Celebrity Big Brother 2007

[tangerinedream]

No. But are you seriously advocating that such persons should be protected, via state censorship, from exposure to Ms Goody?


Misdirection? What d'you mean?

You are guiding the argument away from the ideas that broadcasters have a duty to have an 'artistic'* integrity and consider the efficacy and of the programmes beyond and above the desire to pull in as many viewers as possible, thus maximising advertising revenue - Especially one of the 5 terrestrial channels.

That is whole different argument than advocating state censorship.

 

[rocketman]

No. But are you seriously advocating that such persons should be protected, via state censorship, from exposure to Ms Goody?

No. I am saying that Channel 4/Endemol have failed to apply their own stated house rules consistently. Those rules say there shall be no bullying or racism in the house. We have all seen racism and bullying in the house. A Channel 4 statement last week used as the crux of its argument the fact that Shilpa had made no complaint regarding racism. She had made no complaint because she was/is not in full possession of the facts. As such Channel 4s argument holds no water.

What this means is that Channel 4/Endemol have failed to uphold their responsibility as broadcasters, cynically exploiting racism and bullying to beef up ratings.

This means their right to broadcast needs to be questioned.

It's not about censorship. It's about responsibility.

 

[exosculate]

Late to this thread and haven’t watched any of CelebBig Shat 3000 this year (or last year – tis BANNED in our house ) but (and Agent Sparrow beat me to it) the Gordon Brown thing really is priceless and EXACTLY like the Thick of It. The fact that he got it wrong ffs and said ‘a vote for Shilpa is a vote for Britain and a vote for British tolerance.’ Oh my word! I could hear the screams of whoever New Labour’s latest ‘Malcolm’ is from here when that clanger was pointed out to Gordon H.E. Brownose Sun-Readers on his hols in India.

*apologies if this has all been said, i skim read just a couple of pages of this thread, its late but had to put my two penneth in as i been stewing about it last week when the Brown statement came out!)*

That was yesterdays news, keep up.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

That Cleo is a right prick...

 

[exosculate]

That Cleo is a right prick...

I think she is proving that old adage ........hell hath no fury etc etc and so forth

Having said that Dirk, is far too NRA for my liking. But he shouldn't be ganged up on.

 

[Random One]

That Cleo is a right prick...

she has become quite annoying over the last week.

it's quite good to turn over to the live feed and see them celebs actually doing a task! it seems this CBB has been lacking in fun taskery

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Having said that Dirk, is far too NRA for my liking. But he shouldn't be ganged up on.

Agreed on both points.

 

[Lisarocket]

I think she is proving that old adage ........hell hath no fury etc etc and so forth

Having said that Dirk, is far too NRA for my liking. But he shouldn't be ganged up on.

Dirk is a bit NRA, but i like him and think he's a good housemate. Over on DS there's a really funny thread for all Dirks one liners. We don't really get to see a lot of his personality on the highlghts show.

I really don't like the way the coven is bitching about Dirk. Shilpa was attempting to tell them why Dirks diet is important to him- because he had cancer and Jo said 'so what'

Then Jo was joking that he couldn't get it up because he's had cancer. That's just nasty

 

[Griff]

. Shilpa was attempting to tell them why Dirks diet is important to him- because he had cancer and Jo said 'so what'

Then Jo was joking that he couldn't get it up because he's had cancer. That's just nasty

That's nice.

 

[exosculate]

Dirk is a bit NRA, but i like him and think he's a good housemate. Over on DS there's a really funny thread for all Dirks one liners. We don't really get to see a lot of his personality on the highlghts show.

I really don't like the way the coven is bitching about Dirk. Shilpa was attempting to tell them why Dirks diet is important to him- because he had cancer and Jo said 'so what'

Then Jo was joking that he couldn't get it up because he's had cancer. That's just nasty

Don't get me wrong I still think he can be amusing, but I don't want him to win.

Jo is very nasty, as is Danielle. Cleo is catching up a bit with them too.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Jo is very nasty, as is Danielle. Cleo is catching up a bit with them too.

Yep.

 

[dolly's gal]

Then Jo was joking that he couldn't get it up because he's had cancer. That's just nasty

didn't she actually say it wasn't a reason for him to hate all women?

the cancer combined with his wife leaving him, that is...

