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hiraethified
They were there under false pretences. They were trying to hoodwink people by misrepresenting local opinion and trying to further their own commercial agenda and interests. Do you support this kind of deception then?
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hungry_squirrel
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Oh don't be daft - are you saying that there shouldn't have been any representation from people who wanted to go to the festival? Just because the NIMBY's are particularly vocal, it doesn't mean that there aren't a lot of supporters of the festival.
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hiraethified
I'm all for local people, young and old, expressing their opinion, but this lot weren't honest about their agenda.
And to suggest that young people's mental health will be at risk if a one day commercial event put on by super rich promoters can't go ahead is beyond farcical.
hungry_squirrel
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I don't really think that's fair. The people who don't want the festival at the park have brought every issue that they have with it to the table - is it not fair that the other side do that as well? Perhaps mental health isn't a primary reason for hosting the festival, but it certainly is a worthwhile argument to bring to the table.
Also, you said earlier that Reprazent are hoodwinking people, but again I don't think that is necessarily fair. There has been a strong campaign by Friends of Brockwell Park etc... which has spread the word about about the negative effects of the festival. As far as I know, there isn't a similar group or organisation that has had the chance to speak up on the other side. Why is it a problem for a local radio station for the youth to try to pull something together? That seems perfectly fair to me.
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hiraethified
Oh come on. It's a ridiculous argument. How can an expensive, commercial one-day festival that has only existed on the other side of London have any immediate impact on the mental health of young people in Brixton?
Tricky Skills
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Because the 'young people' - aka Reprazent DJ's - didn't declare their commercial interest ahead of speaking.
I would love a festival exclusively for 'young folk' [it's a patronising term] to take place at Brockwell Park. But it would need to be a size and price structure that reflects the area.
A 5,000 festival over three days, allowing 15,000 Lambeth and Southwark kids in for £10-£15 would be brilliant. Then you get the Reprazent kids in. Allow them to programme the schedule. Get local media students involved in the marketing and social for the event.
Field Day and the corporate Global is not a community festival.
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hiraethified
Piece here on the increasingly advert-laden Canary: The 'unlawful' actions of a Labour council have caused uproar in a local community | The Canary
I support the young people in the borough who I work with every day who support the happening of this festival here, particularly the young women of colour who are thrilled that for once a woman of colour is headlining a festival.
Don't worry it won't affect your house price.
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hiraethified
I support the young people in this borough too. I've recently donated over a £1,000 to local music charities. I don't own a house.
I did not say you did not make support and good for you that is brilliant.
I see it as I see it. A lot of young black women that I know are excited to see the legend Miss Erykah Badu in our borough and a lot of a white "liberal" "democrats" opposing is maybe not a good look. Ignore the race issue but it is there. Friday of field day is a day of black excellence, much needed.
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hiraethified
So you're arguing that it's all about race now? Really?
It is about race. Deny it all you may wish but it is. Why are you opposing a majority black event on the Friday that people of colour in the borough overwhemingly want to attend and a day of black expression and black excellence?
It's ok though, whitey can have the other 364 days a year in lambeth... oh they already do, how lovely!
wurlycurly
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This post is actually racist. Get a grip.
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hiraethified
What is this fictional 'majority black event' you are talking about? Friday's bill is completely mixed with as many white musicians as there are black, and the corporate owners of Field Day have never promoted the Friday as some kind of 'black event.' Why are you making all this cobblers up?
Here's Friday's line up.
Line-up | Field Day Festival | Weekend of Saturday 2nd June 2018
hungry_squirrel
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pocketbear
Active Member
Just to correct a couple of things on this thread: one of the kids at the public meeting has a show on Reprezent, but the others have nothing to do with it. None of them have had any contact with Lovebox as far as I can tell. From working with similar stations to Reprezent, the vast majority of DJs on shows like this are unpaid.
It's also worth noting that there were a number of people who criticised the festivals at the meeting, including Peter from FoBP and Rory from Brockwell Tranquility, who didn't declare those connections or interests when speaking. I think if you're going to demand transparency from people on one side of the debate, you should do the same for everyone.
Both the kids and those opposing the festivals had important points which deserved to be heard. The heckling on both sides was disappointing, but the sheer numbers of the latter group made their behaviour particularly embarrassing in my view, particularly given their parallel argument (which I agree with) that this issue would benefit from more open discussion.
It's also worth noting that there were a number of people who criticised the festivals at the meeting, including Peter from FoBP and Rory from Brockwell Tranquility, who didn't declare those connections or interests when speaking. I think if you're going to demand transparency from people on one side of the debate, you should do the same for everyone.
