Cecil, famous Lion from Zimbabwe shot dead by Dentist from Minnesota for $55k

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And now for the vet of the year Texas vet fired after allegedly killing cat with arrow
(please no jokes about copy cat killings)

 

[trabuquera]

not just a grinning psycho but a poor punctuator. needs some texas style justice.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Botha was leading a group of hunters in western Zimbabwe on Friday afternoon when they stumbled upon a breeding herd of elephants in Hwange National Park, the Telegraph reported.

Startled, three elephant cows charged the group. Botha opened fire, according to News24, but a fourth elephant rammed him from the side, lifting him with her trunk. One of his fellow hunters then fired a shot. The elephant collapsed on top of Botha, killing him, News24 reported.

Veteran big game hunter dies after elephant, felled by gunfire, collapses on him

In a related story:

African Elephant Population Declines By 30 Percent

 

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Poetic justice or kharma; Whatever, shame.

 

[weltweit]

Wish there was a way to make this stop.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

It really is a sick mind that can take pleasure from that.

 

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I gather it was a perfectly legal killing. Not condoning it, but it was a wild animal that lived in the wild like a wild animal should.
It is one animal. Think of the awful life that millions of battery chickens have, or other similarly farmed animals.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I gather it was a perfectly legal killing. Not condoning it, but it was a wild animal that lived in the wild like a wild animal should.
It is one animal. Think of the awful life that millions of battery chickens have, or other similarly farmed animals.

I'm not fluffed about one animal, per se. I am concerned about the ongoing decline of a large number of species, african lions included:

While these magnificent beasts once roamed large tracts of Africa and beyond, populations have crashed dramatically to an estimated 450 000 in the 1940s and less than 20 000 animals today. Extensive trophy hunting, persecution in defense of life and livestock, prey base depletion, habitat loss and isolated breeding populations place increasingly downward pressure on populations.

10 African animals in rapid decline - Africa Geographic

We just shouldn't be allowing hunting of animals whose populations are in decline. If there were still 450,000 lions in Africa, I'd be ok with hunting, but there's no where near that number. Declining from 450,000 to 20,000 in less than a century is alarming.

 

[weltweit]

I gather it was a perfectly legal killing. Not condoning it, but it was a wild animal that lived in the wild like a wild animal should.
It is one animal.

Couldn't the hunter have used a camera rather than a rifle?
That way the lion could have been hunted hundreds of times rather than just the once.

A statement I have seen around:

Leave only footprints, take only photographs!

Think of the awful life that millions of battery chickens have, or other similarly farmed animals.

I don't know the answer, I do eat meat and wear leather and usually can't afford free range.

And worse it gets I have worked on a farm during the slaughter of the geese for xmas.

 

[tim]

Wish there was a way to make this stop.

Yes, I don't understand the mentality of Urbanites who post links to the Daily Mail.

 

[weltweit]

Yes, I don't understand the mentality of Urbanites who post links to the Daily Mail.

And your view on the substance of the thread?

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Yes, I don't understand the mentality of Urbanites who post links to the Daily Mail.

He's dead tim!

Cecil the lion’s son has ‘met the same fate’ — killed in a trophy hunt in Zimbabwe, reports say

 

[tim]

And your view on the substance of the thread?

Probably much the same as last time I ventured on it. I find this kind of of sentimentalisation of wildlife, giving silly names to lions silly.

I also assume that most modern "big game hunting" like modern day grouse shooting is in reality the harvesting of a protected and profitable population Gun happy wannabe adventurers get their trophy on the wall and lions get to survive and reproduce in the pseudo-wild, the latter is a good thing. Lion populations have fallen in substabtially, but there are still quite a lot of them, and unlike pandas, they seem quite good reproduction so they are not in danger of extinction. The reduction in the population is probably a good thing to for people who actually live in those areas. However, I assume that lion farming brings little to benefit most locals, which is a pity.

 

[weltweit]

And I wear leather shoes.

I looked after some free range chickens for a while, shutting them in at night against the fox, they knew when they could expect to be fed but they weren't the brightest animals. Mind you they had a whole lot better life than battery chickens. And they tasted better too!

I don't agree with cruelty to animals but I am not against humane farming.

 

[tim]

And I wear leather shoes.

I looked after some free range chickens for a while, shutting them in at night against the fox, they knew when they could expect to be fed but they weren't the brightest animals. Mind you they had a whole lot better life than battery chickens. And they tasted better too!

