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Cardiff City 2010-2011 season

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Threshers_Flail said:
Agree with everything there pauld. Promotion wouldn't be guaranteed with anyone at the helm, but Jones surely isn't up to the job. Yes he's got us to Wembley 3 times, yes he's done good for what he's had to work and put up with, but we need somebody different.
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Not being funny here, but you are Cardiff. An FA Cup final defeat, and end-of-season chokes / unlucky defeats in playoff finals that deny you promotion to the top flight, cannot possibly be major problems in any real sense of the word - given the clubs recent history. Jones is your best manager in absolutely ages and you would be mugs to get rid of him.
 
agricola said:
Not being funny here, but you are Cardiff. An FA Cup final defeat, and end-of-season chokes / unlucky defeats in playoff finals that deny you promotion to the top flight, cannot possibly be major problems in any real sense of the word - given the clubs recent history. Jones is your best manager in absolutely ages and you would be mugs to get rid of him.
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Of course they're major problems. Cardiff must've had one of, if not the highest wage bill this season, and for that we finish fourth, we've underachieved big time. Thanks to Jones we've come from a top half team to a top 6 team, which is brilliant but we can't just give him another season for what he's achieved in the past. Drawing on our past, we have never been as close to Div 1 since the early 70's, we need to take this opportunity now. Jones may get us top 6 next season but he wont get us up.

What we're forgetting here is that the fans, right or wrong, want him out. I know its for the best that the decision isn't in our hands, but if we start next season with Jones in charge the fans wont give him a chance. You can't mount a promotion challenge with the fans giving the manager jip every chance they'd get, he'd be out by christmas if that happens.
 
editor said:
That's a really weird thing to say seeing as we came as close as you could possibly get by reaching the play off final, and if Norwich and Reading hadn't come on like a ruddy sex machine on fire this season, we could have been promoted this year.
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Could have, and of course should have, but collapsed again in totally predictable circumstances.

Can't believe that anyone who witnessed up close and personal that team of hollow men trudging off the pitch on Tuesday could be questioning the need to turf DJ out.

The man has proven himself incapable of motivating the team in the most critical challenges.

Add to that the public rubbishing of one our brightest young talents, the failure to blood young players, his stubborn refusal to drop favourites after consistently bad performances, the failure to adapt and change games through tactical reshuffles or substitutions, the blinkered inability to ever take the responsibility for anything which goes wrong (and I mean EVER),the war with the local media, the constant mithering about fans' expectations in "this part of the world", and you have to wonder where he can go from here.

And I haven't even mentioned the waste-of-space pie-gorging players who flaunted their boozy indiscipline on the eve of one of the biggest games of the season. Where's the respect for the manager?

Can you imagine what Warnock or Lambert would have done with our team - we would have pissed the league.

You didn't say how many more seasons you'd give him btw...
 
Threshers_Flail said:
He can fuck right off. How has he got the brass to talk of, 'our club', the scheming twat. There's no way any manager would like to work with him, he doesn't know shit. I'd rather we go into admin than let him anywhere near our club, we were lucky to get rid last time, can't let it happpen again.
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If there is any truth in this (rather than shit-stirring from the sidelines) then it's time the Trust started mobilising - got to keep this blood-sucking parasite away from the club...
 
Maybe this is where the fault really lies:
Ex-Wales manager Terry Yorath says that Dave Jones should remain Cardiff boss.

There have been calls for Jones to be replaced after Cardiff failed to gain promotion to the Premier League.

But Yorath says the five players who went out socialising 48 hours before their 3-0 home loss to Middlesbrough should shoulder some of the blame.

"Which professional player in his right mind, with a chance of getting into the Premier League, goes out drinking two days before a game?" Yorath said.

"Dave [Jones] can't be looking after them all the time, he can't be with them all the time and that's up to their own responsibility.

"Those players that went out should take the full blast from the supporters...

"I think Dave has done an absolutely fantastic job considering the turnover of the board and the administration problems," added Yorath, speaking to BBC Radio Wales' The Back Page programme.

"I don't think anybody could have done a better job than Dave has done.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/13484962.stm
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pauld said:
If there is any truth in this (rather than shit-stirring from the sidelines) then it's time the Trust started mobilising - got to keep this blood-sucking parasite away from the club...
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Annis will be fire bombing ya house if you come out with anymore talk like that, which is why the trust wont do a thing, cos Annis' cronies are involved!
 
If Swansea get promotion to the Premier league, then Cardiff's crowds and support in the next ten years or so could be impacted, floating footie fans in South Wales will obviously watch the Swans if they are in the Premier league as opposed to the Bluebirds, if the Swans survive in the Premier league for 3 or 4 years and Cardiff stay in the championship but are not in the promotion hunt due to rebuilding {new manager, new players, who knows}, then this is going to impact on both clubs crowds, with fathers taking young children to the Liberty to watch Man U, Arsenal or Liverpool etc, those children in some cases will get the bug and their affinity will be to the Swans and not the Bluebirds as they grow up.
The impact on Cardiff staying in the Championship and the Swans getting to the promised land could be bad for Cardiff in the long run {next decade}, this is dependant on the Swans going up and staying up for 3 years {I would stay} and the Bluebirds staying in the championship without really competing.

