Celebrity Big Brother 2007

[Lisarocket]

From the Guardian today...

"In an intriguing twist, it emerged last night that Goody's mother Jackiey Budden, who called Shetty "the Indian" and refused to pronounce her name properly, is a practising Muslim who performed prayers while in the house. The prayers appear to have been cut from footage shown in the nightly TV updates.

Budden, who asked Shetty: "Do you live in a house or a shack ?" has observed Ramadan, the month of fasting, for nine years, according to Goody's agent and publicist John Noel Management."

http://media.guardian.co.uk/site/story/0,,1994828,00.html

WTF No one is going to believe that. John Noel is clutching at straws with that one...

I heard she was a rasta

 

[wishface]

In many ways, that's the bottom line.

I fear now they have gotten away with it.

They must have expected - even wanted this given they always intended to put Shilpa and Jade into that pressure cooker environment. It's designed to provoke arguments from even the most trivial things.

This just reveals how nasty the whole thing is; and as has been said before this isn't the first time racism has come up in that house.

But they'll probably find new sponsors in time for the main event this summer by which time everyone will have forgotten it all. Even now people are auditioning for their 15 minutes of exploitative fame.

 

[Treacle Toes]

WTF No one is going to believe that. John Noel is clutching at straws with that one...

I heard she was a rasta

Indeed......I wonder who they employ to pick up the straw off the floor...

 

[wishface]

From the Guardian today...

"In an intriguing twist, it emerged last night that Goody's mother Jackiey Budden, who called Shetty "the Indian" and refused to pronounce her name properly, is a practising Muslim who performed prayers while in the house. The prayers appear to have been cut from footage shown in the nightly TV updates.

Budden, who asked Shetty: "Do you live in a house or a shack ?" has observed Ramadan, the month of fasting, for nine years, according to Goody's agent and publicist John Noel Management."

http://media.guardian.co.uk/site/story/0,,1994828,00.html

WTF No one is going to believe that. John Noel is clutching at straws with that one...

I heard she was a rasta

So what? Does being a practising Muslim mean you can't be racist?

 

[wishface]

Agreed. If it was scripted it wasn't done very well.

It was a deliberate attempt to maker her a scapegoat (even though she has no small amount of culpability) on the part of C4 so they can wash their hands of it. Davina McCall's complicity in that just sickens me; she's such a waste of space.

 

[Lisarocket]

So what? Does being a practising Muslim mean you can't be racist?

No. But the point is that she's not a practicing muslim!!!

She's not been observing the diet or alcohol restrictions whereas Jermain on the other hand is obviously a muslim...

 

[Treacle Toes]

It was a deliberate attempt to maker her a scapegoat (even though she has no small amount of culpability) on the part of C4 so they can wash their hands of it. Davina McCall's complicity in that just sickens me; she's such a waste of space.

Davina will say she was just carrying out orders.

 

[Agent Sparrow]

Davina will say she was just carrying out orders.

And yet another opportunity of a BB thread to mention the Milgram experiments.

 

[rocketman]

So what? Does being a practising Muslim mean you can't be racist?

Oi! I know where you are going with that. Does asking stupid questions like that mean you don't have a hidden agenda?

 

[rocketman]

Here's interesting:
Intelligent comment on stupidity

 

[Treacle Toes]

Here's interesting:
Intelligent comment on stupidity

Great article.

 

[Lisarocket]

Looks like the girls are going for Dirk next

Last night they were talking about putting eggs and other things in his pockets 'for a laff' and today they are sitting bitching about him.

Leave our Dirk alone

 

[danny la rouge]

In the interests of fairness....Notice he says 'they' referred to her....so not JJ's views at all.

That's how I remembered it. It comes across, watching it again, like a gentle, considerate man trying hard to explain with understanding the behaviour of a chaotic woman (Jackiey) who hit the house like a bundle of battlefield nukes with faulty detonators.

He seems to be repeating someone else's phrase, and hesitates to use it. And when he does use it, he qualifies its use, then offers the Jerry Springer Show as an example. I dislike the phrase intensely (it is a class insult, and a nasty one). But I knew what he meant, and I suspect everyone else did: he was talking about people with no inhibitions, but with tons of baggage, and who don't seem to mind airing that baggage on national TV. The question being, is it responsible of the producers to let them. That's what he meant.

I mean, I liked her, as he seems to have done, but I wouldn't want to be locked up 24 hours a day with her. Would you?

 

[chazegee]

My problem is only/ will only be, with the subjective behaviour/action/expectation taken/made on the back of that presumption.

 

[Treacle Toes]

That's how I remembered it. It comes across, watching it again, like a gentle, considerate man trying hard to explain with understanding the behaviour of a chaotic woman (Jackiey) who hit the house like a bundle of battlefield nukes with faulty detonators.

