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Bye bye MEAT! How will the post-meat future look?

How reluctant are you to give up your meat habit?

  • I’m already veggie or vegan as any right thinking person should be!

    Votes: 49 25.0%

  • I can take it or leave it, I won’t miss meat

    Votes: 31 15.8%

  • I’d give up meat if I could think what else to cook, but I can’t

    Votes: 7 3.6%

  • I’m reluctant to change, but I accept the need

    Votes: 34 17.3%

  • It’s unimaginable that I won’t have meat in most / all meals - I’ll probably starve

    Votes: 8 4.1%

  • Fuck the planet, I’ll be eating meat till I die or the planet explodes

    Votes: 6 3.1%

  • Poll fail, answer below

    Votes: 15 7.7%

  • Don’t believe the hype - meat will be available forever, nothing much will change

    Votes: 46 23.5%
  • Total voters
    196
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butcher said:
Your profile is anonymous and you bollock anyone who dares to allude to even your Christian name although you are happy to mention it publicly yourself. Still that is the perk of moderating your own organ I suppose, rules to suit.
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What the fuck are you on about?

The rules about using real names - an issue I haven't brought up here - are the same for all posters. Maybe you should look up what 'ad hominem' means.
 
The whole thread is crap because it is ostensibly about climate change but the underlying morality is actually antagonism towards killing animals. Now, there’s nothing problematic in having antagonism towards killing animals. But when that is the moral foundation, to argue from a climate change framework creates bad faith. If there is one thing that humanity’s giant balls-up of ecological custodianship should have taught us, it’s that you should be very, very, very careful about introducing massive shocks to the system. For humans to abandon meat eating overnight would place completely unpredictable stresses on the ecological system. We have no idea what kind of unplanned perturbations it would create. So if your primary interest is ecology, you wouldn’t be arguing for an immediate end to meat eating. You’d be arguing for more ecologically friendly farming practices, more research into these effects and a gradual reduction of those elements producing GHG across the system as a whole.
 
redsquirrel said:
I disagree with Jeff on quite a bit but can people drop the vegan cult brainwashing crap. It is shit. on all sorts of levels and simply disrupts and interesting bits of this thread
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Ah, come on! In what way is the stuff being thrown at Jeff, more disruptive than his own “psycho, animal sexual abusing, torturing, murderers” schtik?

All of the interesting stuff on the thread is being posted by Funky Monks, and LBJ. It’s Jeff and one or two others disrupting it with unhinged rants and cut and paste bombs.
 
kabbes said:
The whole thread is crap because it is ostensibly about climate change but the underlying morality is actually antagonism towards killing animals. Now, there’s nothing problematic in having antagonism towards killing animals. But when that is the moral foundation, to argue from a climate change framework creates bad faith. If there is one thing that humanity’s giant balls-up of ecological custodianship should have taught us, it’s that you should be very, very, very careful about introducing massive shocks to the system. For humans to abandon meat eating overnight would place completely unpredictable stresses on the ecological system. We have no idea what kind of unplanned perturbations it would create. So if your primary interest is ecology, you wouldn’t be arguing for an immediate end to meat eating. You’d be arguing for more ecologically friendly farming practices, more research into these effects and a gradual reduction of those elements producing GHG across the system as a whole.
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I've never argued for an immediate end to all meat production* or banning meat completely - I've consistently said that people should eat less meat, which an opinion driven by my personal ideology: it's one backed by science.

www.urban75.net

Search results for query: "eat less meat"

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*Although I wouldn't be upset if it did end
 
And here's a new article that rubbishes the repeated claims from ignorant, meat industry shills that plant based diets are somehow lacking. And it's written by a meat eater. And it's not in The Guardian. And it references multiple studies.

Like many people, I've heard that plant-based diets lead to protein deficiency. I may like eating meat, but I can't stomach disinformation. After diving into the research, what I found surprised me. The Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics makes it clear: "vegetarian, including vegan, diets typically meet or exceed recommended protein intakes." The Academy adds that a well-rounded plant-based diet "supplies enough of all indispensable (essential) amino acids," contrary to the myth that plant-based options lack specific essential amino acids.
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Well, according to senior clinical nutritionist Emily Gelsomin of Harvard's Massachusetts General Hospital, both the Beyond Burger and Impossible Burgers have as much if not more protein than meat. Gelsomin also noted that both meat alternatives contain key vitamins and minerals like Zinc and cobalamin (B12) which are found in meat protein. As for taste—many of these plant-based meats are earning rave reviews, even from those with far more sophisticated pallets than mine.
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According to the American Heart Association (AHA), "eating a nutritious, plant-based diet may lower the risk for heart attacks and other types of cardiovascular disease." A study by researchers from Harvard Medical School and Brigham and Women's Hospital found that eating tofu reduces LDL cholesterol and lowers the risk of a heart attack. In a nation where heart attacks occur every 40 seconds, each of us choosing even occasional plant-based alternatives to red meat probably makes a lot of sense.
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www.commondreams.org

Despite Meat Industry Lies, Plant-Based Diets Are Healthy

The latest report from the United Nations on the direction the environment is heading is the scariest so far. In order to turn things around, the UN recommends—among other things—that each of us eat more plant-based foods. I'm willing to accept that eating plant-based food is good for the...
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redsquirrel said:
But two wrongs don't make a right ...
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When was that ever adhered to on here? :D

I don't think anyone has ever smeared all vegans as cultists. But as with any belief, there are degrees. At the edges you have extremists who act every bit as cultists. Jeff Robinson is most certainly one of those.

His demented ramblings and name calling are hardly a basis for reasoned debate are they?

If you lead with 'you fucking murdering, sexually abusing, cunts', you deserve all you get.
 
redsquirrel said:
That is shit as well. But two wrongs don't make a right smearing vegans as cultists is crap
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Generally I'd agree with you but not on this thread. Just look at Jeffery's post to LBJ up thread. If LBJ was personally accountable for what he's trying to pin on him there'd be a warrant out for his arrest. 😀
 
editor said:
I've never argued for an immediate end to all meat production* or banning meat completely - I've consistently said that people should eat less meat, which an opinion driven by my personal ideology: it's one backed by science.
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You’ve also reacted poorly to posts that have argued for a more sustainable, local meat supply chain, more expensive but eaten less often, such as those sold by butcher

I’m sure that you think you are only arguing for eating less meat, but your actions in practice are not consistent with this
 
Spymaster said:
When was that ever adhered to on here? :D

I don't think anyone has ever smeared all vegans as cultists. But as with any belief, there are degrees. At the edges you have extremists who act every bit as cultists. Jeff Robinson is most certainly one of those.

His demented ramblings and name calling are hardly a basis for reasoned debate are they?

If you lead with 'you fucking murdering, sexually abusing, cunts', you deserve all you get.
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Pretty sure they have but search function not working properly on this thread. It only finds one search result for "vegan" editor
 
editor said:
Works just fine. I get 24 pages of results, although why you expect me to personally deal with any board issues is beyond me when there is a feedback forum set up for that specific purpose.

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Just me then. Thanks.

I don't and only tagged you as you were active on the thread and may have been interested. I would have left it there had butcher not misunderstood why I tagged you.
 
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