Celebrity Big Brother 2007

[tekla]

Your link refers to the rules for BB6.

Can you quote or link to the current rules, containing (according to you) a no racism/bullying clause?

they also say

14) THE MOST IMPORTANT RULE OF ALL: Big Brother reserves the right to change the rules at any time.

Sure. But did they shift the goalposts, i.e. implement that rule, insert a no racism/bullying clause and then inform contestants of the revised disciplinary regime? If they didn't then the presence of the rule (in the context of this argument) is irrelevant.

 

[exosculate]

i think he's gross.

as i said if he'd done that to me, i would have gone mad.

He wouldn't make your fav urb list if he posted on here then?

 

[exosculate]

Can you quote or link to the current rules, containing (according to you) a no racism/bullying clause?


Sure. But did they shift the goalposts, i.e. implement that rule, insert a no racism/bullying clause and then inform contestants of the revised disciplinary regime? If they didn't then the presence of the rule (in the context of this argument) is irrelevant.

Did you just side step my question?

 

[tekla]

Do you work for BB?

LOL. No. But I'm interested in how this pans out. Maybe Jade will top herself. The editor of The Sun, with Shilpa on his arm (wearing a sexy little black number) can attend her funeral.

I imagine the whole of Bermondsey turning out, just like the Krays. And the dear old Queen Mum.

 

[rocketman]

Can you quote or link to the current rules, containing (according to you) a no racism/bullying clause?


Sure. But did they shift the goalposts, i.e. implement that rule, insert a no racism/bullying clause and then inform contestants of the revised disciplinary regime? If they didn't then the presence of the rule (in the context of this argument) is irrelevant.

Can't find current rules, as pointed out by other posters here, I'm certain you are aware of where these rules actually are.

Found this one though:
Voluntary/Involuntary Departure
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Big Brother may ask a housemate to leave the House if they behave inappropriately, for example, if they engage in violent or abusive behaviour, or damage the House or its contents.

Abusive behaviour, in my book, includes Jade's rant at Shilpa over Oxo cubes and Danielles "back to the country" statement.

I say again, Ch4/Endemol have not acted responsibly, and - even though I like Channel 4 - I am one of many voices demanding Ch4/Endemol account for their actions, and if unable to provide adequate account, lose their broadcasting license.

 

[tekla]

Did you just side step my question?

No! I was googling 'candle in the wind'.

 

[dolly's gal]

He wouldn't make your fav urb list if he posted on here then?

i'd akin him to my least fav poster on here actually. naming no names like, but the similarities are quite uncanny!

 

[exosculate]

i'd akin him to my least fav poster on here actually. naming no names like, but the similarities are quite uncanny!

Intriguing!

 

[tekla]

Big Brother may ask a housemate to leave the House if they behave inappropriately, for example, if they engage in violent or abusive behaviour, or damage the House or its contents.

But that's just an argument to change that silly rule. I'd argue that BB is inherently 'abusive' - that's the whole point. It abuses everyone except those who make money from it. Therefore every episode should be banned under that rule. It won't be of course. The silly rule's a sham.

Consenting adults in a free society have a right, often backed by law, to abuse themselves and other consenting adults.

 

[exosculate]

No! I was googling 'candle in the wind'.

So you're David Furnish then, with a BB obsession?

 

[rocketman]

Consenting adults in a free society have a right, often backed by law, to abuse themselves and other consenting adults.

But not racially. Also no one has the right to physically abuse - or seem to threaten to abuse - another, Jade's Oxo row was threatening behaviour.

I believe there are laws regarding racism and laws regarding threatening behaviour, so are you actually saying the rules of the BB house outweigh the law of the land?

 

[Yossarian]

'Threatening behaviour?' It was just a little bit of a one-sided shouting match, the kind of thing that's I'm sure has been seen many times in every previous Big Brother series - and most other reality shows.

Do you think Paxman should be disciplined for bullying behaviour as well?

 

[tangerinedream]

But that's just an argument to change that silly rule. I'd argue that BB is inherently 'abusive' - that's the whole point. It abuses everyone except those who make money from it. Therefore every episode should be banned under that rule. It won't be of course. The silly rule's a sham.

Consenting adults in a free society have a right, often backed by law, to abuse themselves and other consenting adults.

You like a number of people on here, seem to confuse 'a right' with 'what is right'

Given the number of things that are enshrined in law, such as the gov'ts 'right' to wage war for economic gain or a businessman's 'right' to unfairly exploit the work of others I am often suprised how much faith people seem to have in what is law and what isn't.

I do not understand your argument at all 'we have a right to watch big brother' - I think you are confusing our right to watch big brother with endemol/C4's 'right' to exploit manufactured aggression and intimidatory behaviour in the name of profits.

I tell you what, I'll sell tickets for my new show, entitled 'secret camera footage of racist kids at the school I work at abusing solitary minorities that I filmed, rather than intervene, cos it would make me a mint' - You want one?

I'll then say 'it's ok, I provoked a debate'...

The out from this situation for C4/Endemol is to say, 'ok, we went to far, we're cancelling it anyway because we've thought about it and the format is geting tired, contrived and there isn't really anywhere to go with it'

What do you think?

What about my earlier question - where next for BB?

 

[Kid_Eternity]

jo and danielle are nasty....

...i don't think i want any of them to win any more

jo and danielle-nasty
cleo-annoying and doesn't know when to stop
shilpa-too whiney
dirk-switches to easily
ian and jack-meh
jermaine-still kinda cool but nothing majorly exciting about him

Spot on assessment!

