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Bye bye MEAT! How will the post-meat future look?

How reluctant are you to give up your meat habit?

  • I’m already veggie or vegan as any right thinking person should be!

    Votes: 49 25.0%

  • I can take it or leave it, I won’t miss meat

    Votes: 31 15.8%

  • I’d give up meat if I could think what else to cook, but I can’t

    Votes: 7 3.6%

  • I’m reluctant to change, but I accept the need

    Votes: 34 17.3%

  • It’s unimaginable that I won’t have meat in most / all meals - I’ll probably starve

    Votes: 8 4.1%

  • Fuck the planet, I’ll be eating meat till I die or the planet explodes

    Votes: 6 3.1%

  • Poll fail, answer below

    Votes: 15 7.7%

  • Don’t believe the hype - meat will be available forever, nothing much will change

    Votes: 46 23.5%
  • Total voters
    196
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littlebabyjesus said:
Like fuck he started reasonably.

His first words on the clip are 'we're vomiting'.

He continues: We don't like the smoke, the smell, the burning of the fossil fuel. We're trying to save the planet.

Self-righteous, self-important wanker.
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Don't BBQs use charcoal? Which isn't a fossil fuel. Could be gas powered I suppose. Definitely won't be coal or oil. :eek:
 
WouldBe said:
Don't BBQs use charcoal? Which isn't a fossil fuel. Could be gas powered I suppose. Definitely won't be coal or oil. :eek:
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Yes. It takes energy to make charcoal, but as long as you plant a tree in place of the one you chopped down, burning it is carbon-neutral.

Petty details. DON'T YOU WANT TO SAVE THE PLANET????
 
WouldBe said:
The energy comes from burning the wood to start with then you limit the air so it chars instead of fully burning.
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Ok fair enough. Just the energy transporting it then.

Tbh I thought he'd been posted up as an example of an absurd caricature rather than someone making a reasonable request. With that combination of outrage at the cruelty to animals and the zeal of someone who is saving the planet, we should invite him to post on this thread. Editor's gone quiet recently.
 
Spymaster said:
I think those people were extraordinarily patient with him.

Vince needs to get fucked :D
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Warning the neighbor each time they grill a hamburger is a lot to ask. ButI, I understand the vegan’s repulsion at the sight and smell of roasted flesh . As stated, compromise and consideration are the keys here…
 
I can believe that's real, I've met vegans that act like that (a minority to be fair). Neighbours can be difficult and odd for all sorts of petty reasons. The family that live at No 5 next doors are great but the couple that preceded them, the wife was a right weirdo. She regularly used to complain about us locking our gate because it meant she couldn't come into our garden to get her cat. It's a fucking cat it will go wherever it wants, trying to control its movements are idiotic. Mrs Q told her to do one when she demanded a key.
I thought the barbecuers were far more tolerant than they had any need to be. The threat to call the police was funny, one are that they going to do report people for having a barbecue in their own garden? If Plod does come they can have a burger but tell them to bring some beer with them.
 
New report published today urging the UK to end its reliance on imported soy for chicken and pig feed, which is fuelling deforestation in the global south.



The report claims that to feed chickens and pigs on home-grown proteins would mean reducing our poultry intake by 86 per cent and pork by 82 per cent. (no on-online access to the report yet but I wonder if this figure takes into account imported chicken and pork products?)

www.bbc.co.uk

Farming Today - 19/06/2023 Soy in animal feed, Grading wool, Sheep - BBC Sounds

Calls for farmers to grow more protein crops and reduce amount of imported soy in feed.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

As much as I'd like to see this campaign succeed it's clearly utopian to think that either commercial farmers or the government will be interested in seeing such a drastic reduction in domestic supply of chicken and pork products when there is high demand for them. The only viable hope for combating the environmental rape and pillaging of the animal agribusiness industries is the technological development of sustainable alt-proteins to totally obliterate all demand for conventional animal products.
 
Great to have the BBQ and the smoker back working. It's lovely cooking outside on the open coals like our forefathers did.
 
Chickens were “crushed to death” and “run over” by machinery on a farm which supplies British supermarkets, new footage shows.

Some of the birds were still alive left with severe injuries, while one can be seen crawling on the floor with broken legs, the film appears to show. Another lies gasping with an open wound exposing their internal organs, footage shows.

Employee Tom Herok gave his footage from the Lincolnshire farm, which supplies Two Sisters, to animal welfare organisation Open Cages. The chicken is sold in Asda, Aldi, Co-op and Tesco.

Tom claims working at the farm for five months last year was “one of the worst experiences” of his life, adding: “These animals are suffering but retailers are hiding the truth.”

www.mirror.co.uk

Chickens 'crushed to death by machinery' on farm supplying British supermarkets

WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES: A farm supplying chicken meat to British supermarkets Asda, Co-Op, Aldi and Tesco suffered severe injuries as a whistleblower claimed "retailers are hiding the truth" from the public
www.mirror.co.uk www.mirror.co.uk
 
I think (and pray and hope) this is the beginning of a move away from slaughtering animals for food. One of the few things to be hopeful for right now!

