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also can't see an upmarket restaurant (and "HUB") being too happy about being encased behind the great wall of Brockwell for at least one weekend each summer.
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The Temple, the white building next to the walled garden, is to become a full time yoga studio from this weekend.
https://www.oyogo.co.uk/oyogo-studio
https://www.oyogo.co.uk/oyogo-studio
ricbake
working out how
Apparently still awaiting the planning decision - Brockwell Park MAC and Herne Hill Soc not overly impressed
19/02327/LB | Application for Listed Building Consent for the change of use from D1 to D2 (yoga studio), includes removal of internal partition wall, installation of a door to give internal access to the disabled toilet, and replacement of existing windows bars with non-fixed removal shutters. (Please note: The reference number for this Listed Building Consent application is 19/02327/LB but there is also an associated application for Full Planning Permission related to these works with reference number: 19/02326/FUL) | Brockwell Park, The Garden Temple Dulwich Road London SW2 2YB
(Objects)
Comment submitted date: Fri 30 Aug 2019
This comment is made on behalf of the Brockwell Park MAC.
We are very concerned about the proposal to display a "shop sign" advertising the yoga classes. As with the proposed alterations to the building, there is no specific detail given. It is not clear what the size or the nature of the sign would be.
We would be opposed to anything of significant size and visual impact. The Garden Temple is set in a sensitive area of the park and is clearly visible from Brockwell Hall. A large sign would have a big effect on the vista and on the surroundings of the Temple, especially if brightly coloured.
Anything that was put up to indicate that there were yoga classes inside would have to be of very modest size and be consistent with the Conservation Management Plan for Brockwell Park, agreed with the Heritage Lottery Fund during the landscape restoration.
Comment submitted date: Thu 29 Aug 2019
This comment is made on behalf of the Brockwell Park MAC.
We are concerned that too little detail has been provided in this application about the proposed alterations to the internal layout to enable a judgement to be made as to its suitability for a listed building.
We are opposed to the removal of bars from the Temple, although we would not oppose repainting in "Brockwell Green". The Temple, is a fragile heritage building and prone to attention by vandals. Norwood Lodge, another park building is similar in construction, although not listed, and has suffered significant damage.
There is insufficient detail in the application to judge whether the proposed removable shutters would be suitable for the Temple but we fear that even if the conservation objectives could be met, that the future security of the building would depend upon careful management that could not be guaranteed.
(Objects)
Comment submitted date: Wed 14 Aug 2019
The planning group of the Herne Hill Society wish to OBJECT to this application and the related application 19/02326/FUL for the following reasons:
1. The applications are defective in making alternative proposals, both with regard to the treatment of the windows and the interior. An application needs to make a clearly identifiable proposal, not a number of differing proposals.
2. With particular regard to the proposal to install removeable shutters, there is a complete absence of detail about the type, materials and appearance of the shutters. There is also no explanation of the management arrangements to ensure that any shutters, when removed, would always be replaced securely.
3. We would support, were a valid application to be made, the replacement of bars with removeable metal grilles, subject to appropriate evidence to show that they would offer no reduced degree of security compared to the current bars and that their appearance would not be inimical to the historic character of the building. Illustration of examples of removeable grilles on historic buildings would assist in this regard.
4. It is not clear whether the reference in documents submitted with the applications to a desire to hang a "shop sign" outside either on the back or the front of the building is actually part of the application. If it is, the proposal is again defective for being phrased in the alternative and again no detail is given of size, materials or appearance.
19/02327/LB | Application for Listed Building Consent for the change of use from D1 to D2 (yoga studio), includes removal of internal partition wall, installation of a door to give internal access to the disabled toilet, and replacement of existing windows bars with non-fixed removal shutters. (Please note: The reference number for this Listed Building Consent application is 19/02327/LB but there is also an associated application for Full Planning Permission related to these works with reference number: 19/02326/FUL) | Brockwell Park, The Garden Temple Dulwich Road London SW2 2YB
(Objects)
Comment submitted date: Fri 30 Aug 2019
This comment is made on behalf of the Brockwell Park MAC.
