Celebrity Big Brother 2007

[scifisam]

I don’t think that’s going to happen – the woman does just seem really stupid, instead of racist, and definitely not a fascist.

I think the only reason I’m sticking up for Jade a little here ‘coz it seems weird that she’s being single out as the face of racism in Britain today over the CBB stuff, while there’s been much less controversy over the lead dancer at the English National Ballet being a proud member of he BNP.

I don't think she's that bad either. A bully, yes, and a bully who used race as a weapon, but not an evil rashist.

However, I do think she might have got so used to the attention (understandably) that she could fall prey to far-right people, if they butter her up enough and paint it as defending British people against 'the PC brigade' rather than having a go at other cultures, and the rest of the media ignore her.

The ballet's just not as popular as, well, popular TV. However, I do know the story you're talking of, and I know there is a lot of protest against her being there. Tricky, that one; she's a member of the BNP, but has she doen anything overtly racist? Is being a member of the BNP enough? For me it would be, but then I'm not hiring and firing and subject to all the laws to do with that.

@exosculate - perhaps, but I don't think she'd get it if I asked if she knew an Orang-Utan at work.

 

[Sweaty Betty]

The News of the World headline is well out of order.

Oh shit, evn shilpa didnt want her to feel this much shit, thats why she fled to the toilet and got upset!!!!

FUCKING MEDIA

 

[scifisam]

The News of the World headline is well out of order.

What did they say?

I thought it meant - also - as in - in addition to the live internet feed.

Yeah, I guess it could be read either way. I just remember watching it live at the time, and it was a big deal that it was live rather than highlights.

 

[Sweaty Betty]

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/jade1.shtml

 

[Yossarian]

Tricky, that one; she's a member of the BNP, but has she doen anything overtly racist? Is being a member of the BNP enough? For me it would be, but then I'm not hiring and firing and subject to all the laws to do with

I’d say so – by belonging to them, you’d presumably be endorsing their policies, which include introducing a repatriation programme for ethnic minorities, which I think is just about as racist as you can get…


The News of the World headline is “Jade – I am a racist bully”, People’s got ‘The stink of hypocrisy” – something about her perfume being made in India, and the Mirror’s got “Jade is a racist bully”- by her gran!

 

[Ranu]

And Teddy has apparently dumped Danielle

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/jade_dani_ditched.shtml

 

[Guineveretoo]

I've just read that NOTW interview online (the one about Jade), and I may have to revise my opinion of Jade a little bit. I still she is a gross harpy who should never be seen on telly again etc. etc., but I now think she is much more perceptive than I had previously thought.

I still despise her, but I have a horrid feeling that she will succeed in salvaging her career, and make more millions on the back of being a reformed character, or something similar!

 

[Kid_Eternity]

And Teddy has apparently dumped Danielle

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/jade_dani_ditched.shtml

Hahah! I should have fucking laid money on this, said this the other night to a few people. Heh, that guy has his head screwed on right. I reckon Danielle will suffer more in the long run than Jade over this.

 

[Ranu]

I've just read that NOTW interview online (the one about Jade), and I may have to revise my opinion of Jade a little bit. I still she is a gross harpy who should never be seen on telly again etc. etc., but I now think she is much more perceptive than I had previously thought.

I still despise her, but I have a horrid feeling that she will succeed in salvaging her career, and make more millions on the back of being a reformed character, or something similar!

Do you really think that was an interview rather than her PR people selecting what the public wants to hear?

 

[Kid_Eternity]

I still despise her, but I have a horrid feeling that she will succeed in salvaging her career, and make more millions on the back of being a reformed character, or something similar!

Yep I think so too, I reckon she'll do well and turn this around. After her pr agent is Max Clifford...

 

[Guineveretoo]

And Teddy has apparently dumped Danielle

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/jade_dani_ditched.shtml

Yeah, but that is an unsubstantiated story, rather than a direct quote. Who knows whether it is true.

It also misquotes Jo, who would almost certainly have meant that her family are proud of her for still being in the house, rather than that they are proud of her being a racist, which is what it says!

 

[Guineveretoo]

Do you really think that was an interview rather than her PR people selecting what the public wants to hear?

I think it was an interview, but that she had been coached by her PR people.

 

[Guineveretoo]

Yep I think so too, I reckon she'll do well and turn this around. After her pr agent is Max Clifford...

Is it? I didn't think it was. He has been slagging her off on the telly this week, so I assumed she had signed with someone else?

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Is it? I didn't think it was. He has been slagging her off on the telly this week, so I assumed she had signed with someone else?

