Cecil, famous Lion from Zimbabwe shot dead by Dentist from Minnesota for $55k

[Pickman's model]

As bad as that is, Chickens aren't facing extinction unlike big cats and Hippos, Rhinos and Elephants.

imagine if humans were bred for food by some other species and confined in cages for their short, miserable life. maybe humans wouldn't be on the verge of extinction but i don't suppose that would be any comfort to the men and women in cages.

 

[Idaho]

imagine if humans were bred for food by some other species and confined in cages for their short, miserable life. maybe humans wouldn't be on the verge of extinction but i don't suppose that would be any comfort to the men and women in cages.

Natural selection only favours survival, not happiness.

 

[Pickman's model]

Natural selection only favours survival, not happiness.

yeh natural selection did wonders for the dodo and carrier pigeon

 

[Idaho]

I can't begin to understand the thinking behind that comment.

Are you cross with natural selection?

 

[NoXion]

I can't begin to understand the thinking behind that comment.

Are you cross with natural selection?

I think his point was that those extinctions weren't due to natural selection.

 

[Celyn]

yeh natural selection did wonders for the dodo and carrier pigeon

Passenger pigeon?

 

[Pickman's model]

Passenger pigeon?

yeh the lazy one

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I think his point was that those extinctions weren't due to natural selection.

Only if you don't count the actions of humans as part of natural selection. I can't think of a good reason not to include human action alongside the actions of all other species in the process. We exert a frighteningly powerful selection pressure on all kinds of species. The way elephants are losing their tusks, as a pretty horrible for instance.

 

[weltweit]

 

[krtek a houby]

Look how happy she is. Ugh.

 

[Pickman's model]

I can't think of a good reason

Yeh. Thought that might be the case

 

[Pickman's model]

Cecil the lion suffered '10 hours of incredible cruelty' before death, new book claims

 

[8ball]

Cecil the lion suffered '10 hours of incredible cruelty' before death, new book claims

 

[editor]

Charges dropped against Cecil the lion hunter

Fucking wanker.

 

[StoneRoad]

I can, sort of, understand hunting for food.
There is also the problem of wildlife coming into conflict with human expansion, dealing with that is one thing when it is farmers own food, but I don't like lethal methods on expanses of "mono-cultured cash crops" - there must be non-lethal methods, especially for larger / rarer animals.
This even applies to the use of frequent doses of pesticides.
But modern day sport and trophy hunting (especially the captive bred stuff) really, really annoys me.
It also makes it harder to deal with poachers supplying the ivory and (Chinese) "traditional medicine" markets.

 

[8ball]

But modern day sport and trophy hunting (especially the captive bred stuff) really, really annoys me.

I don't have problems with someone who hunts a rabbit for the table. Taking a large, rare predator animal for macho lulz is abhorrent.

 

[weltweit]

I agree 8ball - I think Africa has to make photo tours pay their way so there is a motive to keep the wild animals hale & hearty.

Take only photos, leave only foot prints!

 

[8ball]

I agree 8ball - I think Africa has to make photo tours pay their way so there is a motive to keep the wild animals hale & hearty.

Take only photos, leave only foot prints!

I think hunting also works on the 'hale and hearty' front (the hunters generally don't want to be hunting a weak or sick animal).
The morality of it is the problem for me.

 

[weltweit]

According to twitter, there is just one Northern White Rhino surviving and he is sick and probably dying. Because of poaching, just as bad as trophy hunting. A sad state of affairs.

 

[likesfish]

my battalion blew away some sort of elderly jaguar or something because it was eating villagers goats in Belize although a claymore mine and nearly a thousand rounds of ammo were excessive.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

my battalion blew away some sort of elderly jaguar or something because it was eating villagers goats in Belize although a claymore mine and nearly a thousand rounds of ammo were excessive.

 

[likesfish]

Yeah the CO had some fantasy of getting a rug for his office.

Might have happened if the regiment had recruited from more rural areas and had some poachers etc with in the ranks being mostly suburban types who’d never hunted anything. Nobody fancied coming face to face with sheer Kahn’s lazy South American cousin.

So an elderly goat was brought claymore mine 700 ball bearings with a pound of explosive behind them was set up next to goat and section hid up trees big cat jumped on goat and got blown to smithereens while being riddled with bullets think they found part of an ear.

 

[kabbes]

Yeah the CO had some fantasy of getting a rug for his office.

Might have happened if the regiment had recruited from more rural areas and had some poachers etc with in the ranks being mostly suburban types who’d never hunted anything. Nobody fancied coming face to face with sheer Kahn’s lazy South American cousin.

So an elderly goat was brought claymore mine 700 ball bearings with a pound of explosive behind them was set up next to goat and section hid up trees big cat jumped on goat and got blown to smithereens while being riddled with bullets think they found part of an ear.

It’s disturbing that you think blowing up an animal is funny.

 

[likesfish]

It's not killing the animal that's funny it was a pest and probably dangerous predators that hang around villagers tend to be old or injured and look for easy prey tethered goats old people small children etc so it had to be culled. Belizian villagers can't afford to lose goats they are really poor.

It was my battalions complete inability to do pest control one hunter on bullet could have done the Job.
Failing that infantry section set up an ambush lure enemy into ambush then use aggression and firepower to destroy the enemy as trained.

 

[8ball]

It’s disturbing that you think blowing up an animal is funny.

Tbf over a thousand rounds and a claymore to deal with a single pest control issue is quite funny.

Bit of a case of "if all you've got is a REALLY big hammer...".

 

[krtek a houby]

It's not killing the animal that's funny it was a pest and probably dangerous predators that hang around villagers tend to be old or injured and look for easy prey tethered goats old people small children etc so it had to be culled. Belizian villagers can't afford to lose goats they are really poor.

It was my battalions complete inability to do pest control one hunter on bullet could have done the Job.
Failing that infantry section set up an ambush lure enemy into ambush then use aggression and firepower to destroy the enemy as trained.

Liked because of genuine reason for taking out wild animal. Would rather this resort than scumbag trophy hunters.

 

[8ball]

Would have been so much cheaper to hire a tracker, but less of a story.

 

[krtek a houby]

Would have been so much cheaper to hire a tracker, but less of a story.

For the villagers, likesfish, the lion or the dentist?

 

[8ball]

For the villagers, likesfish, the lion or the dentist?

For the UK taxpayer.

 

[krtek a houby]

For the UK taxpayer.

That didn't occur to me, fair point