 

[Pieface]

i think he's gross.

as i said if he'd done that to me, i would have gone mad.

me too.

We shall see.....

And I think I know who you mean. Part "Hemingway", part toddler.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

LOL. No. But I'm interested in how this pans out. Maybe Jade will top herself. The editor of The Sun, with Shilpa on his arm (wearing a sexy little black number) can attend her funeral.

I imagine the whole of Bermondsey turning out, just like the Krays. And the dear old Queen Mum.

definatley a her if we are tlaking aboutthe editor of the sun although a very aggressive her...

 

[exosculate]

me too.

We shall see.....

And I think I know who you mean. Part "Hemingway", part toddler.

How comes everyone else knows what everyone else means around here - cept me.

 

[tekla]

so are you actually saying the rules of the BB house outweigh the law of the land?

No. If genuine racial abuse had occurred in the BB house rozzers would have arrived to finger collars. If genuine racial abuse occurred and the cops chose not to make arrests that's a matter for the Police Complaints Authority and other agencies: the relevant Chief Constable should be asked to explain why he took no action.

But the answer’s obvious: no arrestable racial abuse occurred. If the three girlies had said what they said in an employment situation they might well have been fired and Shilpa compensated by an employment tribunal. But that's civil law and it's reasonable to expect not to suffer racist bullying (as defined in the civil courts) at work.

But BB is designed to be an abusive environment. So all the legal and moral censorship/punishment arguments fall imv, so long as contestants and viewers are consenting adults.

 

[tekla]

'Threatening behaviour?' It was just a little bit of a one-sided shouting match, the kind of thing that's I'm sure has been seen many times in every previous Big Brother series - and most other reality shows.

Do you think Paxman should be disciplined for bullying behaviour as well?

Boohoo. I feel bullied by Yossarian. He reminded me of a shouting match I had fifteen years ago. Boohoo. Ban Yossarian! Ban shouting matches! Ban anyone mentioning that Yossarian was banned for mentioning a shouting match...

See the mess you get into when you start trying to ban consenting adults from offending each other in a free society?

 

[Pieface]

How comes everyone else knows what everyone else means around here - cept me.

I even know what you mean when you don't know it yourself

 

[exosculate]

I even know what you mean when you don't know it yourself

OK what number am i thinking of? Hey...eh....eh?

 

[Pieface]

You aren't thinking of a number at all - you're thinking about sex.

 

[exosculate]

You aren't thinking of a number at all - you're thinking about sex.

Me, never, we're not even married.

 

[Pieface]

I knew that

I'm voting you out the house!

 

[exosculate]

I knew that

I'm voting you out the house!

Jumps over fence shouting I'm not serving pies to you bunch of morons.

 

[Pieface]

no more pies













































and......back to the racism.....

 

[exosculate]

<sobs uncontrollably>I'm not even gonna try and defenderer myself, I acted like an envio in there. <sobs uncontrollably>

 

[wishface]

No. If genuine racial abuse had occurred in the BB house rozzers would have arrived to finger collars. If genuine racial abuse occurred and the cops chose not to make arrests that's a matter for the Police Complaints Authority and other agencies: the relevant Chief Constable should be asked to explain why he took no action.

But the answer’s obvious: no arrestable racial abuse occurred. If the three girlies had said what they said in an employment situation they might well have been fired and Shilpa compensated by an employment tribunal. But that's civil law and it's reasonable to expect not to suffer racist bullying (as defined in the civil courts) at work.

But BB is designed to be an abusive environment. So all the legal and moral censorship/punishment arguments fall imv, so long as contestants and viewers are consenting adults.

perhaps you could explain the difference between arrestable racism and celeb big brother racism.

If we applied your logic to the world, there would probably be no such thing as racism at all.

 

[PacificOcean]

Can anyone explain how the rest of it works?

I was told it ends this Sunday, but so far they have only evicted two people since it began. Is there more nominations or is it just a winner out of the lot of them on Sunday?

 

[tekla]

You like a number of people on here, seem to confuse 'a right' with 'what is right'

Given the number of things that are enshrined in law, such as the gov'ts 'right' to wage war for economic gain or a businessman's 'right' to unfairly exploit the work of others I am often suprised how much faith people seem to have in what is law and what isn't.

That's the British public's fault for failing to elect politicians pledged to change those laws. Sure, there's trouble with the House of Commons being unrepresentative but there are countless examples of public pressure causing unpopular laws to be changed should the voting population feels strongly enough.

I do not understand your argument at all 'we have a right to watch big brother' - I think you are confusing our right to watch big brother with endemol/C4's 'right' to exploit manufactured aggression and intimidatory behaviour in the name of profits.

No I’m not. I'm mounting a free speech defence of BB against those who wish to prevent me from choosing to watch it (or not).

I tell you what, I'll sell tickets for my new show, entitled 'secret camera footage of racist kids at the school I work at abusing solitary minorities that I filmed, rather than intervene, cos it would make me a mint' - You want one?

By all means do so. Send me a ticket. I'd then report you to the police, together with your production company. You're free to break the law should you wish.

I'll then say 'it's ok, I provoked a debate'...

You can sit in your prison cell and say what you want.

The out from this situation for C4/Endemol is to say, 'ok, we went to far, we're cancelling it anyway because we've thought about it and the format is geting tired, contrived and there isn't really anywhere to go with it'

What do you think?

I think that would be very silly of them. They shouldn't give in to pressure from latter-day Mary Whitehouses who believe they know best what consenting adults are permitted to view, and do, on the telly

What about my earlier question - where next for BB?

An Arab version of BB is planned. Sounds good. Baghdad's the obvious venue.