Both the kids and those opposing the festivals had important points which deserved to be heard. The heckling on both sides was disappointing, but the sheer numbers of the latter group made their behaviour particularly embarrassing in my view, particularly given their parallel argument (which I agree with) that this issue would benefit from more open discussion.
jimbarkanoodle
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The mental health argument was no more ridiculous than the studying for GCSE's argument put forward by those opposing the festivals.
Don’t GCSEs finish in June ?
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
This is offensive rubbish.
I now for a fact that some of the people you are accusing of being nimby's are Council or Social housing tenants. Not well off middle class people.
I am a Council tenant and do a working class job. I've a real problem with our New Labour Council using parks as money generating vehicles.
Plus these events ,as a local Council estate tenants rep said to me recently, are events that exclude a lot of people on her estate as they can't afford the tickets.
And as they can't afford the tickets they are excluded from large sections of the park for long periods. In her view this was a class issue.
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Rushy
basically a scrotum
Park matters seem to be getting a bit feisty in the run up to the elections.
Cllr Jack Holborn is very upset because he wishes to disassociate himself from a fairly clumsy comment made by his ward running partner Jim Dickson. On Twitter, Dickson appeared to imply that whether or not residents accept the council decision about the festival is a matter of maturity.
Holborn argues that a flyer issued by Brockwell Tranquility was ambiguous as to which of them had made the patronising gaff. Cllr Holborn - who is a barrister in his parallel life - fired off an email from his barristers chambers address complaining that linking him with Jim Dickson's opinion piece is defamatory and threatening to sue.
In a bizarre next step the angry councillor somehow concluded that an appropriate course of action would be to email a female member of Brockwell Tranquility to accuse her of "collaboration" with political groups. He then let her know that he knows where she lives and that he has observed who she has been talking to on her doorstep.
Unable to get legal advice over the weekend, Brockwell Tranquility removed the flyer from the FB site this evening in an attempt to placate the feisty councillor. Of course the discussion on the site has now turned to whether his behavior befits anyone in either of the privileged roles of councillor or barrister.
Cllr Jack Holborn is very upset because he wishes to disassociate himself from a fairly clumsy comment made by his ward running partner Jim Dickson. On Twitter, Dickson appeared to imply that whether or not residents accept the council decision about the festival is a matter of maturity.
Holborn argues that a flyer issued by Brockwell Tranquility was ambiguous as to which of them had made the patronising gaff. Cllr Holborn - who is a barrister in his parallel life - fired off an email from his barristers chambers address complaining that linking him with Jim Dickson's opinion piece is defamatory and threatening to sue.
In a bizarre next step the angry councillor somehow concluded that an appropriate course of action would be to email a female member of Brockwell Tranquility to accuse her of "collaboration" with political groups. He then let her know that he knows where she lives and that he has observed who she has been talking to on her doorstep.
Unable to get legal advice over the weekend, Brockwell Tranquility removed the flyer from the FB site this evening in an attempt to placate the feisty councillor. Of course the discussion on the site has now turned to whether his behavior befits anyone in either of the privileged roles of councillor or barrister.
happyshopper
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It’s possible to simultaneously hold the following two views.
First, Brockwell Park is for everyone, including those who want to enjoy music events.
Secondly, the proposed event being discussed here is too big and invasive.
First, Brockwell Park is for everyone, including those who want to enjoy music events.
Secondly, the proposed event being discussed here is too big and invasive.
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snowy_again
Slush
Not seen these advertised elsewhere:
"Field Day & Mighty Hoopla Festival are holding two final public information sessions from 10.00am-1.00pm and 6.00pn-9.00pm next Wednesday 9th May at 198 Contemporary Arts & Learning, 198 Railton Road, SE24 0JT. The format of these sessions will be an exhibition style with panels of information on finalised plans for local residents and businesses to visit at any point during those times and raise any queries or concerns. If anyone would like further information beforehand please contact Kelly on kelly@fielddayfestivals.com."
"Field Day & Mighty Hoopla Festival are holding two final public information sessions from 10.00am-1.00pm and 6.00pn-9.00pm next Wednesday 9th May at 198 Contemporary Arts & Learning, 198 Railton Road, SE24 0JT. The format of these sessions will be an exhibition style with panels of information on finalised plans for local residents and businesses to visit at any point during those times and raise any queries or concerns. If anyone would like further information beforehand please contact Kelly on kelly@fielddayfestivals.com."
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hiraethified
You'd almost think they're trying to sneak it through!
I'm written to them to ask for more info.
Rushy
basically a scrotum
Where did you find that?
snowy_again
Slush
on the HHF
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