive celebs should be held accountable for their actions/words and not the 'ordinary' people who have been on bb before and often acted just as ignorantly...this annoys me

i have a whole load of problems with what ive seen on CBB this year but it being shown was just not one of them, because sometimes i think it is necessary for things to be seen for a self-reflection/evaluation process to begin...although not sure that will happen properly

 

[rocketman]

and i think it is important to understand why it became one though...because if this was a normal BB i'm not sure (obviously i don't know) such a big deal would have been made...so do we/society only beleive celebs should be held accountable for their actions/words and not the 'ordinary' people who have been on bb before and often acted just as ignorantly...this annoys me

Yeah, the culture of celebrity is an odd one: the contrast in the house between two models of what celebrity can be is interesting. On the one hand you have the likes of Dirk, Germaine and Shilpa, who see their 'celebrity' as good reason to act with dignity, intelligence and respect - people who understand their dual role as humans first, and role models (of sorts) second. On the other side of the coin you have people with no understanding that they have a role beyond the human, (does this make sense?)

In a sense, anyone on TV has this dual role, celebs or not. I agree wholeheartedly (I hope I understand this correctly) that the other side of the media-driven reality vision is that celebs suddenly become more important than the rest of us; and think that's reprehensible in itself.

Clearly, whoever you are - whether you are on telly or not - it makes a huge difference if you act with dignity, intelligence and respect. If we all did this, or at least tried to, well - I'm sure that would make existence across the board a whole heap better.

i have a whole load of problems with what ive seen on CBB this year but it being shown was just not one of them, because sometimes i think it is necessary for things to be seen for a self-reflection/evaluation process to begin...although not sure that will happen properly

Yeah. While the crux of my argument is that these images shouldn't be shown, that doesn't mean I'm interested in some Stalinist approach to broadcasting either. If there is a problem, it really is that Channel 4 should have acted much, much earlier to nip it in the bud - we'd have seen what happened before it became a tragedy, and we would have seen Ch 4 act to stop it happening - the issue would never have exploded so much, and the show would still have shown something of reality.

Just saw Jade on BBLB. Now I think I've consistenly said her problem is being a bully, I feel she was manipulated by the far more racist Danielle. So on BBLB Jade's there being very penitent - and do you know what - I believe her. I can't help but see that she has a way forward to become a positive image for UK youth - in her position I'd take anger management counselling, I'd take any form of psych support to help deal with her 'issues', and stay out the limelight while doing it. Jade seemed to have grown a lot when she first entered the house; then she blew it. But imagine if this woman was able to admit her mistakes, act on them, grow, mature, and get a grip, that would be a very positive role model, well maybe.

Danielle however, I think she's a snake.

 

[Random One]

Yeah, the culture of celebrity is an odd one: the contrast in the house between two models of what celebrity can be is interesting. On the one hand you have the likes of Dirk, Germaine and Shilpa, who see their 'celebrity' as good reason to act with dignity, intelligence and respect - people who understand their dual role as humans first, and role models (of sorts) second. On the other side of the coin you have people with no understanding that they have a role beyond the human, (does this make sense?)

In a sense, anyone on TV has this dual role, celebs or not. I agree wholeheartedly (I hope I understand this correctly) that the other side of the media-driven reality vision is that celebs suddenly become more important than the rest of us; and think that's reprehensible in itself.

yes u have understood correctly look i think my way of putting what i said was a bit wrong-i think i just felt patronised (as orang utan said) by what u said that was all ....i find it very hard to express what i mean through my writing i'd much rather talk in person! (i mean it took me 20 mins to write out that last post so that i expressed what I meant properly!!!)

 

[Sweaty Betty]

yes u have understood correctly look i think my way of putting what i said was a bit wrong-i think i just felt patronised (as orang utan said) by what u said that was all ....i find it very hard to express what i mean through my writing i'd much rather talk in person! (i mean it took me 20 mins to write out that last post so that i expressed what I meant properly!!!)

Iam so the same as you

By the time i have constructed my essay, its already two pages ahead