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DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
This is the so-called 'resto-mod' approach and is great except for the cost. The Singer 911 is probably the apogee of this form and costs about 300k.
mauvais
on reddit or something
In what way? Some of it, almost objectively yes, but in other areas modern cars have become numb, overly competent (yes this is a thing) or just simply compromised for whatever reason.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Modern cars are faster, more reliable, more comfortable, more reliable and safer.
"Overly competent"? No.
mauvais
on reddit or something
How much do you like driving?
For example. On a spec sheet, electronic steering (as opposed to hydraulic) is better in every way. More fuel efficient, more reliable. However the feedback can be horrible - a limp, detached and/or unpredictable response - and engineers have spent ages trying to recreate that of the older system.
Or take for example a modern Porsche or similar. There was a piece on PH recently bemoaning how the contemporary 911 can cope with everything you throw at it, thus making it more capable than its a driver and thus removing most of your meaningful interaction unless you push it to a ridiculous extreme. Good for safety, probably bad for the joy of driving.
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/features/the-problem-with-porsches-tell-me-im-wrong/32158
First world problems and all that, but newer isn't always better to everyone.
It can get very Pseuds Corner very quickly but personally I've spent considerable time and effort trying to learn how to drive properly and respond to the car's behaviour, and so I'd rather have a car that is flawed in a few ways but which I can have a communicative two way relationship with, than I would something technically better but in which I just have my input requests dispassionately serviced.
If the balance of that puts me in say an unreliable, unsafe 90s French hot hatch or something, despite any modern entry-spec Audi beating every paper figure, then I'd take the former.
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beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
I love driving and agree with you to an extent, except you just can't do it on a public road. Any sort of spirited driving is antisocial and dangerous.
So do it on a track. At which point you want the fastest, most competent car you can get.
So do it on a track. At which point you want the fastest, most competent car you can get.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
FWIW my favourite car is a Caterham 7. It's a good example of what I'm on about. While the essential design may be based on something from the 60's, the mechanicals are now up to date. The latest 620 version will beat a veyron round a lot of tracks 
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Reaching out
With regards to the drivin experience, technologly is certainly taking over. I certainly appreciate the difference between power assisted and non assisted steering and we are just a step away from self driving cars! Its a case of where do you draw the line.
Seeing about the Jags above, it was amusing to note that the million pound lightweight Jags would probably not get an invite to Goodwood, shame!
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/inside-jaguar-making-a-million-pound-car
Seeing about the Jags above, it was amusing to note that the million pound lightweight Jags would probably not get an invite to Goodwood, shame!
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/inside-jaguar-making-a-million-pound-car
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
I bought a 1979 TR7 this morning (I think Detectorists has had a subliminal effect on me). I couldn't believe how slow it was so I did a compression test as soon as I got it home but it's apparently healthy and this is as good as they get. I might do a 'Sprint' conversion with a 16V head. Why do I do these things? What's wrong with me?
mauvais
on reddit or something
You absolutely can do it on a public road, if you're careful to define what 'it' is. The IAM, the police and various others will teach you how to drive a car (or ride a bike) quickly but within the limits of vision, risk and grip, their priority being safety. In the right context, like a twisty B road, that's also likely to be inherently within the legal limit too, for what it's worth.
Then, in the right car, it's also an experience where you get that communication, and in the 'wrong' car, where you don't.
I'm not talking about catching oversteer moments or slides or anything, just the reward of feeling how the car is balanced, whether it's set up for bends properly using just the right amount of throttle, etcetera.
In a heavily computerised and very powerful car, the Nissan GTR springing to mind, you delegate a load of that authority, have a technical capability that will perform well almost regardless of what the numpty in the seat does, and have a level of performance that overwhelms that subtlety even if you did have access.
Then, in the right car, it's also an experience where you get that communication, and in the 'wrong' car, where you don't.
I'm not talking about catching oversteer moments or slides or anything, just the reward of feeling how the car is balanced, whether it's set up for bends properly using just the right amount of throttle, etcetera.
In a heavily computerised and very powerful car, the Nissan GTR springing to mind, you delegate a load of that authority, have a technical capability that will perform well almost regardless of what the numpty in the seat does, and have a level of performance that overwhelms that subtlety even if you did have access.
Sweet FA
✪ Three rounds Lord, in my .44 ✪
I've got to ask DownwardDog, what the fuck is it you actually do? Are you like Top Gun or something
(While you're here and totally off topic; if you were going to buy a mid-size commuter/mucking about bike, would you have an MT-09, a 690 Duke or something else?).
(While you're here and totally off topic; if you were going to buy a mid-size commuter/mucking about bike, would you have an MT-09, a 690 Duke or something else?).
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
I've got to ask DownwardDog, what the fuck is it you actually do? Are you like Top Gun or something
(While you're here and totally off topic; if you were going to buy a mid-size commuter/mucking about bike, would you have an MT-09, a 690 Duke or something else?).
I'm retired but buy, sell and modify cars and bikes to make a bit of cash and because I"m obsessed with them.
Of the three I'd have the MT-09, the KTM and the Duke are too delicate and too expensive to service and fix if you're putting a lot of miles on them. If I were motorbike commuting I'd probably get a Honda NC750S or X with the dual clutch transmission because of the push button gears and the "boot" for a helmet, etc.
High Voltage
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I've got to ask DownwardDog, what the fuck is it you actually do? Are you like Top Gun or something
So that's the "cover story" is it?
After your "lucrative flying career" came to an end
Gingerman
Is a great bunch of lads.....
http://www.questtv.co.uk/video/wheeler-dealers-9-fiat-dino-coupe-900/
They had an absolutely beautiful Fiat Dino Coupe 900 on Wheeler dealers last week on Quest.
They had an absolutely beautiful Fiat Dino Coupe 900 on Wheeler dealers last week on Quest.
dessiato
🇪🇸 my spirit is crying for leaving
Another car I've always wanted.http://www.questtv.co.uk/video/wheeler-dealers-9-fiat-dino-coupe-900/
They had an absolutely beautiful Fiat Dino Coupe 900 on Wheeler dealers last week on Quest.
Some car porn
I've a soft spot for the ol' Maxi. It's part of my childhood, since half the teachers at my primary school had them, not to mention various friends' parents. But is that dumpy shape and faintly sad face car porn? Nah.
Gingerman
Is a great bunch of lads.....
If only I had a few quid
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at least you got good tasteIf only I had a few quid
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
That's a heavily modded 2.5 911ST not a 911L. Those Minilite clones are so wrong on a 911.
Here's a Rauh Welt Begriff widebody 964 of the type detested by 911 purists.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
I'm not surprised: good ones are worth a fair bit these days. I think the DS is a gorgeous-looking car, and it was way ahead of its time when it came out. Mind you, I've a sneaking affection for its successor too, the big Citroen CX:
Citroens were great before they went all convenional and dull.
My dad had 3 CXs in a row. Lovely cars - smooth ride, plenty of room, and incredibly good on the motorway.
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what a fine looking example love these cars 60`s Classic i think its a 65 -66 model ?Here we are, your favourite car:
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Reaching out
On the box yesterday was super car, super build or similar. They looked at Pagani, particularly this. Whilst it could be seen as totally OTP, pretentious, etc. The stats and engineering that went into it was amazing. Even the genre hypercar, which they reckon was coined because of this is prententious, but there you go. Some motor.
