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Celebrity Big Brother 2007

exosculate said:
In that case - victims like you make me sick!

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Loki said:
So one of them was evicted. Interesting, but hopefully this puts an end to Big Brother dominating every fucking news broadcast.
Yes, no doubt we can go back to the story about someone nobody has ever heard of being arrested and released without charge by police investigating whether politicians are all corrupt liars or not...
 
danny la rouge said:
Yes, but it's a stereotype. We demand the right to be seen as not all great lovers! And some of us can't dance to save ourselves!

:mad:

Whoaaaaaaaaaaa nelly........don't get it twisted:p
P.s.....But can you make Hagis?
 
Rutita1 said:
...She looks mixed race...she looks like the child of a mixed race and white person...
"Race" isn't anything objective - it is a label people choose to put on others or themselves.

You look at pictures of her father and think "I am putting label X on him".

You look at pictures of her and think "I am putting label Y on her" (or maybe you just give her a label based on the label you have given to her father).

Neither of these makes her "mixed race" - or rather it does for *you*, in your labelling system.

I would guess that under the labelling system of most people in the UK she would be labelled as "white" - maybe some people would re-label her "mixed race" after seeing a picture of her father.

Surely this shows that the whole concept of race is bullshit? That there is no clear or objective dividing line or criteria that makes someone one so-called "race" or another - that in fact separate "races" don't even exist, that the whole thing is bollocks?
 
TeeJay said:
"Race" isn't anything objective - it is a label people choose to put on others or themselves.

You look at pictures of her father and think "I am putting label X on him".

You look at pictures of her and think "I am putting label Y on her" (or maybe you just give her a label based on the label you have given to her father).

Neither of these makes her "mixed race" - or rather it does for *you*, in your labelling system.

I would guess that under the labelling system of most people in the UK she would be labelled as "white" - maybe some people would re-label her "mixed race" after seeing a picture of her father.

Surely this shows that the whole concept of race is bullshit? That there is no clear or objective dividing line or criteria that makes someone one so-called "race" or another - that in fact separate "races" don't even exist, that the whole thing is bollocks?

Teejay...Point taken and I fully understand...'my labelling system' as you have called it was done purely on the physical and by no means attempts to define how 'mixed race' or 'whatever' someone is in terms of culture, identity and experience.......I'm the first person normally to shout, yeah but no but yeah but, we're all from the same race...was being descriptive based on physical attributes and features, nothing more...... Came about because someone questioned the fact that her father wasn't 'mixed race' in the popular sense of the the phrase.
 
danny la rouge said:
Yes, but it's a stereotype. We demand the right to be seen as not all great lovers! And some of us can't dance to save ourselves!

:mad:

I'm trying to set up a group.

It's called the Equi-phallic brotherhood.

I think its the only way forward.:oops:
 
Fidel said:
Brasil Big Brother 7 is in its seconed week here, and I saw a little last night, so different from the UK BB - here they have a big house, big garden and pool, full on gym with top machines, famous musicians visiting the house and doing private shows then staying for dinner and a hot tub session afterwards. Most of the contestants have already paired off and are 'dating' already.
This sounds so much better than the UK version.

I think the UK version has a strong element of people wanting to see their celebrities being brought down low and humilated to some extent - the same thing with "I'm a celebrity get me out of here":

People know that celebrities are rich and often pampered, treated like VIPs etc, in their normal lives (or at least think they are) and while being on BB can make minor celebs more famous (typically giving an otherwise washed-up career a new burst) the UK public want them to pay for this by having to go through hell. Even for non-celeb contestants, the public want to exact a price for giving them even a bit of fame - the people who "win" (and get the most time in the limelight) have to "pay" for it by being confined to the house for the longest.

Maybe in Brazil the attraction is seeing people living a fantasy lifestyle maybe because luxuries are what people lack and aspire to? In the UK people have now-banal 'luxury' at home - often in atomised single-person households. Maybe what people here lack is drama, larger households, gossip and a sense of 'justice' seeing the otherwise rich and famous suffering?
 