 
Nice cuddly 1950s-style branding. Wholesome.

Part-owned by, among others, a variety of venture capitalists and some of the nastiest big agribusinesses in the world, who epitomise everything that is wrong with how we currently farm: the likes of Tyson Foods and Cargill (described in 2019 as 'the worst company in the world')

The people who have been sickened or died from eating contaminated Cargill meat, the child laborers who grow the cocoa Cargill sells for the world’s chocolate, the Midwesterners who drink water polluted by Cargill, the Indigenous People displaced by vast deforestation to make way for Cargill’s animal feed, and the ordinary consumers who’ve paid more to put food on the dinner table because of Cargill’s financial malfeasance — all have felt the impact of this agribusiness giant. Their lives are worse for having come into contact with Cargill.
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http://www.mightyearth.org/wp-conte...-The-Worst-Company-in-the-World-July-2019.pdf

These are the people you're cheering on.
 
Well, I’d prefer it if people ate lentils and tofu instead (and I won’t be eating this stuff) but us vegans have been asking for that for decades and most meat-eaters won’t work play ball. So this will have to do.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
Nice cuddly 1950s-style branding. Wholesome.

Part-owned by, among others, a variety of venture capitalists and some of the nastiest big agribusinesses in the world, who epitomise everything that is wrong with how we currently farm: the likes of Tyson Foods and Cargill (described in 2019 as 'the worst company in the world')



http://www.mightyearth.org/wp-conte...-The-Worst-Company-in-the-World-July-2019.pdf

These are the people you're cheering on.
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You mean Cargill, the largest company on the globe and massive meat processor? Surely not that Cargill........
 
Largest privately owned company in the world. And not being publicly listed, it is legally allowed to remain rather opaque about a lot of what it does. If you look at what it is known to do, it is basically a whole stream of shit, including the worst-welfare meat farming imaginable. Animal cruelty, deforestation, environmental degradation, exploitation of workers and consumers. You name it, Cargill is arse-deep in it and actively spreading it around as much of the globe as it can.

It is interesting how these major-evil corporations really don't like to advertise themselves. They'll advertise UPSIDE Foods of course. But you won't find their name anywhere near the marketing. They don't want people to know who they are or what they do.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
Largest privately owned company in the world. And not being publicly listed, it is legally allowed to remain rather opaque about a lot of what it does. If you look at what it is known to do, it is basically a whole stream of shit, including the worst-welfare meat farming imaginable. Animal cruelty, deforestation, environmental degradation, exploitation of workers and consumers. You name it, Cargill is arse-deep in it and actively spreading it around as much of the globe as it can.

It is interesting how these major-evil corporations really don't like to advertise themselves. They'll advertise UPSIDE Foods of course. But you won't find their name anywhere near the marketing. They don't want people to know who they are or what they do.
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I've discussed both Cargill and ABP investing heavily in this sort of thing numerous times in the thread, also within the context of the meat industry being incredibly diverse from smallholders to huge global corporations.

Its almost like certain people can't be arsed to read the discussion and just want to try and present inane "gotchas".

Indeed, the chickens in Jeffs earlier post could just as easily have been being produced for Cargills, I doubt Avara (who are now effectively owned by Cargill) are much different in their practices to 2 sisters.
 
Yes you have discussed it before. It's not hard to find this stuff out. I found out Cargill were an early investor in UPSIDE Foods with a very quick google. But yes, you have to want to find out.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
Largest privately owned company in the world. And not being publicly listed, it is legally allowed to remain rather opaque about a lot of what it does. If you look at what it is known to do, it is basically a whole stream of shit, including the worst-welfare meat farming imaginable. Animal cruelty, deforestation, environmental degradation, exploitation of workers and consumers. You name it, Cargill is arse-deep in it and actively spreading it around as much of the globe as it can.

It is interesting how these major-evil corporations really don't like to advertise themselves. They'll advertise UPSIDE Foods of course. But you won't find their name anywhere near the marketing. They don't want people to know who they are or what they do.
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Yeah but if people won't eat lentils.....y'know.........
 
friedaweed said:
Dream on. Or should I say keep praying 🙏
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There are still uncertainties around the scalability and affordability of non-slaughter meats in the longer run. Certainly in the short term they will be too scarce and expensive to make any meaningful difference. I'm not banking on them. But, as far as I can tell for the foreseeable future, non-slaughter meats still represent one of the most likely alternatives to humanity's present torture and extermination of trillions of sentient beings every year. Given how morally depraved the present human-animal relationship is - and that about 99% of humans are totally indifferent to animal suffering whenever it serves their personal interests - I'm at a loss for what else could be done.
 
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