I'm sure I saw this in the paper today that he's now her PR agent...could be wrong but am sure I did.

 

[Ranu]

I think it was an interview, but that she had been coached by her PR people.

So you've changed your opinion about Jade based on what her PR people have told her to say?

 

[Yossarian]

I reckon to keep this thing going, next week’s headlines will be “Scandal - Mixed-race woman bullied by the press”..

 

[ZAMB]

And Teddy has apparently dumped Danielle

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/jade_dani_ditched.shtml

I wasn't aware of this whole thing till Friday [I had to watch the BB that Jade was on originally, as I had a guest at the time who was addicted to it, and I never wanted to see the show again after that].

I had a look Friday night to see what all the fuss in the papers was about - and I wondered, listening to Danielle go on about Ted to Jade and Jo, whether Teddy Sheringham was happy having his private life discussed in such a programme, and what he'd think of the things she'd said.

If every night was like Friday, I can't imagine it having done anything for his public profile.

Has he really dumped her, though? I can't say I'd take anything written in the NOTW as gospel. I reckon he has been embarassed by the show though.

 

[Yossarian]

She's probably more Lee Bowyer's type anyway, racist twat that he is.

 

[madamv]

Jade seems to be selling Danielle up the river, if the NOTW comments are to be believed.

ALL THREE OF YOU MADE RACIST COMMENTS. DANIELLE SAID ABOUT SHILPA WHEN SHE HAD BLEACH ON HER FACE: "SHE WANTS TO BE WHITE" AND "SHE'S A DOG."

I wasn't there. I would have said: "You can't say that."

AFTER THE OXO CUBE ROW DANIELLE SAID: "THAT WAS F***ING FANTASTIC. I LOVED IT, I THINK SHE SHOULD F*** OFF HOME"—A BLATANTLY RACIST COMMENT.

Yes it is, but that didn't come from me.

and this....

HAVE YOU HAD ANY CONTROL OVER THIS INTERVIEW?

None whatsoever. I want to face the toughest questions possible. Everyone knows the News of the World is a tough paper and won't shirk from asking what people want to know

O rly?

 

[Guineveretoo]

So you've changed your opinion about Jade based on what her PR people have told her to say?

I certainly haven't changed my opinion of Jade, but I may have changed my opinion as to whether or not the Great British Public will continue to fall for her!

 

[Orang Utan]

Maybe she knows orang utan.

I don't work on BB and I don't know anyone at Endemol. Just to make things clear.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Jade's NOTW Videos
NOTW Video interviews....uncomfortable viewing.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Did anyone watch Back to Reality?...I never knew it existed...
Ch4 and Endemol are clearly the chief manipulators and have expolited her emotional immaturity. It's a shame that she doesn't have anyone in her life to protect her from this...the money obviously hasn't/doesn't.

 

[wishface]

My opinion of the whole situation is that the makers and producers are the most culpable and they should be very seriously held to account for using racism and fostering - maybe even manufacturing the situation - to gain ratings, all the while manipulating 3 very stupid and ignorant girls (and tbh one 'outsider': Shilpa - who is foreign to this culture and this experience). IN so doing they have, thus far, hung Jade out to dry knowing she is too dim to understand what's happening.
I think what people who want to take action should do is keep complaining to Offcom. I doubt however C4 will suffer because of this in the long run, unfortuantely.

 

[Orang Utan]

My opinion of the whole situation is that the makers and producers are the most culpable and they should be very seriously held to account for using racism and fostering - maybe even manufacturing the situation - to gain ratings, all the while manipulating 3 very stupid and ignorant girls (and tbh one 'outsider': Shilpa - who is foreign to this culture and this experience). IN so doing they have, thus far, hung Jade out to dry knowing she is too dim to understand what's happening.
I think what people who want to take action should do is keep complaining to Offcom. I doubt however C4 will suffer because of this in the long run, unfortuantely.

Maybe they will - they're cap in hand to Offcom about their funding at the mo and this storm is not good timing

 

[Agent Sparrow]

Did anyone watch Back to Reality?...I never knew it existed...

Grrrrr, Crispy has done something to the speakers and I've got no sound on that.

This comment from below though confused me...

i love how even the nutcase from wife swap looked a bit worried from jades behaviour!
Glad you put this up- I remember seeing this and saying what a bully she was like she was in bb3. Now because of cbb, people are remembering what a bully she was. I couldnt give a monkeys about whether she knows where east anglia is- I never bought into that whole, 'im well thick me' persona. Dont care about her intelligence-i just always thought of her as the bully she is

Hang on, wasn't she the one who was horribly bullied in BB3?