 

[Random One]

jo and danielle are nasty....

...i don't think i want any of them to win any more

jo and danielle-nasty
cleo-annoying and doesn't know when to stop
shilpa-too whiney
dirk-switches to easily
ian and jack-meh
jermaine-still kinda cool but nothing majorly exciting about him

 

[Random One]

didn't she actually say it wasn't a reason for him to hate all women?

the cancer combined with his wife leaving him, that is...

i think it was just his wife leaving him that she made that comment about

 

[Griff]

I dislike Jo the most, her chain-smoking and Romford accent really grates, and she's showing herself to be be a right nasty little bitch.

 

[Lisarocket]

didn't she actually say it wasn't a reason for him to hate all women?

the cancer combined with his wife leaving him, that is...

Don't think so. Might have been said about his wife leaving him. But she's got a cheek really. I feel that she hates a lot of men.

Anyhoo. He seems ok about his wife leaving. He's said as much to Shilpa and it was a while ago now. I read in an interview with him that she just didn't like living in Montana, prefering to go back to LA. Left him with the kids, which he also doesn't seem to mind. I think hes written a few things about being a single parent.

 

[dolly's gal]

it was disgusting the way he came and felt shilpa while she was sitting on the floor in yesterday's episode.

i would have punched him

 

[tekla]

It's not a question of state interference, it a question of the integrity and commitment of channel four to relevent and inventive television.

Given the searching and volatile international debate provoked by the programme C4 has done a good job, producing television which is highly 'relevant' and uniquely 'inventive.' So if those words really are contained in their charter and/or contract with the private production company, that’s an argument for C4 funding more BB series even better to fulfil its function.

But talk of C4 or the private company breaking charters, house rules etc is just another form of censorship. Rather than come straight out and demand state censorship of BB, a mealy-mouthed argument occurs about the small-print and whether alleged breaches of clause 5.2(b)(i) justifies censorship.

If the C4 charter or house rules or contractual arrangements or any other regulatory document have been breached that’s an argument for amending the document to remove the breach. Not censoring the show to enforce some bureaucrat’s wet dream.

Besides, the BB house rules

http://www.channel4.com/entertainment/tv/microsites/B/bb6/footer/rules.html

contain nothing about racism or bullying. The only vaguely related rule is the instruction that participants avoid assaulting each other, to which Jade, surprisingly, managed to adhere.

 

[tekla]

Those rules say there shall be no bullying or racism in the house.

No they don't.

 

[rocketman]

No they don't.

Your link refers to the rules for BB6. An older edition,
they also say

14) THE MOST IMPORTANT RULE OF ALL: Big Brother reserves the right to change the rules at any time.

EDITED TO ADD: The absence of such rules doesn't make Ch4/Endemol any more right, in fact it makes them more wrong. We'll clearly have to look at Channel 4's broadcastng charter, and the laws governing broadcastng in the UK in order to assess if the rules have been kept to - except we don't have to, as the Commission for Racial Equality ahs already filed a complaint.

As per a censored media - I'd rather a censored media I didn't trust than a privatised media cynically making money from other people's misery (that I also can't trust). Fact is, I think the BBC have it about right. Take the commerce out of broadcasting, I say, then we may get some decent TV shows.

 

[exosculate]

Given the searching and volatile international debate provoked by the programme C4 has done a good job, producing television which is highly 'relevant' and uniquely 'inventive.' So if those words really are contained in their charter and/or contract with the private production company, that’s an argument for C4 funding more BB series even better to fulfil its function.

But talk of C4 or the private company breaking charters, house rules etc is just another form of censorship. Rather than come straight out and demand state censorship of BB, a mealy-mouthed argument occurs about the small-print and whether alleged breaches of clause 5.2(b)(i) justifies censorship.

If the C4 charter or house rules or contractual arrangements or any other regulatory document have been breached that’s an argument for amending the document to remove the breach. Not censoring the show to enforce some bureaucrat’s wet dream.

Besides, the BB house rules

http://www.channel4.com/entertainment/tv/microsites/B/bb6/footer/rules.html

contain nothing about racism or bullying. The only vaguely related rule is the instruction that participants avoid assaulting each other, to which Jade, surprisingly, managed to adhere.

Do you work for BB?

 

[Structaural]

Don't get me wrong I still think he can be amusing, but I don't want him to win.

