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This is the long-planned upgrade of the 30 year-old Redgra pitch. The same one that's been in the Brockwell Park masterplan since the 2007 HLF project and the same one that's identified in the FA Local Football Facility Plan for Lambeth - i.e the national strategy to support grassroots access for under-served inner city audiences that has been much quoted in recent days with respect to improving diversity in the female game. The similar facility recently built in Myatt's Fields is a good comparator.

Although the plans show 50% of the wildflower meadow will go, it's worth noting that the planning application is based upon the principle of Net Biodiversity Gain through other interventions across the park. That seems like a reasonable trade-off - something acknowledged in the conclusions of the Ecological Impact Assessment. Since the wildflower meadow is also fenced off to prevent public access, I presume there has not been the need to make any justification based on loss of amenity value.
 
Maybe have one less luxury block and build a much-needed football pitch there rather than taking a bite out of the park?

Yeah, I know. Dreamland.
 
Well there’s a football pitch already there just it’s shit and doesn’t get used.
Well exactly. It's an upgrade of an existing part of the park, not a bite out of it. The wildflower meadow is nice, but you can't walk on it and it is a very recent arrival. It's been a pragmatic way of dealing with a problem space that has always been difficult to manage. A consequence of the old gardens of Clarence Lodge never being properly integrated after the house was pulled down for the park extension in the 1920s.

Brockwell Park has always been pretty well managed for biodiversity - from the selective mowing of the meadows on the west side, to the breaking up of the old swimming pond for marginal wetland plants, and so on. The wildflower slopes by the Lido are particularly successful, in my view.

But it's a complex space - civic as well as natural - and the sports facilities need investment too. The bowling green is an equally big problem.
 
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Well exactly. It's an upgrade of an existing part of the park, not a bite out of it. The wildflower meadow is nice, but you can't walk on it and it is a very recent arrival. It's been a pragmatic way of dealing with a problem space that has always been difficult to manage. A consequence of the old gardens of Clarence Lodge never being properly integrated after the house was pulled down for the park extension in the 1920s.

Brockwell Park has always been pretty well managed for biodiversity - from the selective mowing of the meadows on the west side, to the breaking up of the old swimming pond for marginal wetland plants, and so on. The wildflower slopes by the Lido are particularly successful, in my view.

But it's a complex space - civic as well as natural - and the sports facilities need investment too. The bowling green is an equally big problem.
I don't remember it being a problem area. I thought it was just selectively mown like the meadow so a little wild. Perhaps a little unusual but I'd often thought of that bit between the BMX and pitch as my favourite party of the park before it was replanted. I think it was chosen as the wildflower meadow location because it was a quiet and out of the way location to place a desired wildflower meadow, rather than a pragmatic solution to a problem area. Only suggestion for the wildflower application is that I'd have preferred an S shaped path through it rather than a straight path alongside it so that you can be more immersed in it - but makes it harder to plough, I guess.

I don't imagine it will be hard to build more wildflower and hedging into the landscaping for the proposed pitch.

I don't much like the idea of it being permanently closed off. The gravel area is probably under used as a utility area - but not unused. It is versatile as a hard flat space for a lot of individual uses - for instance young kids learning to ride bikes, remote control cars, blah blah. Maybe a smaller hardpack area could replace the sadly wrecked bowling green?

At festival time I think they used the gravel area as an approach for the festivals - it would be nice to see how they intend to accommodate this change without occupying yet more of the park.
 
I don't remember it being a problem area. I thought it was just selectively mown like the meadow so a little wild. Perhaps a little unusual but I'd often thought of that bit between the BMX and pitch as my favourite party of the park before it was replanted. I think it was chosen as the wildflower meadow location because it was a quiet and out of the way location to place a desired wildflower meadow, rather than a pragmatic solution to a problem area. Only suggestion for the wildflower application is that I'd have preferred an S shaped path through it rather than a straight path alongside it so that you can be more immersed in it - but makes it harder to plough, I guess.

I don't imagine it will be hard to build more wildflower and hedging into the landscaping for the proposed pitch.

I don't much like the idea of it being permanently closed off. The gravel area is probably under used as a utility area - but not unused. It is versatile as a hard flat space for a lot of individual uses - for instance young kids learning to ride bikes, remote control cars, blah blah. Maybe a smaller hardpack area could replace the sadly wrecked bowling green?

At festival time I think they used the gravel area as an approach for the festivals - it would be nice to see how they intend to accommodate this change without occupying yet more of the park.
I only meant 'problem' in the sense of design integration - not ASB etc. I don't know it's been difficult from that point of view. It's just an odd bit of leftover space with a level change and poor connectivity. The charm this gave it as nice quiet spot to go and chill has been lost now you can't walk into it, as you say.

I love Brockwell Park dearly, but I've always thought that the extension is a bit of a hot mess. A collection of sports facilities randomly placed as the leases on the old houses expired, but still constrained by the positions of their gates and driveways. Must have been deeply weirder in the first 20 years of the last century though, when the Wellcome Trust had a major vivisection lab in the old house that was next to the spot where the Lido stands today.

Cool map here: https://boroughphotos.org/lambeth/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Lambeth02838.jpg
 
I only meant 'problem' in the sense of design integration - not ASB etc. I don't know it's been difficult from that point of view. It's just an odd bit of leftover space with a level change and poor connectivity. The charm this gave it as nice quiet spot to go and chill has been lost now you can't walk into it, as you say.

I love Brockwell Park dearly, but I've always thought that the extension is a bit of a hot mess. A collection of sports facilities randomly placed as the leases on the old houses expired, but still constrained by the positions of their gates and driveways. Must have been deeply weirder in the first 20 years of the last century though, when the Wellcome Trust had a major vivisection lab in the old house that was next to the spot where the Lido stands today.