Rugby in South Wales might also suffer as some sports fans may choose to spend their disposable income on Premier league footie and not rugby.
 
trampie said:
If Swansea get promotion to the Premier league, then Cardiff's crowds and support in the next ten years or so could be impacted, floating footie fans in South Wales will obviously watch the Swans if they are in the Premier league as opposed to the Bluebirds, if the Swans survive in the Premier league for 3 or 4 years and Cardiff stay in the championship but are not in the promotion hunt due to rebuilding {new manager, new players, who knows}, then this is going to impact on both clubs crowds, with fathers taking young children to the Liberty to watch Man U, Arsenal or Liverpool etc, those children in some cases will get the bug and their affinity will be to the Swans and not the Bluebirds as they grow up.
The impact on Cardiff staying in the Championship and the Swans getting to the promised land could be bad for Cardiff in the long run {next decade}, this is dependant on the Swans going up and staying up for 3 years {I would stay} and the Bluebirds staying in the championship without really competing.

Rugby in South Wales might also suffer as some sports fans may choose to spend their disposable income on Premier league footie and not rugby.
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The Liberty's capacity is only 20,000.

Swans in the prem is hardly going to impact anything is it.
 
Swansea being the Premier team in Wales {Premier team in Wales,get it} then its not going to do Cardiff any good, there could be a lot of youngsters getting Swansea tops for Christmas in the next few years if things pan out.
 
trampie said:
If Swansea get promotion to the Premier league, then Cardiff's crowds and support in the next ten years or so could be impacted, floating footie fans in South Wales will obviously watch the Swans if they are in the Premier league as opposed to the Bluebirds, if the Swans survive in the Premier league for 3 or 4 years and Cardiff stay in the championship but are not in the promotion hunt due to rebuilding {new manager, new players, who knows}, then this is going to impact on both clubs crowds, with fathers taking young children to the Liberty to watch Man U, Arsenal or Liverpool etc, those children in some cases will get the bug and their affinity will be to the Swans and not the Bluebirds as they grow up.
The impact on Cardiff staying in the Championship and the Swans getting to the promised land could be bad for Cardiff in the long run {next decade}, this is dependant on the Swans going up and staying up for 3 years {I would stay} and the Bluebirds staying in the championship without really competing.

Rugby in South Wales might also suffer as some sports fans may choose to spend their disposable income on Premier league footie.
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Realise this is a monstrous fishing expedition, but have to bite...

That notion is quite funny really. Good to see you're planning your long-term future in the Premiership before you've even sold out your allocation (if that ever happens).

We don't really have floating footie fans - we have Cardiff City fans, who would rather watch their team play in the Poundstretcher Sunday League than watch the Jacks play anyone!

The scenes outside the Liberty today suggest that it's the Swansea fans who are the floating glory hunters:

Average crowds this season:
Cardiff City: 23,193
Swansea City: 15,507

Come back and have a pop when you've sold out your stadium.

And keep singing the rugby songs - looks great on the telly ;)

Ps You've not been promoted yet, which Reading may have something to say about.

See you next season :)
 
More DJ-damaging soundbites in the local rag from Gabor Gyepes:

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/footba...-t-play-for-dave-jones-again-91466-28738606/?

Gabor would have been well-advised to keep his comments to himself until the manager's position had been resolved, but as with the shocking treatment of Adam Matthews, this underlines Jones' problems with man-management - publically slaughtering certain individuals whilst the favourite untouchables coast through weeks of clangers, bad form and under-achievement without being dropped seems to be the way he does things...
 
Threshers_Flail said:
Jay Bothroyd and Chris Burke are off then.

http://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10335~2365162,00.html
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Lots of changes:

Contracts have not been offered to Jay Bothroyd and Chris Burke following an inability for all parties to agree suitable new terms during the 2010/11 season.

Adam Matthews leaves the club having agreed terms with Celtic during the 2010/11 season. Gavin Rae and Martin John have been released and are free to secure new contracts elsewhere.

Emerging players Jonathan Meades and Jordan Santiago have been offered new professional contracts. From the Academy ranks Ibrahim Farah, Nathaniel Jarvis and Alex Evans have all been offered senior terms with the club. Sameth Al-Basith and Steffan Jones have been released.

On loan players Craig Bellamy, Jason Brown, Stephen Bywater, Jay Emmanuel-Thomas, Jason Koumas, Seyi Olofinjana and Jlloyd Samuel are to return to their parent clubs, while Anthony Gerrard, Solomon Taiwo and Aaron Wildig are to return to Cardiff City.
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Placid Casual27 said:
Could Man City let us have him back again or does this mean he is gone?
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He has one year left on his contract I think. I'm guessing Man City don't give a shit about a transfer fee.

They wouldn't want him to play in the premier either for them or any other premiership team. So hopefully we'll do another deal. He said he wants to stay.
 
I'm a Swansea sympathiser myself, but I think trampie's got it all wrong that there'll be many floating fans in S Wales at all who'd defect from Cardiff, even if Swansea do go up and stay there -- each scenario under a fair bit of doubt right now. As Monday's final is going to be rougher than tough -- Reading are no mugs as Cardiff found themselves. As for next season, that's strictly post-Bank Holiday talk in Swansea's case.

Anyway -- just wanted to say that I really do have some understanding/sympathy for what Cardiff people must be going through.

What with my real team being Oxford and having missed out on lower league playoffs several times in recent years before finally getting back into the League last year I've done the pain thing myself.

Cardiff had a good season overall and at times played pretty well -- Swansea were made to look pretty crap by them (crapper than normal ;) ) at the Liberty.

Buckling at the last minute two seasons in a row must be pretty hard to stomach when the team have played so well in so many games.

I'm one of those weird neutrals who's OK(ish) with both Welsh teams doing well -- not many around here, and I don't expect for a minute for any Cardiff or Swansea fans to feel similar!! Obviously I'm glad right right now that Swansea are aiming high, but I'm sure Cardiff will rebuild next season.
 
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