We are very concerned about the proposal to display a "shop sign" advertising the yoga classes. As with the proposed alterations to the building, there is no specific detail given. It is not clear what the size or the nature of the sign would be.
We would be opposed to anything of significant size and visual impact. The Garden Temple is set in a sensitive area of the park and is clearly visible from Brockwell Hall. A large sign would have a big effect on the vista and on the surroundings of the Temple, especially if brightly coloured.
Anything that was put up to indicate that there were yoga classes inside would have to be of very modest size and be consistent with the Conservation Management Plan for Brockwell Park, agreed with the Heritage Lottery Fund during the landscape restoration.
Comment submitted date: Thu 29 Aug 2019
This comment is made on behalf of the Brockwell Park MAC.
We are concerned that too little detail has been provided in this application about the proposed alterations to the internal layout to enable a judgement to be made as to its suitability for a listed building.
We are opposed to the removal of bars from the Temple, although we would not oppose repainting in "Brockwell Green". The Temple, is a fragile heritage building and prone to attention by vandals. Norwood Lodge, another park building is similar in construction, although not listed, and has suffered significant damage.
There is insufficient detail in the application to judge whether the proposed removable shutters would be suitable for the Temple but we fear that even if the conservation objectives could be met, that the future security of the building would depend upon careful management that could not be guaranteed.
(Objects)
Comment submitted date: Wed 14 Aug 2019
The planning group of the Herne Hill Society wish to OBJECT to this application and the related application 19/02326/FUL for the following reasons:
1. The applications are defective in making alternative proposals, both with regard to the treatment of the windows and the interior. An application needs to make a clearly identifiable proposal, not a number of differing proposals.
2. With particular regard to the proposal to install removeable shutters, there is a complete absence of detail about the type, materials and appearance of the shutters. There is also no explanation of the management arrangements to ensure that any shutters, when removed, would always be replaced securely.
3. We would support, were a valid application to be made, the replacement of bars with removeable metal grilles, subject to appropriate evidence to show that they would offer no reduced degree of security compared to the current bars and that their appearance would not be inimical to the historic character of the building. Illustration of examples of removeable grilles on historic buildings would assist in this regard.
4. It is not clear whether the reference in documents submitted with the applications to a desire to hang a "shop sign" outside either on the back or the front of the building is actually part of the application. If it is, the proposal is again defective for being phrased in the alternative and again no detail is given of size, materials or appearance.
gaijingirl
Well-Known Member
gosh - I wonder what that's all about?
eta - followed the trail...
Why police were searching Brockwell Park lake this morning
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hiraethified
Must have been one hell of an offensive weapon.
gaijingirl
Well-Known Member
Definitely some kind of fowl play.
T & P
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Well perhaps they will fin what they’re after.
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hiraethified
It's got to be in that plaice.
editor
hiraethified
Some pics:
www.brixtonbuzz.com
In photos: a winter walk around Brockwell park, south London, January 2020
Yesterday was a gloriously sunny winter’s afternoon, and what better place to spend it than taking a stroll around Brockwell park… Here’s some photos from our permanbulations:
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Geoffers
Little golden birdies
editor
hiraethified
Is this your proposal? If so, fancy writing about it for Brixton Buzz?
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hiraethified
I have to say I'm not sure what reaching "a climactic state of mixed woodland " means though!It is! Erm... yeah! Would be interested in feedback from the forum though. I've put this proposal to Green Party members, Friends of Brockwell Park, Councillors and others over the last 9 months and have succeeded in convincing absolutely no one!
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hiraethified
It’s a fucking barking, selfish idea.
brockwell park is 125 acres - farmland costs 7k an acre - buy 125 acres somewhere else ( the UK has 23 million acres of farmland )
don’t take parks away from city dwellers
If we want to rewild bits of land parks in city’s should be at the bottom of the list not the top.
Alex
RubyToogood
RubyTwobikes
At the very least you could substantially increase the tree cover though I would have thought, without decreasing the area for people to lounge around on that much, create more wooded areas and so on.