Tbh I think BB really needs to accept responsibility for setting up the houses like they are with the aim of bullying occuring. Perhaps bullying would always occur (and I think it has from BB2), though it seems to be getting worse, and when they admit that they're putting more and more pressures into the house it's essentially inviting it to happen. I'm more cynical about endemol's statements than Jade's apologies in NOTW tbh.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Grrrrr, Crispy has done something to the speakers and I've got no sound on that.

This comment from below though confused me...


Hang on, wasn't she the one who was horribly bullied in BB3?

Tbh I think BB really needs to accept responsibility for setting up the houses like they are with the aim of bullying occuring. Perhaps bullying would always occur (and I think it has from BB2), though it seems to be getting worse, and when they admit that they're putting more and more pressures into the house it's essentially inviting it to happen. I'm more cynical about endemol's statements than Jade's apologies in NOTW tbh.

 

[wishface]

Maybe they will - they're cap in hand to Offcom about their funding at the mo and this storm is not good timing

Ken L wants them off the air, for good. He mentions, and I didn't know this, that India is London's biggest investor, so I give his view here more credence than i would normally.

With regard to that BNP Ballet Bird, a discussion on 5Live about that with two reps from two diffrerent anti-fascism groups went IMO rather wierd. Everyone who rang up felt it was rather undemocratic that she should get heckled in performance to the point that the two anti-fascist peeps were kinda left high and dry. I woudl have felt they deserved a little more support given how the BNP are so insidious and so abhorrent. A little O/T but surely some heckling isn't the end of all democracy if it means ousting and outing these evil people?

What they make of CBB/Jade I don't know. If she is of mixed descent I suspect they could use it to further legitimise their views (as they did with that Sikh gentleman who unfortunately adorned their paraphenalia during election time).

 

[Louloubelle]

I've stopped watching this, 2 whole episodes was enough for me.

My thoughts about this now...

I think that the whole way that BB works is to deprive people of all the things that they need to think properly and then sit back and enjoy the resulting chaos.

In order to think and reflect we all need a minimum of some degree of personal space, occasional contact with friends and people who we feel we trust and can talk to and (very importantly) to feel that all our basic needs (food, safety, sleep) are going to be met.

Now it seems to me that Jade's bahaviour, and that of Jo and Danielle, are not unusual at all and that most people if not all of us are probably capable of bullying / racism / acting in a disrespectful way towards others / ganging up on others if we are not able to retain the capacity to think.

Just to clarify, by thinking, I mean the capacity to take a step outside of ourselves and to look at ourselves and our actions with some level of objectivity.

I really worry that Jade being a sacrificial pig in this somehow symbolises our collective abdication of our own responsibilities to try to stay conscious and to be aware of our own racism.

From reading the papers I get the impression that the public believe that by voting to evict Jade the british public have made a collective statement that a) Jade is racist and b) we are not racist.

It seems to me that Jade is a person of limited intelligence and capacity for thought, from a very difficult background who has reacted unsurprisingly given the situation she was in.

The surprising thing IMO is that everyone's acting so surprised that racism lurks beneath the surface of Jade, Jo and Danielle, personally I'd be surprised if there wasn't bullying and racist behaviour.

I'm NOT trying to excuse her behaviour (it was horrible to see) but to say that I feel uncomfotable about Jade being seen as the 'racist one' as if we are all let off the hook by pointing a finger at her and identifying her as racist.

Also, the word racism seems to have stopped having any meaning beyond "the worst thing you can accuse somebody of" and "something that I am definitely NOT". Both of these positions are not helpful as they generate defensive posturing that is another way to avoid thinking about racism, what it is, what it means etc.

Gotta go out now

just wanted to post up some thoughts really

 

[wishface]

Grrrrr, Crispy has done something to the speakers and I've got no sound on that.

This comment from below though confused me...


Hang on, wasn't she the one who was horribly bullied in BB3?

Tbh I think BB really needs to accept responsibility for setting up the houses like they are with the aim of bullying occuring. Perhaps bullying would always occur (and I think it has from BB2), though it seems to be getting worse, and when they admit that they're putting more and more pressures into the house it's essentially inviting it to happen. I'm more cynical about endemol's statements than Jade's apologies in NOTW tbh.

they should have not broadcast those comments where possible and if that wasn't they should have broadcast an unremitent apology. They shoudl also have taken the bullies aside at the time and given them a warning; had they persisted they should have been evicted. No need for the redtops to get their pound of flesh and no need for C4 to exploit racism and cultural mismatches for their own benefit. I've yet to see any of the producers/execs shoudler anywhere near as much responsibility as they seem to have forced upon Jade.