He seems to be repeating someone else's phrase, and hesitates to use it. And when he does use it, he qualifies its use, then offers the Jerry Springer Show as an example. I dislike the phrase intensely (it is a class insult, and a nasty one). But I knew what he meant, and I suspect everyone else did: he was talking about people with no inhibitions, but with tons of baggage, and who don't seem to mind airing that baggage on national TV. The question being, is it responsible of the producers to let them. That's what he meant.

I mean, I liked her, as he seems to have done, but I wouldn't want to be locked up 24 hours a day with her. Would you?

Yes he was definately telling Shilpa what someone else had said....Wonder why CH4 didn't air that....

Overall JJ has impressed me, although I do feel he could have had his 'general' house speech with everyone sooner than he did. Jade in particular would have listened to him. From what I saw she obviously respected him.

As for spending time with Jackiey, on the strength of what i've seen, I would find it difficult. Not least because she seems to have exaggerated personality traits which make me feel uncomfortable and I would dislike in anyone. Her confrontational approach and unfeeling flippant comments would bring out the worst in me. That said, I am also aware that I don't really know her and I'm sure she has more to her. If I had lived her life would I be any different? I can hope so but that doesn't mean anything.

 

[exosculate]

Here's interesting:
Intelligent comment on stupidity

There is a vindictiveness in dumbing down. It aims to dethrone not only intelligence but the means by which we rate one thing above another. Dumbing down is an assault upon the very concept of value. Thus Jade, though she wouldn't know what I am talking about, is the child of that nihilism which gave us postmodernism and the Turner prize. A celebrity for being nobody, a belcher and a farter with her own perfume, she is an ironic reference to the unmeaningness of meaning.

This is pretty much what I was saying earlier in this thread, before the racism furore.

 

[rocketman]

This is pretty much what I was saying earlier in this thread, before the racism furore.

Yeah, it is hard to wield the arguments as articulate as that Indie piece when exploring the instant gratification and expression of thought that is a forum.

 

[treelover]

yes, that is my problem with the whole thing, racism, and yes it is abhorrent, is now the new original sin, we must confess, repent and be expunged of our sins.

unfortunately you cannot expunge such deep atavistic emotions, etc, it takes time, education, experience, contact, no quick fixes, the liberals never learn.

once it was marx, now its anti-racism....

The message does seem to be that it's absolutely fine to being a bullying bitch or bastard unless you make a statement which could be interpreted as racist, and then the United Nations practically get involved....

 

[rocketman]

yes, that is my problem with the whole thing, racism, and yes it is abhorrent, is now the new original sin, we must confess, repent and be expunged of our sins.

unfortunately you cannot expunge such deep atavistic emotions, etc, it takes time, education, experience, contact, no quick fixes, the liberals never learn.

once it was marx, now its anti-racism....

You really hate liberals, don't you? So, hating liberals doesn't make you an instant republican, but tell me - what's better than a grass-roots decision made individually by millions of people that bullying and racism are wrong? It's got nothing to do with the word of law, and is better than any campaign, and has more resonance than any political solution. The decision has been reached by the mass, but like every communist (not saying you are a communist) you prefer to reject the public's decision because it wasn't reached by committee. Tough. The decision has been made, the public leapfrogged any political campaign, and made it all by themselves.

If you truly welcomed working class mass movement and political consciousness, you'd be welcoming this,.

I can only presume you're just another kind of elitist, just as bad as the 'liberals' you constantly condemn.

 

[chazegee]

what's better than a grass-roots decision made individually by millions of people that bullying and racism are wrong?

Interesting, I've been seeing BB as education on modern attitudes for those that perhaps don't read the Guardian.

<Patronising arse mode off/>

 

[Guineveretoo]

well 18% of people voted against Shilpa for whatever reason - that could be one of them.

Is it possible that people voted for Shilpa to be evicted, not because they are racist and thought the bullying was acceptable, but because they wanted Jade to be given the chance to redeem herself, and were happy to see a rich, successful, cultured etc. etc. woman leave instead?

I mean, if Shilpa were to have been evicted, she would have been feted by the media and by politicians, and she has certainly raised her profile in this country. If she is looking to make contacts in the British and American film industry, she has certainly got her face known. Presumably, she will have a visa which allows her to stay her for several more weeks, so she could use that time to promote herself in the wake of Big Brother. If she wins it, she will be stuck doing stuff for Channel 4 as the winner?

Just a thought

 

[Guineveretoo]

sorry danny but what racism exactly is jo guilty of she is certainly complicit in the bullying with out doubt (although as i have previously said she seems so mentally fucked up and depressed anyways that she is prolly in fear of beign bullied herself however this isn't an excuse) danelle is a nasty piece of work who will no doubt get her come uppence next week... in front of a live audence too which might be no bad thing as she needs to be confronted with her arrogant ways and abhorent viewpoint.