Cool map here: https://boroughphotos.org/lambeth/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Lambeth02838.jpg

Cool map indeed.
Hot mess could describe much of London to be honest!
 
While in the park this morning I noticed that the footings of the long-lost Brockwell Hall are easily visible in the parched grass next to the old changing pavilion site. I plan to pop back and see if I can make out anything of Clarence House too. Anyone with a drone will get some pretty interesting pics right now.

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It's looking mighty dry!


In photos: Brockwell Park bakes in the heatwave of summer 2022


In photos: Brockwell Park bakes in the heatwave of summer 2022


In photos: Brockwell Park bakes in the heatwave of summer 2022


In photos: Brockwell Park bakes in the heatwave of summer 2022


In photos: Brockwell Park bakes in the heatwave of summer 2022



 
Hi there,

You may be interest to know that Lambeth Council have several other astroturf football pitches in the Borough. There are several in Kenning Park. The ones in Kennington Park were all closed "indefinitely" on 5 August 2021 (over a year ago) because they required extensive work. They are still closed today.

Lambeth also have facilities at Larkhall Park. These are also closed.

From Lambeth's website today:

"Please note: the all-weather pitches at Kennington Park and Larkhall Park are currently out of service and not bookable, pending extensive renovations. We are not able at this time to give an exact date when they will reopen for booking and use. The information on this page will be updated when they are reopened. We apologise for any inconvenience caused."

Lambeth seem to be unable to maintain their existing pitches. Why does Lambeth want to proceed with a controversial proposal which will negatively impact on the wildlife of Brockwell Park when they are not able to maintain the local existing facilities in Kennington Park and Larkhall Park?
 
I am moderately in favour of the proposed pitch. I would very likely use it at some point.

Looking at the site - there's not really enough room for a full-size pitch there though. 🤔 It's hard to see from the plan exactly the size they're proposing, but I reckon it can't be more than 80m long, which is considerably shorter than regulations.
 
Lambeth Parks have won the annual APSE (award for public service excellence) for the best Parks Service in the whole country. Well done
 
The person behind this account’s not impressed.



But not sure much pleases them:


This person sounds like the type who isn't happy with lots of things, and likes to point out that unhappiness, even though no one cares what they think. They are also highly likely to be the type that gets pub and nightclub licenses put in jeopardy. No doubt they look forward to the time of year in early summer when the festivals come to Brockwell Park, so they can complain furiously and they might get some online agreement, which makes all the moaning worth their while for a week or so.
 
The person behind this account’s not impressed.



But not sure much pleases them:



Looking at the Twitter and several people post up photos of maintenance issues in the park.

Which seem relevant to the point made.

My local park (Loughborough park) depends on volunteers to keep it in good shape. Previously it had been not well kept.

The section 106 money for the park was badly managed. So the promised new multi use pitch didn't get built.

It took argument with Council to get locals consulted on this money.

So I think questioning why Lambeth got this award is reasonable.
 
On the now withdrawn application to put in new pitch in Brockwell park. The Football foundation were going to put in the bulk of the money.

The problem with Lambeth is that they don't have good track record in maintaining sports and leisure facilities.

They are good at accessing grants

Parks / leisure centres etc will all be brought under direct Lambeth control next year and I'm concerned that the maintenance of these assets won't happen unless residents lobby council.

It's no good getting grants to build new facilities if long term they aren't looked after properly.
 
Who remembers the aviaries?

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just caught up with this thread. Pretty sure there were a few birds in them when I worked in the one o'clock club in the mid 70s, but not many*.

The aviaries were then empty and unloved for a while (probably years), then I think they went before the little houses were all moved & lined up opposite the ponds, possibly as part of the same renovation. At the moment I can't remember where the houses were before- inside the walled garden perhaps?- but they were laid out as a (rather decrepit) model village as shown in the photo. There were a few moved, 8 or 10?, but they've gradually vanished.


* might have been a couple of chickens as well but tbh I might have the birds mixed up with those in similar cages that were in Battersea Park by the zoo.
 
There’s quite a few Twitter accounts with official looking names relating to the park that turn out to be nothing of the sort. They all have two things in common, objecting to any change of use or anything that involves any noise. Brockwell is there for all of us, it’s multi use and multi purpose and it’s in south London so if you don’t like it, tough
 
The official user group for Brockwell park says application withdrawn for further consultation.

This could mean anything where Lambeth council is concerned.

Could mean they are afraid of lot of objections. That early consultation was the usual piss poor Lambeth style consultation. So "managed" consultation is needed.

From what I've seen officers aren't happy with how things like this are going.

Next year it's all going to be managed in-house.

I see from the Council press releases a new pitch like this will provide income.

Lambeth at present are looking at community groups/ clubs and deciding who they will "partner" with and who from now on they will charge top whack.

Apart from controversy over new pitch I'd be concerned about rates for use of this new facility.

Lambeth want to take over management of all leisure services to help further their Active Lambeth health living goals

This won't happen if rates to use facilities go up for the average user. That is those working but not on high incomes. Not claiming any benefits.

I'm afraid Lambeth will get grants on back of its Active Lambeth policy. But the implementation will exclude people.
 
The planning application for the football pitch was full of errors, errors seemingly made by whatever consultancy company prepared the documentation. I would imagine that they are getting told to redo it properly so they can resubmit something, hence the withdrawal of the application.
 
Some recent pics

In photos: an icy fog over Brockwell Park, Sunday 11th Dec 2022


In photos: an icy fog over Brockwell Park, Sunday 11th Dec 2022


In photos: an icy fog over Brockwell Park, Sunday 11th Dec 2022




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