Jo is very nasty, as is Danielle. Cleo is catching up a bit with them too.

Jo's the ringleader of that group, she's like the more intelligent bully who has bigger/prettier more stupid girl's to do her dirty work. Until Jade said Shilpa Poppadom she'd been the racist one ('Indian's don't cook their food properly, that's why they're ill), the stirrer ('that woman's really jarring me'), she puts words into Danielle's mouth and her body language towards Shilpa speaks volumes; spitting her tongue out (when Shilpa said 'making love' instead of 'sex'). She's always making faces at Danielle and previously at Jade to slant their opinions. She's very bitter about something, Shilpa's success and beauty maybe?
Wind 'em up and let 'em go - a true bully, hiding in the background pushing buttons. My missus hates her, she was bullied when she changed schools and the school bully was just like her - with a big, less intelligent, girl to do the punching. That dressing gown must stink.

 

[Lisarocket]

it was disgusting the way he came and felt shilpa while she was sitting on the floor in yesterday's episode.

i would have punched him

Didnt she ask if she could smell him and that's why he went over. He then only touched the bottom of her back. There's been bits of casual flirting between them for ages now. If she had minded she would have told him.

 

[exosculate]

jo and danielle are nasty....

...i don't think i want any of them to win any more

jo and danielle-nasty
cleo-annoying and doesn't know when to stop
shilpa-too whiney
dirk-switches to easily
ian and jack-meh
jermaine-still kinda cool but nothing majorly exciting about him

I think I would prefer Jermaine to win at this point.

 

[Lisarocket]

Do you work for BB?

10 posts and they all seem to be about BB....

Hmmmm...

 

[Sweaty Betty]

Jo's the ringleader of that group, she's like the more intelligent bully who has bigger/prettier more stupid girl's to do her dirty work. Until Jade said Shilpa Poppadom she'd been the racist one ('Indian's don't cook their food properly, that's why they're ill), the stirrer ('that woman's really jarring me'), she puts words into Danielle's mouth and her body language towards Shilpa speaks volumes; spitting her tongue out (when Shilpa said 'making love' instead of 'sex'). She's always making faces at Danielle and previously at Jade to slant their opinions. She's very bitter about something, Shilpa's success and beauty maybe?
Wind 'em up and let 'em go - a true bully, hiding in the background pushing buttons. My missus hates her, she was bullied when she changed schools and the school bully was just like her - with a big, less intelligent, girl to do the punching. That dressing gown must stink.

Jo was the only one who could sing in S-Club really, but the rest of the girls had the edge on her in the style and looks dept..

When they spilt up...that air head one had a few No1's....jo with the voice...her first single was a flop!!!........

Id say that was pretty telling.....

 

[exosculate]

Jo's the ringleader of that group, she's like the more intelligent bully who has bigger/prettier more stupid girl's to do her dirty work. Until Jade said Shilpa Poppadom she'd been the racist one ('Indian's don't cook their food properly, that's why they're ill), the stirrer ('that woman's really jarring me'), she puts words into Danielle's mouth and her body language towards Shilpa speaks volumes; spitting her tongue out (when Shilpa said 'making love' instead of 'sex'). She's always making faces at Danielle and previously at Jade to slant their opinions. She's very bitter about something, Shilpa's success and beauty maybe?
Wind 'em up and let 'em go - a true bully, hiding in the background pushing buttons. My missus hates her, she was bullied when she changed schools and the school bully was just like her - with a big, less intelligent, girl to do the punching. That dressing gown must stink.

Yep - Jo is thoroughly unpleasant. She does seem to have a bitter streak running through her for some reason.

 

[exosculate]

10 posts and they all seem to be about BB....

Hmmmm...

Thats what i was thinking.

 

[Lisarocket]

I think I would prefer Jermaine to win at this point.

He's been a very good housemate. He's supported Shilpa and tried to tell the coven when they have gone too far. Yes he's quiet, but they all respect him and go to him for advice.

He's also got excellent taste in knitwear

 

[dolly's gal]

Didnt she ask if she could smell him and that's why he went over. He then only touched the bottom of her back. There's been bits of casual flirting between them for ages now. If she had minded she would have told him.

i think he's gross.

as i said if he'd done that to me, i would have gone mad.