I don't agree with cruelty to animals but I am not against humane farming.

Lion farming is hopefully pretty humain

 

[weltweit]

I wonder about the economics of big game hunting. The dentist apparently paid $55k to shoot Cecil with a crossbow. So that was his earning capacity $55k and done. How much could they have charged a photographer to get up close and personal? and how many times could they have repeated that process over Cecil's lifetime? My bet is that the photography safaris would have earn't more.

 

[weltweit]

Probably much the same as last time I ventured on it. I find this kind of of sentimentalisation of wildlife, giving silly names to lions silly.

But if the people are familiar with the animals?

I also assume that most modern "big game hunting" like modern day grouse shooting is in reality the harvesting of a protected and profitable population Gun happy wannabe adventurers get their trophy on the wall and lions get to survive and reproduce in the pseudo-wild, the latter is a good thing. Lion populations have fallen in substabtially, but there are still quite a lot of them, and unlike pandas, they seem quite good reproduction so they are not in danger of extinction. The reduction in the population is probably a good thing to for people who actually live in those areas. However, I assume that lion farming brings little to benefit most locals, which is a pity.

Last time I looked there were farmers "growing" lions etc in pens and "hunters" could enter the pens and kill them, not much wild about it .. it sounded pretty awful ..

And we haven't touched on medicinal properties of Rhino and the value of Elephant Tusk in the Chinese market.

 

[twentythreedom]

I think we can all at least agree that the guy that got squashed by the elephant was a fucking cunt

 

[tim]

But if the people are familiar with the animals

Only fuck-wits get familiar with large voracious carnivores.

 

[tim]

Anyway, I've been never been a fan of ivory, but I would quite like one of those umbrella stands.

 

[weltweit]

I read an article recently that some group are trying to get the Lynx reintroduced into the UK. Apparently it poses no threat to humans but some farmers are not so sure about their livestock.

 

[mather]

It is one animal. Think of the awful life that millions of battery chickens have, or other similarly farmed animals.

As bad as that is, Chickens aren't facing extinction unlike big cats and Hippos, Rhinos and Elephants.

 

[twentythreedom]

I read an article recently that some group are trying to get the Lynx reintroduced into the UK. Apparently it poses no threat to humans but some farmers are not so sure about their livestock.

It does fucking stink tbf, not surprised animals hate it

 

[twentythreedom]

I've had a Paul McCartney and Michael Jackson earworm since I read tim's last post

 

[Yossarian]

Big-game hunting definitely is just a sport for sick rich idiots - here are the Trump brothers:

 

[tim]

Big-game hunting definitely is just a sport for sick rich idiots - here are the Trump brothers:
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So vulgar and casual at least George the V knew how to to do it properly

And while George's great-great-grabdsob has few qualms about slaughtering bad guys in Afghanistan and wildfowl in Norfolk, he has developed a media friendly soppiness when engaging with big beasts in Africa.

 

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As bad as that is, Chickens aren't facing extinction unlike big cats and Hippos, Rhinos and Elephants.

What is more important, the extinction of one animal or the welfare of ten of millions of other animals?
We, the human race are driving many other species to extinction in many different ways; chopping down rainforests, jungles, polluting seas with plastic, chopping down woodlands to build new houses and roads.
It depends on priorities I suppose.

 

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A blood sports channel, nice; Calls to boycott Arsenal after owner launches "sickening" hunting TV channel

 

[alan_]

So vulgar and casual at least George the V knew how to to do it properly

And while George's great-great-grabdsob has few qualms about slaughtering bad guys in Afghanistan and wildfowl in Norfolk, he has developed a media friendly soppiness when engaging with big beasts in Africa.

1...Howzat
2...Up the elephants

 

[NoXion]

What is more important, the extinction of one animal or the welfare of ten of millions of other animals?
We, the human race are driving many other species to extinction in many different ways; chopping down rainforests, jungles, polluting seas with plastic, chopping down woodlands to build new houses and roads.
It depends on priorities I suppose.

Extinction is worse as far as I am concerned. Reason being that once a species is extinct, and if nobody has got around to sequencing their genome, which at this point is the vast majority of them, that species is gone for good. Even before extinction happens, if a species' numbers are reduced badly enough, that can create a genetic bottleneck which can negatively impact the health of individual critters and in extreme cases can lead to extinction anyway since there might not be enough individuals left to prevent inbreeding.