Rutita1 said:
Fair enough...but really? I'm not claiming to be all knowing and all seeing...I can see it in jade why? perhaps having relatives with the same mix etc etc...being mixed myself etc etc... nothing presumptious there...sometimes I can't tell, but with Jade I can see it. She looks mixed race...she looks like the child of a mixed race and white person...so what. It hasn't hurt her...I personally think she is a very beautiful young woman.
i just hoenstly cannot say ...

people have said to me before oh you don't look arab you look scottish/irish... to which i have always replied some times with great vitrol oh really and what do you thik an arab should look like... i really think it's dogey gorund to start saying well you look like this so x compartmentaliseation is what they look like.

I reckon i have met enough people who look different enough and similar enough to not be capable of saying with any certainty oh you look x tbh it generally doesn't register, there was a thread recent about people sayign so where oyu really from i can't say that conitiation ever occurs to me when i meet people, have had it happen a few times, but can't see it in others...
 
danny la rouge said:
Garf's Scotch mist quip was clearly a slur on my culture! :mad:



;) :p
i think i see the problem you are assuming here that you have culture... how long have you been having delusions of grandure :p:D
 
GarfieldLeChat said:
i just hoenstly cannot say ...



I reckon i have met enough people who look different enough and similar enough to not be capable of saying with any certainty
Point taken amd concede again that I don't have some kind of 'gift' that determines the international 'bloodline' of anyone. I'm often asked if I'm Brazilian. No, i'm not. But I do understand why they presume that.
 
Bizarre claim on the live show now - Jo says she was offered Karen Carpenter's last song to perform as a duet with Richard Carpenter, but she 'didn't have the drive' so she turned it down.
 
Ranu said:
Bizarre claim on the live show now - Jo says she was offered Karen Carpenter's last song to perform as a duet with Richard Carpenter, but she 'didn't have the drive' so she turned it down.



'Why do birds suddenly appear....'
 
Ranu said:
Bizarre claim on the live show now - Jo says she was offered Karen Carpenter's last song to perform as a duet with Richard Carpenter, but she 'didn't have the drive' so she turned it down.
Have a feeling Karen Carpenter had a bit too much pink chicken :(
 
Rutita1 said:
Point taken amd concede again that I don't have some kind of 'gift' that determines the international 'bloodline' of anyone. I'm often asked if I'm Brazilian. No, i'm not. But I do understand why they presume that.
personally i just get annoyed with the presumption tbh...

in order to fit in to a perception i must be classified in x way... that's racism as well to my mind maybe not the firebomb through your letterbox type racism but the that type or person brigns down the tone of the neighbourhood type racism
 
4thwrite said:
Have a feeling Karen Carpenter had a bit too much pink chicken :(

Would it be wrong of me to point out that she had an eating disorder?...anorexia if I'm not mistaken. She didnt' like to eat very much at all.
 
Ranu said:
Bizarre claim on the live show now - Jo says she was offered Karen Carpenter's last song to perform as a duet with Richard Carpenter, but she 'didn't have the drive' so she turned it down.
what i think is sadder is that she thinks so little of herself that she didn't take up the offer... her confession that she's losing her house... that's quite indicative of the music business uses you and spits you out thing she's feelling too...
 
Rutita1 said:
Would it be wrong of me to point out that she had an eating disorder?...anorexia if I'm not mistaken. She didnt' like to eat very much at all.
erm i though she was addicted to laxatives rather than not eatting... after soem one intrestingly considering soe of the comments recently called here richard carpenters chubby little sister i beleive...
 
GarfieldLeChat said:
personally i just get annoyed with the presumption tbh...

in order to fit in to a perception i must be classified in x way... that's racism as well to my mind maybe not the firebomb through your letterbox type racism but the that type or person brigns down the tone of the neighbourhood type racism

The presumption doesn't annoy me, I understand it and accept that it happens, afterall I do it myself, quite innocently, without malicious intent etc.. My problem is only/ will only be, with the subjective behaviour/action/expectation taken/made on the back of that presumption.
 
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