It’s a fucking stupid idea that would never workIt is! Erm... yeah! Would be interested in feedback from the forum though. I've put this proposal to Green Party members, Friends of Brockwell Park, Councillors and others over the last 9 months and have succeeded in convincing absolutely no one!
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
In the summer plenty of that space is used by people, they don't just "Stick to the paths"
RubyToogood
RubyTwobikes
That would massively improve the habitat for muggers and flashers.
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hiraethified
Plans for Brockwell Park can be seen on:
Thursday 12th March 2:30 – 4:30
Saturday 14th March 11:30 – 14:30
It's going to be quite swishy.
www.brixtonbuzz.com
Thursday 12th March 2:30 – 4:30
Saturday 14th March 11:30 – 14:30
It's going to be quite swishy.
Brockwell Hall Restoration Project – see the plans for Brockwell Hall, Stables and Coach House
Brockwell Hall, the 200 year old Grade II listed building that forms the centrepiece of Brockwell Park, is now undergoing a £6m restoration, and members of the public are being invited to check out…
www.brixtonbuzz.com
Rushy
basically a scrotum
There's not much info at the exhibition. It's four quite general A4 sheets with bullet points and one person from Lambeth Capital Projects. There are no drawn plans beyond the one used to get the Heritage funding which is very vague. On the one hand there is not really anything to see which makes it hard to comment. On the other there is hopefully the opportunity to input ideas.
I generally support the idea of a venue at the site but strongly feel it must (and can) be achieved whilst leaving the whole ground floor of the main house entirely accessible at all times to the public. You would still be able to build a truly special venue for 150 in the huge works / stables / courtyard area incorporating a new lightweight glazed single story event building. If retained for the public, I don't think the cafe kitchen and counter need to be in their current position - it wastes possibly the most beautiful room of the house. But if not in there the cafe kitchen and counter should be in an immediately adjacent space with direct access to the ground floor. The ground floor of the house should just a be a comfortable area with sofas chairs and tables available to both cafe customers and non customers.
I think there is a risk that the designers will want the majesty and dominant views of those ground floor rooms for the event venue and I think that would be a massive mistake. They are too small for large events and park visitors need to be able to own that little bit of grandeur. It would be horrible if park users were confined to wandering around the outside with a new cafe tucked into a less prominent position. The upper rooms could be run / hired in a similar manner to the Herne Hill Station Hall. Management offices could be in the old servant's wing.
I generally support the idea of a venue at the site but strongly feel it must (and can) be achieved whilst leaving the whole ground floor of the main house entirely accessible at all times to the public. You would still be able to build a truly special venue for 150 in the huge works / stables / courtyard area incorporating a new lightweight glazed single story event building. If retained for the public, I don't think the cafe kitchen and counter need to be in their current position - it wastes possibly the most beautiful room of the house. But if not in there the cafe kitchen and counter should be in an immediately adjacent space with direct access to the ground floor. The ground floor of the house should just a be a comfortable area with sofas chairs and tables available to both cafe customers and non customers.
I think there is a risk that the designers will want the majesty and dominant views of those ground floor rooms for the event venue and I think that would be a massive mistake. They are too small for large events and park visitors need to be able to own that little bit of grandeur. It would be horrible if park users were confined to wandering around the outside with a new cafe tucked into a less prominent position. The upper rooms could be run / hired in a similar manner to the Herne Hill Station Hall. Management offices could be in the old servant's wing.
snowy_again
Slush
The lido is currently covered with a massive tent. Very confusing to look at.
editor
hiraethified
Some photos
www.brixtonbuzz.com
In photos: Brockwell Park before the lockdown – trees, blue skies and shadows, March 2020
Here’s a series of photos taken on a glorious spring afternoon yesterday – just hours before the Prime Minister declared a nationwide lockdown. Despite the restrictions, local residents…
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hiraethified
Some more pics
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Brockwell Park photo feature: dramatic skies and a stunning Spring sunset
With social distancing likely to stay in force for many, many weeks, Lambeth’s parks have never been more needed. Here’s some photos from Brockwell Park taken earlier this week when we …
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