Cardiff 3: Five retired cops arrested

[binka]

If they've tried Stephen Lawrence's killers more than once, can these bent fuckers not be sent back to the dock?

lawyer for the three men fitted up is on c4 news and seems to think this may be possible

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Fill me in sorry, I heard on the BBC that some paperwork, thought to be destroyed, has turned up again. Was the lack of this paperwork a reason why the original trial collapsed?

 

[Col_Buendia]

Yes - the original trial against the 8 coppers who were accused of perverting the course of justice.

Old story here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-15981541

 

[Riklet]

There's hope (read: a dungeon) for them yet....

 

[Giles]

Presumably since they got rid of the "double jeopardy" rule, then they can be retried?

If its OK for the blokes who stabbed Stephen Lawrence to be tried again when new evidence emerges, then surely it must be OK for this lot?

Or is their some special exception for former police?

Giles..

 

[Wilf]

Fill me in sorry, I heard on the BBC that some paperwork, thought to be destroyed, has turned up again. Was the lack of this paperwork a reason why the original trial collapsed?

Forgive my naivety on this, but what's going on here? Yes, I (obviously) get the original 'loss of the paperwork' thing - business as usual when it comes to finding an out for bent coppers. But what's the re-appearances all about? Some sort of whistle blower putting the documents back into the hands of investigators - or something more complex?

 

[Giles]

Maybe the documents really were lost.

You'd think if someone took them to make sure that the dodgy cops got off, they would just have destroyed them?

Giles..

 

[Wilf]

Maybe the documents really were lost.

You'd think if someone took them to make sure that the dodgy cops got off, they would just have destroyed them?

Giles..

Yeah, probably. It's just on the ch4 news last night it was reported as the docs turned up in the box they were supposed to have been in originally. Suggests they were deliberately taken away from the investigators - but then returned. Can't get me head round the 'returned' bit.

 

[Quartz]

If one has to choose between cock-up and conspiracy, err on the side of cock-up. That said, I hope there's now a trial.

 

[Col_Buendia]

If one has to choose between cock-up and conspiracy, err on the side of cock-up. That said, I hope there's now a trial.

Err, surely not? Let's put it into the context of the original case - South Wales Police procured one of the most egregious miscarriages of justice in British history, and to date have got away with it. Not even an apology has been offered.The only people convicted in a court regarding this have been the three civilian "witnesses" who even the judge accepted had been pressurised into perjuring themselves by the police. Against a backdrop like that, how can it be a surprise to anyone that South Wales Police "lose" the paperwork that makes the trial of the (allegedly) bent coppers collapse.

The only curious aspect to the whole thing is that the papers reappeared. No cock up, simple, flagrant, in-our-face flaunting of their corruption and contempt for the rule of the law that they're supposed to uphold.

 

[Col_Buendia]

And don't get me started on personal experiences of witnessing friends walk out of court free after facing trumped up charges from SWP, when the very cops take turns to stand up in court and openly contradict each other. Bloody liars, and bad ones at that, the lot of them.

 

[ddraig]

*applause
YOU knows it!

 

[Belushi]

These threads aren't nearly so much fun without detectiveboy insisting that this could never happen nowadays, that it is just a few bad apples and eventually losing his rag and accusing everyone of being cunts.

 

[frogwoman]

Stop swearing at me, you cunt

 

[Belushi]

<loses temper and shoves frogwoman down the stairs for doubting liberal copper credentials>

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

If one has to choose between cock-up and conspiracy, err on the side of cock-up. That said, I hope there's now a trial.

That's what THEY want you to think

Seriously though "in the same box they should have been in all along" sounds very fishy. Unless it was a fucking big box with secret compartments and stuff.

 

[Quartz]

Err, surely not?

I said 'err on', not that it was a cock-up. Besides, there will now be an investigation and the truth will out.

 

[Col_Buendia]

I said 'err on', not that it was a cock-up. Besides, there will now be an investigation and the truth will out.

That, I'm assuming, is a degree of irony excessive even by the standards of these here boards.

I mean, you *are* being ironic, aren't you?

 

[Puddy_Tat]

<loses temper and shoves frogwoman down the stairs for doubting liberal copper credentials>

<finds belushi not guilty on grounds of self defence>

 

[Col_Buendia]

These threads aren't nearly so much fun without detectiveboy insisting that this could never happen nowadays, that it is just a few bad apples and eventually losing his rag and accusing everyone of being cunts.

I've been absent for a while, what happened to detectiveboy? Not that I'm missing him or anything, I'm sure he's found a lovely home on the Gadget blog...

 

[Quartz]

That, I'm assuming, is a degree of irony excessive even by the standards of these here boards.

I mean, you *are* being ironic, aren't you?

I couldn't possibly comment.

 

[ddraig]

wtf!

retrial unlikely
"the evidence favours the defence not the prosecution"

"My understanding is the evidence which has been discovered... favoured not the prosecution, but favoured the defence and therefore it doesn't satisfy the criteria."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-16757255
with video

 

[spliff]

Stop swearing at me, you cunt

Drama Queen

 

[Col_Buendia]

Yep, Walesonline has an article today saying that the retrial law doesn't apply to the charges that the coppers were facing. The defence lawyer for the 3 men originally wrongly convicted says there is a "huge smell" over this - a "cover-up of a cover-up". I note as well that the eight freed cops don't even have the good taste to keep their filthy mouths shut in public - one of them has provided a quote for the article: "I always knew I was going to be acquitted"

Sadly, I think it looks like if they keep their heads down, this will just float off the radar, and once again the cops carry on unhindered by anything like having to take responsibility for their actions.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/cardif...questions-over-how-case-ended-91466-30214249/

 

[Puddy_Tat]

I've been absent for a while, what happened to detectiveboy?

I believe that the banhammer was deployed. I'm not sure if there was a specific incident that led to this.

 

[ddraig]

More murkiness
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-17185874

Ms Psaila said: "I felt bad about what was happening but at the end of the day, it was totally, how can I put it, out of my hands. There was nothing that I could do - nothing.
"This is the amount of pressure they was putting on people, we couldn't - you couldn't do anything."
Lord Carlile QC, who represented Leanne Vilday, has called for a public inquiry into the collapse of the corruption case.
He said: "I believe very strongly that the only way of laying this to rest in a constructive and positive way is by having a full inquiry, an uninhibited inquiry, into all aspects, so that the South Wales Police will be able to move on without this around their neck."

 

[butchersapron]

Here's a shock:

No Lynette White inquiry into South Wales police

Theresa May has rejected demands to investigate further what lay behind the collapse of the country's largest ever police corruption trials costing an estimated £30m.

Channel 4 News understands she has accepted the police force's arguments that such an inquiry would take years to complete, cost millions of pounds and would be of little benefit to the public.

Lawyers for the Cardiff Three, those wrongly prosecuted or convicted of the 1988 murder of Lynette White, who was working as a prostitute, are to challenge the decision in the high court in November.

 

[teqniq]

Quelle fucking surprise.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Establishment cunt in "looking after the establishment" non-shocker.

 

[DaveCinzano]

That missing evidence that was found after the acquittal of the coppers thing was just a case of human error, nothing to see here!

Trial of Cardiff Three police collapsed due to human error, inquiry finds