I agree that Danielly is particularly nasty - I watched her being coldly manipulative and lying about things that had been said, both by herself and by Shilpa, and watching with great glee whilst Jade got wound up. I think she is the cleverest of the 3 harpies.

I also saw Jo making several racist remarks, though, admittedly having been fed them by Danielle, but she still made them. I don't think her laughing at the row between Jade and Shilpa was overtly racist, but it was very nasty indeed.

 

[exosculate]

OK, well moving forward.

Bullying Jade could lead to endemol exploiting Indian market

As for Endemol, the programme's producers, Mr Wootton agrees with the TV producer who sent me the e-mail: "Call me cynical, but I think they must be loving this because it draws attention to them as a major producer and I understand that Big Brother isn't in India at the moment.

"What a fantastic export market. Even though there are pictures of people burning effigies and stuff - what a launch pad to move into one of the biggest emerging markets in the world."

 

[Treacle Toes]

OK, well moving forward.

Bullying Jade could lead to endemol exploiting Indian market

As for Endemol, the programme's producers, Mr Wootton agrees with the TV producer who sent me the e-mail: "Call me cynical, but I think they must be loving this because it draws attention to them as a major producer and I understand that Big Brother isn't in India at the moment.

"What a fantastic export market. Even though there are pictures of people burning effigies and stuff - what a launch pad to move into one of the biggest emerging markets in the world."

Only a matter of time.....

 

[Random One]

OK, well moving forward.

Bullying Jade could lead to endemol exploiting Indian market

As for Endemol, the programme's producers, Mr Wootton agrees with the TV producer who sent me the e-mail: "Call me cynical, but I think they must be loving this because it draws attention to them as a major producer and I understand that Big Brother isn't in India at the moment.

"What a fantastic export market. Even though there are pictures of people burning effigies and stuff - what a launch pad to move into one of the biggest emerging markets in the world."

they don't have big brother but there is similar program called Big Boss which started about a month ago i think on the Indian channel Sony.

 

[Treacle Toes]

THE FORMAT:

The house:

Bigg Boss has built a basic and functional house at the outskirts of Mumbai where he will house 13 celebrities for 3 months. The house is large enough for 13 people, but small enough to ensure that they are always in each other’s space.

30 cameras will capture their every move to ensure that celebrities do not have any privacy [except in the bathrooms].

The house does not contain any tools of entertainment or means of communication with the outside word…

No television…No Radio…No Music player…No Books…No Internet…No phones…etc.

Celebrities cannot leave the house once the show starts… unless they are evicted through public vote.

Can you imagine being stuck inside a house for 3 months? How would you feel if your freedom was taken away? Read on for more…

Back to basics:

Each celebrity enters the house with 1 suitcase. They have to prioritize their needs and pack everything that they will need for 3 months. Once they enter the house, Bigg Boss will not allow anything from outside into the house without his permission.

The celebrities will have to cook, clean, sweep the floor, etc. without any help from maids, assistants, cooks, etc.

There is no make-up artist or stylist to help them look their best on television. They have to fend for themselves.

Can you imagine your celebrities without all the help that they take for granted? Think of all the fun while watching them do the household chores.

Bigg Boss’s power:

Bigg Boss will give the celebrities the weekly and daily tasks through which they will earn their weekly budget. The group will use the budget to buy food items to survive in the house.

The group can wager 25%-75% of their weekly budget with Bigg Boss depending on the difficulty of the task. If they are successful, Bigg Boss will increase their weekly budget and if they fail at the task, they will have to live like paupers.

Nomination and Eviction:

Nomination
Each housemate nominates 2 celebrities for eviction to Bigg Boss. [cannot nominate themselves].

Bigg Boss chooses 2 celebrities with the maximum number of nominations to be put up for public vote.

Voting lines open and the viewers vote to throw out the celebrity the hate the most from the Bigg Boss’s house.

Eviction
At the end of the week, the voting lines close.

The celebrity with the maximum votes is evicted from the Bigg Boss’s house.

So tune it to catch up with all the fun, excitement and thrill live on Bigg Boss

Mmmmmmmm the plot thickens....

 

[bellator]

Just heard on the news that a major Sunday newspaper has signed Jade up for a 6 figure sum.

 

[Ranu]

It wasn't exactly 'the news' was it? It was Nasty Nick saying what he heard from 'a source'.

 

[Guineveretoo]

Carole Malone said on BBBM last night that Jade had done a deal with one of the Sunday Papers (I think she even specified that it was the News of The World) and that she would probably use it to try and salvage her career. Ms Malone seemed to think that Jade would be able to salvage her career, in fact, which would be a shame, since she is a foulmouthed, talentless individual who, whilst not necessarily overtly or deliberately racist, should never be seen on telly again.

IMHO, of course.

 

[exosculate]

Mmmmmmmm the plot thickens....

That sounds like Big brother without having to buy the licence.